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For me the choice was XR vs 8+.

As I don’t have the laser eyesight that MacRumors members seem to have, the XS screen doesn’t impress me. (Someone said earlier the colours on the XR will be way off. Really?) And the bezels on the XR are bigger. What — by a fraction of a millimetre?

Besides, none of the XS colours appeal to me.

So I was set on an XR. But as they’re not available I started thinking about the 8+. It has the twin cameras. I prefer Touch ID. It’s available in Product Red. And it’s the same price as the XR. Bezels and OLED mean nothing to me.

What’s that? Slower processor? Are there people shouting at their 8’s yelling “hurry up!”
 
For me the choice was XR vs 8+.

As I don’t have the laser eyesight that MacRumors members seem to have, the XS screen doesn’t impress me. (Someone said earlier the colours on the XR will be way off. Really?) And the bezels on the XR are bigger. What — by a fraction of a millimetre?

Besides, none of the XS colours appeal to me.

So I was set on an XR. But as they’re not available I started thinking about the 8+. It has the twin cameras. I prefer Touch ID. It’s available in Product Red. And it’s the same price as the XR. Bezels and OLED mean nothing to me.

What’s that? Slower processor? Are there people shouting at their 8’s yelling “hurry up!”
The XR colours will NOT be way off. The blacks in the dark will be better on the OLED with true black, and infinite contrast ratio, vs. 1400:1 contrast ratio on the XR, but otherwise that has nothing to do with colour accuracy.

In a bright environment though, both will look great. See my mini-review in the post just before yours. In fact, in the one X and 7 Plus I tested, I preferred the colour balance of the 7 Plus, but that's probably because of individual unit variation.
 
For me the choice was XR vs 8+.

As I don’t have the laser eyesight that MacRumors members seem to have, the XS screen doesn’t impress me. (Someone said earlier the colours on the XR will be way off. Really?) And the bezels on the XR are bigger. What — by a fraction of a millimetre?

Besides, none of the XS colours appeal to me.

So I was set on an XR. But as they’re not available I started thinking about the 8+. It has the twin cameras. I prefer Touch ID. It’s available in Product Red. And it’s the same price as the XR. Bezels and OLED mean nothing to me.

What’s that? Slower processor? Are there people shouting at their 8’s yelling “hurry up!”

I have an X, thinking of changing to an XR but the iPhone 8 Plus red seems like the best buy. Touch ID, better screen and 2x optical zoom compared to the XR.
 
Along with the mentioned spec difference in certain areas, On YouTube the two look obviously similar but i think when people see these for themselves there will be a difference, the Xs will have a more premium look where the Xr might look a bit tacky in comparison, this might be the deciding factor for most as the iPhone is a fashion statement for some now.
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Huh?

Decent steak ~$80
Drinkable wine ~$100 btl
30% tip
~$230 cad before tax without appetizers or desserts.

That’s just for dinner.
That steak had better be nice
 
For me it's OLED, the dual camera (FINALLY with stereo audio recording in video) and the XR is too big for me. Even the 5.8 on the XS is a bit of stretch for me. If the XS was the same physical size as the current iPhone 8 it would be the perfect phone for me.
 
Will the 4GB RAM on the XS/XS Max vs only 3GB RAM on the XR make a difference in real world usage?
 
I was convinced pre-keynote that the XS would get better Face ID and the XR would not. That isn't the case.

I believe the XR will absolutely eat into XS sales. The XS Max will sell for size alone.
Nails it IMO
[doublepost=1537153639][/doublepost]Supply? Seems Xr being held off to not cannibalize other new phones.
 
So, I had an hour to kill and went to the local Apple Store to test out the X, 7 Plus, 7, and SE, all side by side.

First off, I confirmed that Zoom Display mode just doesn’t exist for the X. The salesperson beside me was quite surprised to learn that, and was going through all the settings for several minutes before confirming that too. Second, my local Apple Store had significant stock left over of the X. The price was CAD$140 or something like that off, meaning about a US$100 discount. Also, as expected, I was told the XR will not be available for display until October's official launch.

For text quality at about ~12” distance, if I just used the 7 alone, it seemed fine with both Standard and Zoomed Display modes. However, when I placed the 7 next to the 7 Plus and X and looked for it I could see a mild softening of edges of some small text on the 7. I've mentioned this before that it can be hard to see at normal viewing distances, but nonetheless it is there and of course it becomes easier to see when you're specifically looking for it or you view it from up close. I’m pretty sure the XR will look like the 7 in this regard.

Then my attention turned to the X vs 7 Plus. For text clarity they were the same, but there was no proper Zoomed Display mode on the X which may make it a non-starter for some with presbyopia. (Everyone, if you don't have it now, there is a good chance you might get a bit of it by age 45 or so. It's just a normal change as your eyes age.) Also, it would appear that the colour calibration between the two models in that store was different, and yes I turned TruTone off. I preferred the tonal balance of the 7 Plus.

In that super bright store, it was impossible to assess true blacks properly. Blacks on both with the Wonder Woman trailer’s end credits simply looked great. I was very pleased with the blacks of the 7 Plus despite the fact I knew it should look way worse. (I have an OLED TV.) I’m sure if we had a dark room it’d be easy to differentiate the two but that environment was not available in an Apple Store. I'd probably have to swipe the phones and go hide in a closet to do proper testing of the black levels. I didn't. ;)

For the camera, I really only tested Portrait Mode. To my disappointment, the X suffered the exact same problems as the iPhone 7 Plus in Portrait Mode. For the fake bokeh, the phones determine the edge of the foreground subject and then blur everything else around it. Unfortunately, quite frequently the 7 Plus "misses" and either blurs a thin rim of the subject, or even worse, very occasionally in a few cases on my 7 Plus it focally would keep a thin rim of background adjacent to the subject in focus, as if the subject had a super thin personal shield around it. You often won't notice this on a phone screen unless you're specifically looking for it, or if you zoom in on the picture, but it becomes obvious in some cases if you make prints, like a 4x6 or 5x7 photo print. If you take enough shots or use different conditions, you will get pictures that minimize this error, but it's really trial and error. And my trial of the iPhone X gave me the exact same issues. No discernible improvement in Portrait Mode over the 7 Plus, although I'll admit my testing was pretty limited. However, even so, I figured that if I'm seeing the exact same problem on even the very first shot I took, the Portrait Mode algorithm probably just hasn't been improved that much on the X. The Neural Engine has been vastly improved in the XS, and it is used for photos, so we'll see if the XS, Max, and XR improve this. I'm thinking for the bokeh, the slider is cool, but in the end I probably won't use it all that much. I have purchased several camera control apps for my various iPhones, and they are almost never used.

These are some of my main points and some additional comments:

1) If you're coming from a 4, 4S, 5, 5C, 5S, SE, 6, 6s, 7, or 8 and think these phones look good for text, you'll be totally fine with the XR. As been reiterated again and again, screen size is irrelevant here. It's the pixel density that matters.
2) If you're coming from a 6 Plus, 7 Plus, 8 Plus, or X, you might be fine with the XR too but if you're a stickler for perfection in text display and have very good eyesight, or if you like to look at your phone up close, you may want to go with a Plus, XS, or XS Max.
3) Despite all the hooplah about new cameras each year, features like Portrait Mode that debuted years ago still have not been perfected in the X. The jury is out on the XS, Max, and XR, but my guess is they will still have problems. But I hold out hope the new Neural Engine maybe does improve things. Another reason to wait though.
4) In bright light I saw no advantage at all for the OLED screen. The Plus screen looked at least as good. This would likely not be true in the dark though.

IOW, my 2 year-old iPhone 7 Plus did very, very well against the X overall. I'd say the main problem with the 7 Plus are the forehead and thus lots of wasted space on the 7 Plus. However, I still liked having TouchID. What this means I've lost excitement in the Max, and given that I already have top notch text quality, I'm not really in need of an XR either. In the end, I'm still not really sure what I'll do, except wait. I may just hang onto my 7 Plus again, maybe. My wife really wants a new phone though to replace her 6s which has had a few issues, and she's perfectly happy with the text quality on that phone, so maybe I'll just get the XR for her, although in truth, a 7 Plus would be fine for her too.

Pricing in Canada of the various 414 point wide phones with more than 64 GB is as follows:

CAD$929: 7 Plus 128 GB
CAD$1159: 8 Plus 256 GB (There is no 128 GB model.) <--- This is more than the XR.
CAD$1099: XR 128 GB
CAD$1729: XS Max 256 GB (There is no 128 GB model.) <--- Seriously, WTF?!?

It seems the best bang for buck here for my wife is the XR 128 GB.

Excellent post!!!!
 
So, I had an hour to kill and went to the local Apple Store to test out the X, 7 Plus, 7, and SE, all side by side.

First off, I confirmed that Zoom Display mode just doesn’t exist for the X. The salesperson beside me was quite surprised to learn that, and was going through all the settings for several minutes before confirming that too. Second, my local Apple Store had significant stock left over of the X. The price was CAD$140 or something like that off, meaning about a US$100 discount. Also, as expected, I was told the XR will not be available for display until October's official launch.

For text quality at about ~12” distance, if I just used the 7 alone, it seemed fine with both Standard and Zoomed Display modes. However, when I placed the 7 next to the 7 Plus and X and looked for it I could see a mild softening of edges of some small text on the 7. I've mentioned this before that it can be hard to see at normal viewing distances, but nonetheless it is there and of course it becomes easier to see when you're specifically looking for it or you view it from up close. I’m pretty sure the XR will look like the 7 in this regard.

Then my attention turned to the X vs 7 Plus. For text clarity they were the same, but there was no proper Zoomed Display mode on the X which may make it a non-starter for some with presbyopia. (Everyone, if you don't have it now, there is a good chance you might get a bit of it by age 45 or so. It's just a normal change as your eyes age.) Also, it would appear that the colour calibration between the two models in that store was different, and yes I turned TruTone off. I preferred the tonal balance of the 7 Plus.

In that super bright store, it was impossible to assess true blacks properly. Blacks on both with the Wonder Woman trailer’s end credits simply looked great. I was very pleased with the blacks of the 7 Plus despite the fact I knew it should look way worse. (I have an OLED TV.) I’m sure if we had a dark room it’d be easy to differentiate the two but that environment was not available in an Apple Store. I'd probably have to swipe the phones and go hide in a closet to do proper testing of the black levels. I didn't. ;)

For the camera, I really only tested Portrait Mode. To my disappointment, the X suffered the exact same problems as the iPhone 7 Plus in Portrait Mode. For the fake bokeh, the phones determine the edge of the foreground subject and then blur everything else around it. Unfortunately, quite frequently the 7 Plus "misses" and either blurs a thin rim of the subject, or even worse, very occasionally in a few cases on my 7 Plus it focally would keep a thin rim of background adjacent to the subject in focus, as if the subject had a super thin personal shield around it. You often won't notice this on a phone screen unless you're specifically looking for it, or if you zoom in on the picture, but it becomes obvious in some cases if you make prints, like a 4x6 or 5x7 photo print. If you take enough shots or use different conditions, you will get pictures that minimize this error, but it's really trial and error. And my trial of the iPhone X gave me the exact same issues. No discernible improvement in Portrait Mode over the 7 Plus, although I'll admit my testing was pretty limited. However, even so, I figured that if I'm seeing the exact same problem on even the very first shot I took, the Portrait Mode algorithm probably just hasn't been improved that much on the X. The Neural Engine has been vastly improved in the XS, and it is used for photos, so we'll see if the XS, Max, and XR improve this. I'm thinking for the bokeh, the slider is cool, but in the end I probably won't use it all that much. I have purchased several camera control apps for my various iPhones, and they are almost never used.

These are some of my main points and some additional comments:

1) If you're coming from a 4, 4S, 5, 5C, 5S, SE, 6, 6s, 7, or 8 and think these phones look good for text, you'll be totally fine with the XR. As been reiterated again and again, screen size is irrelevant here. It's the pixel density that matters.
2) If you're coming from a 6 Plus, 7 Plus, 8 Plus, or X, you might be fine with the XR too but if you're a stickler for perfection in text display and have very good eyesight, or if you like to look at your phone up close, you may want to go with a Plus, XS, or XS Max.
3) Despite all the hooplah about new cameras each year, features like Portrait Mode that debuted years ago still have not been perfected in the X. The jury is out on the XS, Max, and XR, but my guess is they will still have problems. But I hold out hope the new Neural Engine maybe does improve things. Another reason to wait though.
4) In bright light I saw no advantage at all for the OLED screen. The Plus screen looked at least as good. This would likely not be true in the dark though.

IOW, my 2 year-old iPhone 7 Plus did very, very well against the X overall. I'd say the main problem with the 7 Plus are the forehead and thus lots of wasted space on the 7 Plus. However, I still liked having TouchID. What this means I've lost excitement in the Max, and given that I already have top notch text quality, I'm not really in need of an XR either. In the end, I'm still not really sure what I'll do, except wait. I may just hang onto my 7 Plus again, maybe. My wife really wants a new phone though to replace her 6s which has had a few issues, and she's perfectly happy with the text quality on that phone, so maybe I'll just get the XR for her, although in truth, a 7 Plus would be fine for her too.

Pricing in Canada of the various 414 point wide phones with more than 64 GB is as follows:

CAD$929: 7 Plus 128 GB
CAD$1159: 8 Plus 256 GB (There is no 128 GB model.) <--- This is more than the XR.
CAD$1099: XR 128 GB
CAD$1729: XS Max 256 GB (There is no 128 GB model.) <--- Seriously, WTF?!?

It seems the best bang for buck here for my wife is the XR 128 GB.
Hmmm.... Maybe this is the reason I didn’t like the OLED as much.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/31/review-the-iphone-x-goes-to-disneyland/

axis.jpg


I was looking at the screen a little off axis and it had this strange yellow tinge compared to the 7 Plus. It looked just like the above picture.

With normal viewing distances I could not see OLED affecting text clarity. However here is the quality difference for pixel peepers.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2017/11/02/iphone-x-oled-pixel-layout/

iPhone-X-PenTile-pixel-layout-on-the-right-iMore-001.jpg


It looks worse than the Plus by the pix are not the same size so it’s hard to compare, and it’s not text.

We know that the subpixel density of the red and blue pixels of OLED Pentile on the iPhone is much lower than the green’s 458 but the number given is 324 for red and blue. Could someone take me through the math for that? Last time I calculated overall pixel density, I believe it was 372 although that is just adding all the pixels together and taking an average.

I know this is rehashing last year’s discussion but nonetheless it’s interesting to me now that there is actually a Max to consider.
 
I chose XS and not XR for this reasons :

- I prefer the OLED screen. LCD from apple are good but the constrat of OLED is a big plus for me (always hope a dark mode in iOS...)
- Dual camera, not for the camera itself but I use really often the X2 optical zoom and cannot imagine not having it now
- 3D touch , I use every day in Safari for page preview, on some app icon for shortcut etc... usefull tech for me also some uses in Apple music
 
Because other than the initial release back in 2007, I have never ordered, or bought, the initial release of any phone. I have always waited for a new release then bought the previous phone when the price dropped. I figured at my age, it was time to enjoy the hype around a truly new phone so bought an Xs. Why not an Xr? it's the stepchild to the Xs/Xs max. Didn't by the Max since I don't want a phone that big, that left the Xs.
 
I feel like some posts here are really aggressive on justifying a purchase of an XR to be better off than an XS. Sticking with a narrative that it's not smart to buy an XS when you have the XR with 90% of the feature set (figuratively speaking). Here's my take on the initial question posed by this post:

The XR is clearly the iPhone that Apple created to be the most popular one, cheaper than the XS & XS Max. Its feature set is extremely similar, the phone is competitively priced and has colors! When someone walks into an Apple Store with the mindset of buying a new phone there's no question the average consumer is going to look towards & probably buy an XR.

Then there's those who want a bigger screen, they'll buy the XS Max.

Then there's those who want the best features, a smaller form factor (probably mostly tech savvy people, ones interested in having the best possible camera setup, OLED, etc) and think that the extra $250 is worth it to them. I'm sure that it's definitely the minority but it's still a valid case nonetheless.

Nonetheless, I'm one of the latter. Probably part of even a smaller minority since I'm going from an X to XS (yearly upgrade).

TLDR: Everyone has an opinion of what's worth it to them and the value they get out of it.
 
I feel like some posts here are really aggressive on justifying a purchase of an XR to be better off than an XS. Sticking with a narrative that it's not smart to buy an XS when you have the XR with 90% of the feature set (figuratively speaking). Here's my take on the initial question posed by this post:

The XR is clearly the iPhone that Apple created to be the most popular one, cheaper than the XS & XS Max. Its feature set is extremely similar, the phone is competitively priced and has colors! When someone walks into an Apple Store with the mindset of buying a new phone there's no question the average consumer is going to look towards & probably buy an XR.

Then there's those who want a bigger screen, they'll buy the XS Max.
For the bigger screen, besides the Max, there are also the Plus and the XR.

Then there's those who want the best features, a smaller form factor (probably mostly tech savvy people, ones interested in having the best possible camera setup, OLED, etc) and think that the extra $250 is worth it to them. I'm sure that it's definitely the minority but it's still a valid case nonetheless.

Nonetheless, I'm one of the latter. Probably part of even a smaller minority since I'm going from an X to XS (yearly upgrade).

TLDR: Everyone has an opinion of what's worth it to them and the value they get out of it.
How modest you are. ;)

Most of the tech savvy people I know aren't even considering the XS this year. They are getting the Max this year. They got the X last year simply because there was no Max option.

But a tech savvy person should also acknowledge that in terms of screen real estate, both the XR and the Max have much more than the XS, both with the two-column landscape view in Mail etc, and both with Zoomed Display support. The XS has neither.

It's fine to like the X or XS or whatever, but besides size they have other somewhat arbitrary limitations that the tech savvy should be aware of and that they should point out to the non-tech savvy.
 
Most of the tech savvy people I know aren't even considering the XS this year. They are getting the Max this year. They got the X last year simply because there was no Max option.

Maybe I should have left out that adjective, but sure everyone knows different people.

But a tech savvy person should also acknowledge that in terms of screen real estate, both the XR and the Max have much more than the XS, both with the two-column landscape view in Mail etc, and both with Zoomed Display support. The XS has neither.

Fair point. I believe the XS Max and XR fit the same amount on the screen. Though it's worth noting that XS Max is at 3X and XR is at 2X due to lower PPI (720p).

It's fine to like the X or XS or whatever, but besides size they have other somewhat arbitrary limitations that the tech savvy should be aware of and that they should point out to the non-tech savvy.

Agreed, my post was a bit simple regarding comparison.
 
So, I had an hour to kill and went to the local Apple Store to test out the X, 7 Plus, 7, and SE, all side by side.

First off, I confirmed that Zoom Display mode just doesn’t exist for the X. The salesperson beside me was quite surprised to learn that, and was going through all the settings for several minutes before confirming that too. Second, my local Apple Store had significant stock left over of the X. The price was CAD$140 or something like that off, meaning about a US$100 discount. Also, as expected, I was told the XR will not be available for display until October's official launch.

For text quality at about ~12” distance, if I just used the 7 alone, it seemed fine with both Standard and Zoomed Display modes. However, when I placed the 7 next to the 7 Plus and X and looked for it I could see a mild softening of edges of some small text on the 7. I've mentioned this before that it can be hard to see at normal viewing distances, but nonetheless it is there and of course it becomes easier to see when you're specifically looking for it or you view it from up close. I’m pretty sure the XR will look like the 7 in this regard.

Then my attention turned to the X vs 7 Plus. For text clarity they were the same, but there was no proper Zoomed Display mode on the X which may make it a non-starter for some with presbyopia. (Everyone, if you don't have it now, there is a good chance you might get a bit of it by age 45 or so. It's just a normal change as your eyes age.) Also, it would appear that the colour calibration between the two models in that store was different, and yes I turned TruTone off. I preferred the tonal balance of the 7 Plus.

In that super bright store, it was impossible to assess true blacks properly. Blacks on both with the Wonder Woman trailer’s end credits simply looked great. I was very pleased with the blacks of the 7 Plus despite the fact I knew it should look way worse. (I have an OLED TV.) I’m sure if we had a dark room it’d be easy to differentiate the two but that environment was not available in an Apple Store. I'd probably have to swipe the phones and go hide in a closet to do proper testing of the black levels. I didn't. ;)

For the camera, I really only tested Portrait Mode. To my disappointment, the X suffered the exact same problems as the iPhone 7 Plus in Portrait Mode. For the fake bokeh, the phones determine the edge of the foreground subject and then blur everything else around it. Unfortunately, quite frequently the 7 Plus "misses" and either blurs a thin rim of the subject, or even worse, very occasionally in a few cases on my 7 Plus it focally would keep a thin rim of background adjacent to the subject in focus, as if the subject had a super thin personal shield around it. You often won't notice this on a phone screen unless you're specifically looking for it, or if you zoom in on the picture, but it becomes obvious in some cases if you make prints, like a 4x6 or 5x7 photo print. If you take enough shots or use different conditions, you will get pictures that minimize this error, but it's really trial and error. And my trial of the iPhone X gave me the exact same issues. No discernible improvement in Portrait Mode over the 7 Plus, although I'll admit my testing was pretty limited. However, even so, I figured that if I'm seeing the exact same problem on even the very first shot I took, the Portrait Mode algorithm probably just hasn't been improved that much on the X. The Neural Engine has been vastly improved in the XS, and it is used for photos, so we'll see if the XS, Max, and XR improve this. I'm thinking for the bokeh, the slider is cool, but in the end I probably won't use it all that much. I have purchased several camera control apps for my various iPhones, and they are almost never used.

These are some of my main points and some additional comments:

1) If you're coming from a 4, 4S, 5, 5C, 5S, SE, 6, 6s, 7, or 8 and think these phones look good for text, you'll be totally fine with the XR. As been reiterated again and again, screen size is irrelevant here. It's the pixel density that matters.
2) If you're coming from a 6 Plus, 7 Plus, 8 Plus, or X, you might be fine with the XR too but if you're a stickler for perfection in text display and have very good eyesight, or if you like to look at your phone up close, you may want to go with a Plus, XS, or XS Max.
3) Despite all the hooplah about new cameras each year, features like Portrait Mode that debuted years ago still have not been perfected in the X. The jury is out on the XS, Max, and XR, but my guess is they will still have problems. But I hold out hope the new Neural Engine maybe does improve things. Another reason to wait though.
4) In bright light I saw no advantage at all for the OLED screen. The Plus screen looked at least as good. This would likely not be true in the dark though.

IOW, my 2 year-old iPhone 7 Plus did very, very well against the X overall. I'd say the main problem with the 7 Plus are the forehead and thus lots of wasted space on the 7 Plus. However, I still liked having TouchID. What this means I've lost excitement in the Max, and given that I already have top notch text quality, I'm not really in need of an XR either. In the end, I'm still not really sure what I'll do, except wait. I may just hang onto my 7 Plus again, maybe. My wife really wants a new phone though to replace her 6s which has had a few issues, and she's perfectly happy with the text quality on that phone, so maybe I'll just get the XR for her, although in truth, a 7 Plus would be fine for her too.

Pricing in Canada of the various 414 point wide phones with more than 64 GB is as follows:

CAD$929: 7 Plus 128 GB
CAD$1159: 8 Plus 256 GB (There is no 128 GB model.) <--- This is more than the XR.
CAD$1099: XR 128 GB
CAD$1729: XS Max 256 GB (There is no 128 GB model.) <--- Seriously, WTF?!?


It seems the best bang for buck here for my wife is the XR 128 GB.

Great points. My wife is also upgrading this year and really prefers the Plus size. I was looking at (and showing her) the XR and XS Max. Regardless of model I'd go to the next storage option from 64GB (128GB on the XR and 256GB on the XS Max). Kind of surprised that they actually put that reasonable 128GB storage option on the XR for $50 USD.

Including sales tax in Canada these are the two options:

$1242 iPhone XR 128GB
$1954 iPhone XS Max 256GB

That's a $712 difference. I can absolutely appreciate what both phones offer, but at that price difference I would have a hard time justifying the XS Max over the XR.
 
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Great points. My wife is also upgrading this year and really prefers the Plus size. I was looking at (and showing her) the XR and XS Max. Regardless of model I'd go to the next storage option from 64GB (128GB on the XR and 256GB on the XS Max). Kind of surprised that they actually put that reasonable 128GB storage option on the XR for $50 USD.

Including sales tax in Canada these are the two options:

$1242 iPhone XR 128GB
$1954 iPhone XS Max 256GB

That's a $712 difference. I can absolutely appreciate what both phones offer, but at that price difference I would have a hard time justifying the XS Max over the XR.
$225 tax on the $1729 Max 256. I take it you live in Ontario?

That was my exact thinking. Yes the Max is a superior product, but the pricing is just too high for what you get. In fact, $1729 is exactly what I paid for my 12" MacBook Core m3 with 256 GB.

I might have been OK paying something like CAD$1499 for a Max 128 GB though. Maybe next year.
 
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$225 tax on the $1729 Max 256. I take it you live in Ontario?

That was my exact thinking. Yes the Max is a superior product, but the pricing is just too high for what you get. In fact, $1729 is exactly what I paid for my 12" MacBook Core m3 with 256 GB.

I might have been OK paying something like CAD$1499 for a Max 128 GB though. Maybe next year.

Yup, Ontario. I was thinking the same thing - You can get the 12" MacBook or the 13" MacBook Pro for $1729. Heck, even a 256GB cellular iPad Pro 12.9" is $1399 CAD. Feels kind of nutty where these iPhone prices have gone.
 
Yup, Ontario. I was thinking the same thing - You can get the 12" MacBook or the 13" MacBook Pro for $1729. Heck, even a 256GB cellular iPad Pro 12.9" is $1399 CAD. Feels kind of nutty where these iPhone prices have gone.

it's scale; a lot of 'advanced' tech made small; so it's impressive how much is squeezed into the space of an iphone...

meanwhile, am moving from my beloved but ancient (2 years!) SE, and may go with the XS, just because it's... smaller. am not going to hold my breath for an SE2 (or XE, or whatever...)....
 
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Opted for the XS for all the reasons offered in this thread like the dual camera and display. But the big one for me its not as chunky as the XR. I just don't like the bigger phones. I'm coming from the iphone 7 so really wanted a bump in display quality without having a much larger form factor.
 
Honestly when I had my 8 and got the X in, I compared the screens and almost had to talk myself into believing the OLED screen looked better. From angles, you'd NEVER use the phone in anyhow, it did look a bit more 'bright' and less washed out...other than that....
 
it's scale; a lot of 'advanced' tech made small; so it's impressive how much is squeezed into the space of an iphone...

meanwhile, am moving from my beloved but ancient (2 years!) SE, and may go with the XS, just because it's... smaller. am not going to hold my breath for an SE2 (or XE, or whatever...)....
Well, my iPhone 7 Plus 128 GB cost CAD$1079. And the XR 128 GB we're gonna get, which is smaller than the XS Max, costs CAD$1099. The XS Max 256 GB is CAD$1729, or 57% more.

Honestly when I had my 8 and got the X in, I compared the screens and almost had to talk myself into believing the OLED screen looked better. From angles, you'd NEVER use the phone in anyhow, it did look a bit more 'bright' and less washed out...other than that....
The 8 is pretty good, but the OLED has better text clarity. Many may not notice much difference though.

The OLED is actually rated worse for viewing angles though.

Opted for the XS for all the reasons offered in this thread like the dual camera and display. But the big one for me its not as chunky as the XR. I just don't like the bigger phones. I'm coming from the iphone 7 so really wanted a bump in display quality without having a much larger form factor.
FWIW, the XR is narrower than the XS Max. The XS is smaller of course, but both the XR and XS Max show 22% more info on-screen than the XS.
 
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