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sunking101

macrumors 604
Sep 19, 2013
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To be totally honest my SMS plan allows for 200 SMS messages a month. I barely break 10 a month. SMS represents the Stone Age of cellular communications where carriers were trying to make some sort of short messaging system happen. It still take sometimes a half hour or longer for SMS to be received. There are many alternatives including iMessages.

Why not call them if an instant response is required, or send an email? In most instances, SMS are received almost instantly.
Regardless, iMessage is nothing special and it is certainly not a reason to stay on the iOS platform for. There are many similar systems and apps. All this talk of staying with iOS because 'my family have iPhones and therefore I need iMessage' or 'I couldn't possibly do without Touch ID', or 'it connects seamlessly with my Mac and iPad' just baffles me. These are non-essential things which people are turning into dealbreakers. It's like nobody can contact anyone anymore unless they too have an iPhone. Facepalm.
 

beosound3200

macrumors 6502a
Nov 23, 2010
684
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Why not call them if an instant response is required, or send an email? In most instances, SMS are received almost instantly.
Regardless, iMessage is nothing special and it is certainly not a reason to stay on the iOS platform for. There are many similar systems and apps. All this talk of staying with iOS because 'my family have iPhones and therefore I need iMessage' or 'I couldn't possibly do without Touch ID', or 'it connects seamlessly with my Mac and iPad' just baffles me. These are non-essential things which people are turning into dealbreakers. It's like nobody can contact anyone anymore unless they too have an iPhone. Facepalm.

Its about ux, but appearently you arent aware of such concept. For you, thing either work or dont, right?
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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Why not call them if an instant response is required, or send an email? In most instances, SMS are received almost instantly.

Regardless, iMessage is nothing special and it is certainly not a reason to stay on the iOS platform for. There are many similar systems and apps. All this talk of staying with iOS because 'my family have iPhones and therefore I need iMessage' or 'I couldn't possibly do without Touch ID', or 'it connects seamlessly with my Mac and iPad' just baffles me. These are non-essential things which people are turning into dealbreakers. It's like nobody can contact anyone anymore unless they too have an iPhone. Facepalm.


Is it really baffling? Where do you draw the line of non essential? I can say you can send a letter or drive to meet someone instead of calling them at all. But that doesn't work for you would it? Why is it so baffling someone else would have different conveniences?

Would you like to explain to my grandmother how to hack whatsapp into her iPad so we can text? That alone makes it a deal breaker for me. Plus I have no desire to change. Why go out of my way to inconvenience myself, now that would be baffling.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
35,162
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Gotta be in it to win it
Why not call them if an instant response is required, or send an email? In most instances, SMS are received almost instantly.
Regardless, iMessage is nothing special and it is certainly not a reason to stay on the iOS platform for. There are many similar systems and apps. All this talk of staying with iOS because 'my family have iPhones and therefore I need iMessage' or 'I couldn't possibly do without Touch ID', or 'it connects seamlessly with my Mac and iPad' just baffles me. These are non-essential things which people are turning into dealbreakers. It's like nobody can contact anyone anymore unless they too have an iPhone. Facepalm.

It's more like, because imessage and facetime are nothing special, so therefore give up the iphone to go to android:

- get whatsapp and pay 99 cents.
- get Skype
- get an sms plan
- learn a new o/s, that imho is not as polished as ios.

I'd say that is much more convenient than imessage and facetime. :eek:
 

AustinIllini

macrumors G5
Oct 20, 2011
12,699
10,567
Austin, TX
It's more like, because imessage and facetime are nothing special, so therefore give up the iphone to go to android:

- get whatsapp and pay 99 cents.
- get Skype
- get an sms plan
- learn a new o/s, that imho is not as polished as ios.

I'd say that is much more convenient than imessage and facetime. :eek:

iMessage and FaceTime work 100x better than hangouts. For real.
 

the caveman

macrumors 6502
Aug 21, 2007
439
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Why couldn't you use Whatsapp, or any number of internet-based chat apps such as Skype messenger? iMessage is really not the dealbreaker some of you guys are making it out to be.


Problem with Whatsapp is that it doesn't have a central account that backs up your chats and all. I switch between different phones alot and whats app is a real hassle.
 

sunking101

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Sep 19, 2013
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I'm still not seeing why iMessage is soooo important. However did you guys manage to stay in touch with anyone before Apple came to the rescue? :-/
 

Truefan31

macrumors 68040
Aug 25, 2012
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It's not that iMessage or ft is always critical but it's a nice feature to have on an os that is smooth and stable. It works, it works well so theres no reason to change platforms. Can communicate with iPads, macs, iPods all seamless. If it's not broken why try to fix it.
 

solarguy17

macrumors 6502a
Sep 10, 2007
738
183
So original point of this thread was "why iPhone or S5?"
That question has been answered by many people with many different reason but only 1 seems to be the focus of the arguing and condescension.
iMessage, for some reason a person saying iMessage is a phone selling feature in comprehensible and ignorant to some of the poster here. Even laying down a level of condescension.

However did you guys manage to stay in touch with anyone before Apple came to the rescue? :-/

So let's just summarize what people have said.
iMessage has the following benefits of standard SMS/MMS messaging
-instant
-uncompressed pictures
-uncompressed videos
-better group messaging
-works across all Apple devices
-integrated in the standard Messaging app
-seamless
-security
-unlimited messaging

Now there are multiple messaging solutions a person could use
SMS/MMS
iMessage
WhatsApp
FB Messenger
Hangouts
Snapchat
Just to name a few. And each has there own benefits and drawbacks.

If you don't understand why someone likes iMessage, that's ok, you don't need to. At the end of the day only matters to the people using it. You ask why is I message so important, and you get an answer of why it's important to each individual person, but then reject the reason as dumb and useless, mentioning that there are other solutions that do the same thing. Which is fine and dandy, but if someone wants iMessage over Hangouts, why do you care and get so worried?

Personally iMessage is not the feature selling me the iPhone but for the people that it is thats great!
I'm sure you would find something wrong with my reason for not switching to the S5 even if my reason is perfectly valid.
 
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I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
35,162
25,289
Gotta be in it to win it
I'm still not seeing why iMessage is soooo important. However did you guys manage to stay in touch with anyone before Apple came to the rescue? :-/

That's the same as saying how did people get anywhere before Henry ford came to the rescue.

To me both FaceTime and iMessage are selling points of iOS, and other than I'm not fond if android, a reason an iphone wins my business.

FaceTime makes person to person video calling so darn easy. Nothing says you have to like anything about IOS, "no skin off me." However since you are engaging in the debate you will hear all sides.
 

chupachup

macrumors 6502
Sep 1, 2013
487
2
Why not call them if an instant response is required, or send an email? In most instances, SMS are received almost instantly.
Regardless, iMessage is nothing special and it is certainly not a reason to stay on the iOS platform for. There are many similar systems and apps. All this talk of staying with iOS because 'my family have iPhones and therefore I need iMessage' or 'I couldn't possibly do without Touch ID', or 'it connects seamlessly with my Mac and iPad' just baffles me. These are non-essential things which people are turning into dealbreakers. It's like nobody can contact anyone anymore unless they too have an iPhone. Facepalm.

When it comes to chat apps, you go where your friends go. I live in Thailand. Everyone here is on LINE. It used to be WhatsApp but one day everyone left at once and were all on LINE. I couldn't talk to anyone until I got LINE. The people with iPhones, they use LINE. Everyone does.

So. Even if I had an iPhone, imessage would be useless.

The thing about communication between apple devices is absolutely true. Nothing comes close. If I had to get a laptop, I would get Mac and probably get another iPhone again. The experience is that good.
 

sunking101

macrumors 604
Sep 19, 2013
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When it comes to chat apps, you go where your friends go. I live in Thailand. Everyone here is on LINE. It used to be WhatsApp but one day everyone left at once and were all on LINE. I couldn't talk to anyone until I got LINE. The people with iPhones, they use LINE. Everyone does.

So. Even if I had an iPhone, imessage would be useless.

The thing about communication between apple devices is absolutely true. Nothing comes close. If I had to get a laptop, I would get Mac and probably get another iPhone again. The experience is that good.

When I had a Mac, all the iCloud 'synching' used to really frustrate me. I don't want what's on my phone on my Mac, and vice versa. I don't want iMessages on my Mac, I don't want everything tied-in together. Synching data from an iPhone to a PC is easy to do, as it is from an Android to a Mac. If you want data transferred from either device then it is a simple operation. I'm not disputing that some people love this stuff, because I read enough posts on here to know that they do, but I still struggle to see the importance of it all.
 

solarguy17

macrumors 6502a
Sep 10, 2007
738
183
The people with iPhones, they use LINE. Everyone does.

So. Even if I had an iPhone, imessage would be useless.

Assuming you have an iPhone, iMessage isn't useless, you would still be able to send them an iMessage or txt to them without an extra app.

Unless WhatsApp or Line has some special feature that can't be don't in the standard messaging app then they are really useless.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
When I had a Mac, all the iCloud 'synching' used to really frustrate me. I don't want what's on my phone on my Mac, and vice versa. I don't want iMessages on my Mac, I don't want everything tied-in together. Synching data from an iPhone to a PC is easy to do, as it is from an Android to a Mac. If you want data transferred from either device then it is a simple operation. I'm not disputing that some people love this stuff, because I read enough posts on here to know that they do, but I still struggle to see the importance of it all.


I (you) could just turn off syncing between things you don't want to sync.

There is no desperate importance to it all it's just convenient. I don't want to enter a password into the browser on my phone and have to do it on my Mac if I don't have too. I don't want to update multiple sets of calendars, contacts, notes, reminders if I don't have too. I find it more convenient since I am using iMessage to read and respond to them on my Mac versus pulling my phone out, I have a 27" screen I might as well utilize it.

There are dozens of real world examples that I find that useful albeit trivial. For example I was sitting on the couch last night on my iPad, I suddenly remembered something I needed at the grocery store, I just added it to reminders. Even though my phone was out of reach I know it's on there for the next time I goto the store. Sounds dumb but that's useful to me.

Nothing is life or death and the world would move happily along without that stuff but add enough things that people find convenient and it becomes a deal breaker.

Same would apply to Android functions I don't use. I'm sure I'd find conveniences in some of those too. Obviously I can live without them.
 

wilky76

macrumors regular
Oct 9, 2013
215
1
Wigan
I have no issue using either iOS or Android, but i've just bought myself another 5S 32GB because frankly I'm fed up with Samsung, I've been a fan of Samsung phones since about 2010 when the first Galaxy S launched, which at the time was brilliant same goes for the S2, after that they they went down hill in my book, but i still bought them.

My S5 is currently at Samsung being repaired after it overheated and died the next day, I had a similar problem with the S4 aswell, I'm now sticking with Apple for the foreseeable future for my smartphones, granted the iphone atm doesn't have the shizbang features of the S5 such as NFC and ac wireless along with a few other things, but what i find more appealing with the iPhone is it simplicity, no need to messing about with the phone to get it how i like, unlike i had to do with the S5, I hated the new look touchwiz with it blue green theme it looked terrible so installed Nova Launcher from day one.

Also i find the camera on the 5S better than the S5, I just point it and shoot and 99.9% of the time pictures come out great, on the S5 unless you was in perfect bright sunny day this is where the camera really did excel with superb punchy pictures & HDR was superb, but soon as the light changed ie cloudy day or sunset/dim light well it usually ended up with blur in the pictures unless you was perfectly still & low light shots well less i say about them the better.

Video on the S5 seem to taken a slight step back aswell, on the Note 3 both 1080p video and 4K especially looked really good, on the S5 they seemed to overdo it slightly with the sharpening and colours & compression seem worst aswell, and all Samsung phones i had in the past when recording video the mics are super sensitive picking up noise from your jacket ect, and there software based stabilization in video is pretty bad as it jerks and skips trying to keep up sometimes, plus it can only be used in standard formats such as 720p & 1080p both HDR 60fps and 4K was all unstabilized.

With the iPhone 5S 1080p video while simple & mono sound does an excellent job no constant autofocusing, i always turned this off on other phones i had and used manual, it doesn't pick up noise from moving your hand or from your clothing from what i gathered at least, plus sharpness seems spot on aswell as does the colour & audio quality is good to, also stabilization while software can easily rival some of those with proper OIS.

This is what the iPhone has going for it, it keeps things simple in everything it does but produces superb images, video's, music playback, easy straight forward OS that doesn't need to be tinkered with, call quality ect ect, and while it does miss out on the latest WiFi standard & NFC ect most of these will probably be addressed in the iPhone 6, basically making it the best smartphone on the market come September.
 
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chupachup

macrumors 6502
Sep 1, 2013
487
2
When I had a Mac, all the iCloud 'synching' used to really frustrate me. I don't want what's on my phone on my Mac, and vice versa. I don't want iMessages on my Mac, I don't want everything tied-in together. Synching data from an iPhone to a PC is easy to do, as it is from an Android to a Mac. If you want data transferred from either device then it is a simple operation. I'm not disputing that some people love this stuff, because I read enough posts on here to know that they do, but I still struggle to see the importance of it all.

You can always tell a troll when the posts make no sense whatsoever.

iMessages and iCloud syncing frustrated you. So why didn't you turn it off?
 
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sunking101

macrumors 604
Sep 19, 2013
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You can always tell a troll when the posts make no sense whatsoever.

iMessages and iCloud syncing frustrated you. So why didn't you turn it off?

I did turn it off. My point was why does nobody else ;-)
As for being a 'troll', come again? I'm questioning an Apple feature's dealbreaking merit and therefore I make no sense to you?
 

chupachup

macrumors 6502
Sep 1, 2013
487
2
Assuming you have an iPhone, iMessage isn't useless, you would still be able to send them an iMessage or txt to them without an extra app.

Unless WhatsApp or Line has some special feature that can't be don't in the standard messaging app then they are really useless.

It is useless because none of the people I need to talk to use iMessage, and they have iPhone. They are all in LINE. Others have Samsung, so you end up using LINE anyway, then everyone eventually ends up using LINE.
 

joshkhaos1

Suspended
Jul 24, 2014
364
86
As a parent with a 2 year old boy, Facetime is a lifesaver for us when it comes to grandparents being able to see him regularly. I realize that doesn't work out for everyone but for families who all use iPhones it works well. And for those who have friends and family members where the majority use iOS, iMessage is definitely better than standard SMS.

I'm still not seeing why iMessage is soooo important. However did you guys manage to stay in touch with anyone before Apple came to the rescue? :-/
 

joshkhaos1

Suspended
Jul 24, 2014
364
86
This.

I have no issue using either iOS or Android, but i've just bought myself another 5S 32GB because frankly I'm fed up with Samsung, I've been a fan of Samsung phones since about 2010 when the first Galaxy S launched, which at the time was brilliant same goes for the S2, after that they they went down hill in my book, but i still bought them.

My S5 is currently at Samsung being repaired after it overheated and died the next day, I had a similar problem with the S4 aswell, I'm now sticking with Apple for the foreseeable future for my smartphones, granted the iphone atm doesn't have the shizbang features of the S5 such as NFC and ac wireless along with a few other things, but what i find more appealing with the iPhone is it simplicity, no need to messing about with the phone to get it how i like, unlike i had to do with the S5, I hated the new look touchwiz with it blue green theme it looked terrible so installed Nova Launcher from day one.

Also i find the camera on the 5S better than the S5, I just point it and shoot and 99.9% of the time pictures come out great, on the S5 unless you was in perfect bright sunny day this is where the camera really did excel with superb punchy pictures & HDR was superb, but soon as the light changed ie cloudy day or sunset/dim light well it usually ended up with blur in the pictures unless you was perfectly still & low light shots well less i say about them the better.

Video on the S5 seem to taken a slight step back aswell, on the Note 3 both 1080p video and 4K especially looked really good, on the S5 they seemed to overdo it slightly with the sharpening and colours & compression seem worst aswell, and all Samsung phones i had in the past when recording video the mics are super sensitive picking up noise from your jacket ect, and there software based stabilization in video is pretty bad as it jerks and skips trying to keep up sometimes, plus it can only be used in standard formats such as 720p & 1080p both HDR 60fps and 4K was all unstabilized.

With the iPhone 5S 1080p video while simple & mono sound does an excellent job no constant autofocusing, i always turned this off on other phones i had and used manual, it doesn't pick up noise from moving your hand or from your clothing from what i gathered at least, plus sharpness seems spot on aswell as does the colour & audio quality is good to, also stabilization while software can easily rival some of those with proper OIS.

This is what the iPhone has going for it, it keeps things simple in everything it does but produces superb images, video's, music playback, easy straight forward OS that doesn't need to be tinkered with, call quality ect ect, and while it does miss out on the latest WiFi standard & NFC ect most of these will probably be addressed in the iPhone 6, basically making it the best smartphone on the market come September.
 
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