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macrumors 6502a
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On the considering S5 vs 5S, I normally without hesitation would say iPhone works fine, but I recently got an interesting email from my bank...

TD Bank (At least Toronto Dominion Canada Trust) is pushing use of NFC with their app for small purchases. Just link your credit card to the app, and use your phone for payment. I know it is a small thing, but if I'm going out for a jog, and I have only my phone and a key with me, this is an interesting development if I want to stop in somewhere for a bite to eat, or get some fresh drinks. Seems kind of handy.

Only works on certain Android and Blackberry phones.

I'd like to say passbook is the answer, but aside from... Starbucks, I don't have a single passbook that will do payments in store.
 

sunking101

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Sep 19, 2013
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5S = iOS (win)

S5 = Android (fail)

Yes it's really that simple. Spec's don't mean much if you dealing with buggy, laggy and malware prone software.

Not that iOS7 has ever been buggy or laggy ;-)
As for malware, there really is very little out there for Android. Chrome and the stock browser work in a sandbox, so even if you did manage to pick up one of the super-rare Android viruses, you'd be fine. Install a security product such as Kaspersky's offering ($10 per year) and you'll have none.
 

mjschabow

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Dec 25, 2013
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Not that iOS7 has ever been buggy or laggy ;-)

As for malware, there really is very little out there for Android. Chrome and the stock browser work in a sandbox, so even if you did manage to pick up one of the super-rare Android viruses, you'd be fine. Install a security product such as Kaspersky's offering ($10 per year) and you'll have none.


This is definitely true. The whole malware and virus argument against android is very weak. Before owning the iPhone I had android for 3 years without any viruses.

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I would have said the music player, but iOS 7 music app is complete garbage


I'll say this though. At The Beatles are filed under the letter B and not T on iOS. Both Samsung and HTC drove me nuts with band names they start with The.
 

Zinthar

macrumors 6502
Jul 10, 2006
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Samsung not my first choice for Android

Exactly. If I was switching back to Android, I would most certainly go with either the HTC One (M8), the upcoming Nexus 6, or the upcoming Moto X+1 before considering a Samsung.

When Samsung completely dumps TouchWiz, and figures out how to build a phone that doesn't feel like plastic garbage in the hand, then maybe I'll take a look.

Also, the Galaxy S5 definitely is not objectively better than the 5S, for the reasons many others in this thread have mentioned. In use, it feels very laggy compared to the iPhone 5. It also really bothers me how it feels like it's hollow inside when you tap quickly on it (like while typing).
 

andyACEcandy

macrumors 6502a
Feb 11, 2008
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For me, it's hardware

I can't stand the cheap plastic/rubber of Samsung phones. The Note 3 is okay... but when you hold an iPhone or even the HTC One, you realize you're holding a quality product.

That and the ecosystem for Apple is nice if you're a mac user, ipad, apple tv, all your friends have iphones, etc...
 

sunking101

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Exactly. If I was switching back to Android, I would most certainly go with either the HTC One (M8), the upcoming Nexus 6, or the upcoming Moto X+1 before considering a Samsung.

When Samsung completely dumps TouchWiz, and figures out how to build a phone that doesn't feel like plastic garbage in the hand, then maybe I'll take a look.

When in a case, the plastic rear cover cannot be felt or noticed. It becomes a moot point. Most people put their iPhones in a case.
The removable battery in the Galaxy and Note range remains an absolute stonker of a feature though. Sure it's relatively easy to replace an iPhone battery in the 4 and 5 series (we don't know about the i6 yet), but you can never be sure if the new battery is genuine or safe. Apple doesn't sell them retail and the spurious ones available on the internet don't come with a guarantee if they destroy your phone. With a Galaxy or Note, you can buy an affordable Samsung-branded genuine battery from the normal outlets and fit it yourself in a minute.
 

Truefan31

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I think the fact that the 5s sold 7 million in May while the s5 sold 5 million, and the s5 just came out while the 5s is like 8 months old speaks volumes about this debate
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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Having used both cameras, the detail when you zoom in on a faraway object (after the photo has been taken) is incredible. Not to say that the 5S camera is poor but the S5 is a much better module. Samsung phones have always had good cameras.

A lot of people fail to realize megapixels is calculated from resolution. Electronic zooming on a camera with higher megapixels (given the same/similar optics) will always look better then one with lower. This is why there is more to megapixels then just printing posters or whatever anyone wants to claim.

Its easy for anyone to test themselves. Take a point and shoot camera, take two pictures one at a high resolution setting and one at a lower resolution setting. Zoom into the same area on both pictures, the higher resolution will look better (because there is more information).

For those that don't feel like trying it at home I'll show an example. Here is a picture taken of my iMac, across the room and then cropped. One image is 3072x2304 (7.1 MP) and the other is 2592x1944 (5 MP).

7.1 MP

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5 MP

IMG_1702.JPG


Since the resolution is different the image sizes are different, if I were to stretch the 5 MP out it would look that much worse. Regardless its easy to tell which one is a better image. Keep in mind thats comparing the exact same optic, same camera, same everything shot using a tripod. Only difference is resolution (megapixels).
 
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T5BRICK

macrumors G3
Aug 3, 2006
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Oregon
None. Maybe your Note 3 has a bogus battery. ;)

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I've got background app refresh on and my battery lasts all throughout my work day and well into the evening before needing to be charged. Something may be wrong with your battery.
 

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nagromme

macrumors G5
May 2, 2002
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Because the Galaxy line is too much "specs for specs sake": too much marketing fluff and half-baked features that sound better than they are.

iOS delivers:

* OS updates well into the future, available promptly. Not devices abandoned while you're still paying the contract.

* 100% FULL automatic backups so that your next iPhone or your warranty swap automatically clone every setting and customization right down to your wallpaper, app folders, and half-typed email drafts.

* Far better security and freedom from keyloggers and malware. (Even the official Google Play store has fake versions of name-brand apps using a realistic name and icon.) Privacy and security are much higher priorites for Apple than for Google--as Google fully admits.

* MUCH better selection of QUALITY apps, and iOS usually gets developers' attention first (for reasons which are not going away). Android can say "we have something in that general category" a lot more often than they can say "we have an app that's truly as good." And what exclusives do they have? Widgets and system hacks. That's neat (albeit insecure unlike what iOS 8 is doing along those lines). But iOS has REAL app exclusives. Awesome ones.

* Battery life that doesn't shrink just from installing a ton of apps. You don't have to manage apps like you're on a 1990 Windows PC.

* Really solid (usually metal) construction. Today's Samsung's feel cheap, like a lesser imitation of Apple's plastic construction from years ago.

* Speed and efficiency: Android throws power-hungry cores at the performance problem, treating it as a marketing matter because it's all they can do. Meanwhile, all those cores fall short in real-world speed tests, and Apple delivers 64-bit... and truly supported by apps, delivering real benefits.

* iOS has software, hardware, processor, dev tools and online store all designed together as whole, by one company that puts the customer first. Android has multiple different competing parties with incompatible goals, very often putting advertisers (Google) and carriers (Samsung) first. Great example: Samsing adds neat-sounding features that make nice ads. How widely are they supported by actual apps? Quite poorly. Samsung doesn't control the OS or the dev tools. In fact, Google wants them NOT to customize Android. Who wins that fight? Not users.

Android IS a good choice for some people. It delivers:

* More system hacks available. (But you can't hack it to correct the problems above.) The teenage Amiga hacker in me wants a hand-me-down Android handset to mess with.

* Custom keyboards and widgets. (iPhone won't get those for a few months--but when we do, they'll be secure in ways Google isn't even approaching.)

* Larger-screen options (but poor options for one-handed sizes; they tend to be slow and low-spec). iPhone, again, won't get those for a few months. And may never reach 5" if that's important enough to accept the Android problems.

* The option to carry extra batteries. Wait, there are tons of those for iPhone. Never mind.
 

sunking101

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Sep 19, 2013
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Because the Galaxy line is too much "specs for specs sake": too much marketing fluff and half-baked features that sound better than they are.

iOS delivers:

* OS updates well into the future, available promptly. Not devices abandoned while you're still paying the contract.

* 100% FULL automatic backups so that your next iPhone or your warranty swap automatically clone every setting and customization right down to your wallpaper, app folders, and half-typed email drafts.

* Far better security and freedom from keyloggers and malware. (Even the official Google Play store has fake versions of name-brand apps using a realistic name and icon.) Privacy and security are much higher priorites for Apple than for Google--as Google fully admits.

* MUCH better selection of QUALITY apps, and iOS usually gets developers' attention first (for reasons which are not going away). Android can say "we have something in that general category" a lot more often than they can say "we have an app that's truly as good." And what exclusives do they have? Widgets and system hacks. That's neat (albeit insecure unlike what iOS 8 is doing along those lines). But iOS has REAL app exclusives. Awesome ones.

* Battery life that doesn't shrink just from installing a ton of apps. You don't have to manage apps like you're on a 1990 Windows PC.

* Really solid (usually metal) construction. Today's Samsung's feel cheap, like a lesser imitation of Apple's plastic construction from years ago.

* Speed and efficiency: Android throws power-hungry cores at the performance problem, treating it as a marketing matter because it's all they can do. Meanwhile, all those cores fall short in real-world speed tests, and Apple delivers 64-bit... and truly supported by apps, delivering real benefits.

* iOS has software, hardware, processor, dev tools and online store all designed together as whole, by one company that puts the customer first. Android has multiple different competing parties with incompatible goals, very often putting advertisers (Google) and carriers (Samsung) first. Great example: Samsing adds neat-sounding features that make nice ads. How widely are they supported by actual apps? Quite poorly. Samsung doesn't control the OS or the dev tools. In fact, Google wants them NOT to customize Android. Who wins that fight? Not users.

Android IS a good choice for some people. It delivers:

* More system hacks available. (But you can't hack it to correct the problems above.) The teenage Amiga hacker in me wants a hand-me-down Android handset to mess with.

* Custom keyboards and widgets. (iPhone won't get those for a few months--but when we do, they'll be secure in ways Google isn't even approaching.)

* Larger-screen options (but poor options for one-handed sizes; they tend to be slow and low-spec). iPhone, again, won't get those for a few months. And may never reach 5" if that's important enough to accept the Android problems.

* The option to carry extra batteries. Wait, there are tons of those for iPhone. Never mind.

A lot of that is erroneous but I do agree about the quality of iOS apps. Battery life is considerably better on the newer flagship Android handsets than it is on the 5S. As for having to manage apps, it is no different on an Apple device. More running apps = faster battery drain.
You mention o/s updates over a 24 month contract. Samsung and HTC phones will get at least one full upgrade (ie the equivalent of going from iOS7 to iOS8). Google Nexus phones get every single update for 18 months, then nothing.
After experiencing several system slowdowns and bugs, I'm not really convinced by the iOS upgrades argument anymore. Sure each iPhone is good for at least a couple of full iOS upgrades, but after that they slow down and in the case of the iPhone 4 getting iOS7, they become frustrating to use. I would rather have a speedy phone running a slightly older version of an o/s, than a phone running a newer o/s that it can't really handle.
iCloud backups are indeed awesome. Android does not yet offer the facility to make a new phone backup just like your old one.
Really though, whichever platform you swap over from, you're going to miss certain things. An iPhone user can reel off what they would miss and so could an Android user. Both platforms have pros and cons.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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Why would you pick iPhone over the Galaxy S5?

* Speed and efficiency: Android throws power-hungry cores at the performance problem, treating it as a marketing matter because it's all they can do. Meanwhile, all those cores fall short in real-world speed tests, and Apple delivers 64-bit... and truly supported by apps, delivering real benefits.



This threw me off.



Android throws power hungry cores at performance problems? First, Android is software not hardware. But assuming you meant Samsung. Samsung's power hungry cores don't matter since the S5 battery last longer and charges faster as tested by Anandtech.



Then, you say the cores are treated as a marketing matter but fall short in real world speed test. This is strange because Android can utilize those cores whereas comparatively speaking not much can utilize 64 bit. I think you meant to say benchmarks not real world because that is actually where 64 bit shines. Let everyone else decide which is more marketing at this point.
 

Truefan31

macrumors 68040
Aug 25, 2012
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Why would you pick iPhone over the Galaxy S5?

I think because apple controls the hardware and software, along with the design and pretty much everything else, you'll always get a smoother experience on iPhone vs galaxy. Samsung puts their skin over android, along with carrier bloatware, it's a no brainer. Bigger battery yes, and it needs a 2 amp charger to charge it fast. Does it charge twice as fast as a iPhone, since the iPhone only needs 1 amp? Is the s5 battery rated twice as good as a 5s?

Again I'll say the fact that the 5s is outselling the s5 speaks volumes. We're 2 months away from the iPhone 6, and the s5 just released can't outsell the iPhone 5s?
 
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saintforlife

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Feb 25, 2011
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With the recent sales results that shows the iPhone 5s is still outselling the newer Galaxy S5, I'm curious as to why you either picked or would pick the iPhone over the GS5. Spec for spec and feature for feature the GS5 is heads and tales above the iPhone in just about every category (1080P - 5.1" screen, 16MP camera, Killer battery life, expandable memory, etc.) and yet it's not outselling the iPhone... what does the iPhone still do better than The Galaxy S5 and Android KitKat 4.4.2?

Don't give me the tired old "android is a mess" argument, we aren't dealing with ginger bread or jelly bean here anymore. KitKat does almost everything well.

I know you are trolling, but I am going to reply anyway.

iOS > Android
Metal body > Plastic body
iPhone's camera > Samsung S5's camera
iOS devices and Macs working together > Whatever solution Google has
AirPlay > Chromecast
App Store > Play Store
Apple Store Service > Whatever Samsung has

....you get the idea
 

Truefan31

macrumors 68040
Aug 25, 2012
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835
I know you are trolling, but I am going to reply anyway.

iOS > Android
Metal body > Plastic body
iPhone's camera > Samsung S5's camera
iOS devices and Macs working together > Whatever solution Google has
AirPlay > Chromecast
App Store > Play Store
Apple Store Service > Whatever Samsung has

....you get the idea


I agree with this.

Especially apple store/customer service. I've had nothing but pleasant experiences. This is a big difference. Does samsung have anything like AppleCare? What do they have for customer service?
 

mjschabow

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Dec 25, 2013
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I know you are trolling, but I am going to reply anyway.

iOS > Android
Metal body > Plastic body
iPhone's camera > Samsung S5's camera
iOS devices and Macs working together > Whatever solution Google has
AirPlay > Chromecast
App Store > Play Store
Apple Store Service > Whatever Samsung has

....you get the idea


The Chromecast is just a wonderful device. I'm curious why you feel Airplay is better.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
35,162
25,287
Gotta be in it to win it
A lot of that is erroneous but I do agree about the quality of iOS apps. Battery life is considerably better on the newer flagship Android handsets than it is on the 5S. As for having to manage apps, it is no different on an Apple device. More running apps = faster battery drain.
You mention o/s updates over a 24 month contract. Samsung and HTC phones will get at least one full upgrade (ie the equivalent of going from iOS7 to iOS8). Google Nexus phones get every single update for 18 months, then nothing.
After experiencing several system slowdowns and bugs, I'm not really convinced by the iOS upgrades argument anymore. Sure each iPhone is good for at least a couple of full iOS upgrades, but after that they slow down and in the case of the iPhone 4 getting iOS7, they become frustrating to use. I would rather have a speedy phone running a slightly older version of an o/s, than a phone running a newer o/s that it can't really handle.
iCloud backups are indeed awesome. Android does not yet offer the facility to make a new phone backup just like your old one.
Really though, whichever platform you swap over from, you're going to miss certain things. An iPhone user can reel off what they would miss and so could an Android user. Both platforms have pros and cons.

So because YOU have an issue with the iPhone 4 and ios 7 you put up a strawman argument that basically says all IOS devices will never work properly for all consumers with all future IOS upgrades? I think apple does a better job at supporting it's devices and welcome getting new updates for older hardware for four years.

Other than that I know people with the galaxy and claiming better battery life, while actually having better battery life are two different things.
 

Alphabetize

macrumors 6502
Oct 6, 2013
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I refuse to use any Android device that is not running the stock version of Android, so I would never go with a Samsung device. I also refuse to use an Android device until every single device running Android is running the exact same version of Android, that looks exactly the same across every device. Which won't ever happen. No "Google Play Editions" or doing all that Boot ROM-thingamagiggering either. For me, it's Google Nexus or bust.

But I will still pick the iPhone over other devices because I've invested a great deal of money into the Apple ecosystem already, and I'm very happy with the performance of my iPhone (battery could be improved though!)

But an even bigger thing for me is software design. I like how Apple designs their software (and hardware) but their design is much more appealing to me. It seems like anybody else throws in ugly pointy boxes, or has too many buttons, ugly icons, command lines, and just general ugliness.

I also really love iCloud. Syncing everything across all my devices that easily, and accessing everything super easily with no horrible confusing menus or anything is the best thing ever. Plus I really love how well iCloud integrates between my Mac and iOS. Starting something on the iPhone or Mac and picking up on the opposite device. Great.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Are they the same in terms of capabilities? Other than Apple TV integrating with IOS devices, what would make chrome cast better?


70 dollars cheaper? Lol

Although I still prefer my AppleTV vs Chromecast. It's (ATV) a stand alone device. It has optical out too which I still use.

Although I'm starting to see apps going to chromecast still without airplay support even on iOS devices.
 
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