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I wouldn’t say it’s a rip off but it’s still an expensive phone and doesn’t offer enough over last years line up to some people to warrant £50 more. It’s a good phone and I expect to to be the best selling new phone over the next 12 months.

If you happen to like Face ID and edge-to-edge screen, $50 more for getting heck of a lot better wide angle rear camera performance (whose video performance, particularly low light and video stabilization are hugely improved), not to mention a bunch of other refinements and improvements, seem entirely fair.

Only loss is for folks like you who value telephoto lens. Or those who prefer Touch ID.
 
I wouldn’t say it’s a rip off but it’s still an expensive phone and doesn’t offer enough over last years line up to some people to warrant £50 more. It’s a good phone and I expect to to be the best selling new phone over the next 12 months.

I would disagree with that, the new form factor, an all display with Face ID, which still includes wireless charging and true tone, and the same IP67 water resistance rating, I would say that’s enough to warrant the difference of $50, I mean just the concept that this is a new design alone will captivate the consumer in terms of purchasing exactly what they see. But what they won’t see, is the exhausted look from the iPhone 8 model and below.
 
I would disagree with that, the new form factor, an all display with Face ID, which still includes wireless charging and true tone, and the same IP67 water resistance rating, I would say that’s enough to warrant the difference of $50, I mean just the concept that this is a new design alone will captivate the consumer in terms of purchasing exactly what they see. But what they won’t see, is the exhausted look from the iPhone 8 model and below.

You completely missed my point. I continuously said ‘for me’. Of course there will be others that feel differently but for me it wasn’t worth the extra money and I wanted the home button on one last iPhone.
 
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If you happen to like Face ID and edge-to-edge screen, $50 more for getting heck of a lot better wide angle rear camera performance (whose video performance, particularly low light and video stabilization are hugely improved), not to mention a bunch of other refinements and improvements, seem entirely fair.

Only loss is for folks like you who value telephoto lens. Or those who prefer Touch ID.
I agree entirely. For me I wanted the telephoto lens and right now I prefer touchID so the 8+ was the better phone in my opinion at this point. For those wanting FaceID the XR is by far the best option for the mainstream consumer due to its lower price compared to the XS.
 
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You completely missed my point. I continuously said ‘for me’.

Incorrect. You never once said ‘For me’ in this post I quoted you on below: I quoted you based you said its a still an ‘expensive phone’ nowhere in your post did you indicate ‘for me’. Which is why I listed the differences why I think the value is there for the XR alone with the new form factor and Face ID.

For the record again, this is what you said.

I wouldn’t say it’s a rip off but it’s still an expensive phone and doesn’t offer enough over last years line up to some people to warrant £50 more. It’s a good phone and I expect to to be the best selling new phone over the next 12 months.

Back to my point, for $50 more, there is way more value here for this new phone over a antiquated iPhone 8. That’s what the consumer will see with the new form factor, color additions and biometric security option with Face ID.
 
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Incorrect. You never once said ‘For me’ in this post I quoted you on below: I quoted you based you said its a still an ‘expensive phone’ nowhere in your post did you indicate ‘for me’. Which is why I listed the differences why I think the value is there for the XR alone with the new form factor and Face ID.

For the record again, this is what you said.



Back to my point, for $50 more, there is way more value here for this new phone over a antiquated iPhone 8. That’s what the consumer will see with the new form factor, color additions and biometric security option with Face ID.
I assumed you were following the conversation where I’ve repeatedly said ‘for me’ and ‘some people’. Christ.

One day you claim the iPhone 8 is a great phone the next it’s antiquated, you need to be consistent.

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At the end of the day we all buy what we like and for me the extra £50 wasn’t worth it. This is why these handsets will appeal to different people. The telephoto lens has come in very useful for me, especially as an engineer who does a fair bit of product testing, the zoom has been great.

The physical size of these devices was clear to me when I said the 8+ is 3mm wider and 8mm taller as this is stated by Apple. To me that’s insignificant in terms of portability as both devices are large.

The positive of having a choice of devices is everybody gets the best device in their opinion. In terms of judging specs I was happy to consider the pros and cons and the 8+ came out in top for me.

I personally felt the 8+ was a much better deal and to be honest 3mm on the width and 8mm on the height is not significant enough to make a difference in terms of size for me. They are both big phones and the specs of the 8+ were enough of a draw combined with the extended wait for the XR.
 
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I'm hoping the XR sells more than the XS/MAX.

Purely from a 'sticking it to the man' standpoint - letting Apple know that charging what they have for the XS/MAX isn't on & people are going to look elsewhere for a 'package' that - whilst also doesn't have the contents of iPhones of the past (adaptor/fast charger) - has near-enough performance for less cost.
 
I'm hoping the XR sells more than the XS/MAX.

Purely from a 'sticking it to the man' standpoint - letting Apple know that charging what they have for the XS/MAX isn't on & people are going to look elsewhere for a 'package' that - whilst also doesn't have the contents of iPhones of the past (adaptor/fast charger) - has near-enough performance for less cost.
This is why I got a subtle sense of satisfaction last year when the iPhone 7 and 8 were outselling the iPhone X in some of Europe’s biggest markets lol. It’s a nice indicator that one iPhone is not going to appeal to all and price is a major player despite what Apple would like us to desire! :)
 
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This is why I got a subtle sense of satisfaction last year when the iPhone 7 and 8 were outselling the iPhone X in some of Europe’s biggest markets lol. It’s a nice indicator that one iPhone is not going to appeal to all and price is a major player despite what Apple would like us to desire! :)
Guess it wasn't enough, as many jumped on the X & paid full price.......hence the XS/MAX costs...
 
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One day you claim the iPhone 8 is a great phone the next it’s antiquated, you need to be consistent.

You’re definitely confused. Antiquated and great are two things that are not mutually exclusive. The iPhone 8 is a great phone (As I have noted in other threads), but it is an antiquated design in terms of where Apple is leading with the new form factor. I’m not sure why you’re conflating two different things here. I can have an opinion on the iPhone 8 being that it is a solid phone, but that doesn’t mean it takes away from my opinion either that it is a dated design when the consumer will see for $50 more a new form factor, Face ID in six new colors with the XR.

Consistency in my replies doesn’t take away that I can have opinions both positive and negative about the iPhone 8 or any for that matter, its not necessary to be dismissive of both sides to my views.
 
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Guess it wasn't enough, as many jumped on the X & paid full price.......hence the XS/MAX costs...

Certainly overall yes but it was interesting seeing the shift in some countries. Carriers here are trying to draw consumers towards the XS with 3 year contracts and to me that’s telling. I think the XR is the device that will attract the mainstream to try FaceID finally though. I have no doubt it’ll be the biggest selling new iPhone.
 
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My own thoughts. Too many colors for a complete sell out.

I believe the Red, Black, followed by the White versions will prove to be popular. Red and Black could see some limited availability, but there will be plenty of Yellow and Coral to be had by one and all. Too bad the Blue wasn’t darker instead of more like the inside of a newborn baby boy’s room. It will fall in the middle, but still available.

All of this will, of course, depend on Apple’s supply availability. And for anyone who doesn’t care and uses a case constantly, the color ultimately won’t matter.
 
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I'm hoping the XR sells more than the XS/MAX.

Purely from a 'sticking it to the man' standpoint - letting Apple know that charging what they have for the XS/MAX isn't on & people are going to look elsewhere for a 'package' that - whilst also doesn't have the contents of iPhones of the past (adaptor/fast charger) - has near-enough performance for less cost.

That’s a great point, if the xr doesn’t sell out or sell as well as the Xs and Xs max will apple take that as a sign and increase prices further.

Time will tell.
 
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I don’t think it’ll sell out “crazy fast” due to the fact of the device being pricey for what it offers.

What would sell like hot cakes would be an iPhone SE 2! C’mon Apple, don’t abandon us. Not everyone has Hodor Hands! Some of us wear pants with pockets, and we’d like to put our iPhone into while not using it. Hodor.
 
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I'm hoping the XR sells more than the XS/MAX.

Purely from a 'sticking it to the man' standpoint - letting Apple know that charging what they have for the XS/MAX isn't on & people are going to look elsewhere for a 'package' that - whilst also doesn't have the contents of iPhones of the past (adaptor/fast charger) - has near-enough performance for less cost.
I don't know how this is sticking it to them. They did this by design. They charge 1100 for the cheapest XS Max and in doing so make the 750 dollar phone seem "affordable" in comparison when in actuality what you get with the 750 dollar is laughable in comparison to the competition. They intended for the XR to sell the most, and it's going to.
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All the poseurs who want to look like they have they latest iPhone, but cant afford, will be clamoring for it.
The XR is going to be "the latest iPhone" when it releases. iPhone Xs and Xs Max are going to be old news. Congrats on being old news, grandpa.
 
thanks for the info.

Really appreciated

Thanks for the info? What are we future tellers? Nobody knows. And why do you want to know? Next time, title your post better. “Do you guys think the XR will sell out really fast?”
 
I suspect that the Xr will be more of a steady seller. Undecideds who go into a carrier store and see the phones side by side, and think it looks good enough. And see the price difference. If you aren't into phones THAT much that you go onto sites like this and other phone sites.

I don't really see anything wrong with my 7+ screen, LCD and all. It was just that the size of the 7+ wasn't agreeable for me in my shirt pocket.

On a recent trip, I actually took both phones around with me, and kept the 7+ in my pants pocket. As my backup phone, I didn't worry as much about damage. But battery life is atrocious on modern phones when you use them for taking photos during a long day, as well as used for navigation (which subway to take to desired locations, where is the station, etc). On some days, I used up the batteries for both phones, as well as the backup battery packs.
 
I think it depends on production. Latest reports hinted that there were issues with screen production on the Xr. It could be a case of Apple not being able to make them fast brought to meet demand for a while.
 
I don't really see anything wrong with my 7+ screen, LCD and all. It was just that the size of the 7+ wasn't agreeable for me in my shirt pocket.

Nothing wrong with it. But when you can get a bigger screen LCD in a smaller form factor for $50 less than the Plus models previously retailed for, and (allegedly) much better battery life, it could be a good seller. Especially for many on older Plus models or people who want a bigger screen but not the former Plus form factor for only $50 more.
 
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Won’t it be ‘the latest iPhone’ by default?

That’s not what that Member was referring too. They meant the XS/XS Max, where for those who are opting for the XR, is allegedly stating that they can’t afford the XS, which is why they’re choosing this model particularly because its ‘cheaper’

I think it depends on production. Latest reports hinted that there were issues with screen production on the Xr. It could be a case of Apple not being able to make them fast brought to meet demand for a while.

That makes sense. If you think about it, they’re offering six new colors, which means that’s XYZ amount of displays for six new iPhone color casings, which would be *a lot* of units to for fill versus just two units that will be offered for two sizes for the XSand Max.

However, I’m still under the notion that Apple purposely separated the XR launch in October strictly to have its own highlight and not to conflate with the launch of the XS back in September.
 
No-one here has a crystal ball or psychic powers. If we did we'd all be filthy rich from playing the lotto. :)
That said, it's possible it might sell out, but I'd be willing to bet Apple's thought of that and will have plenty of stock on hand to avert any sales disasters.
 
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