Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[pldelisle]

that's a shame.. was hoping cloud got cheaper then again in a corporate setting I guess you don't really worry too much about the billing unless you're the one in charge of it

It is kinda cheap, but when you require computation, especially on GPUs, this is when it gets really pricey. Even for a business, it's much more advantageous to own the servers with the GPUs instead of going cloud. I know one business, Coveo, which uses AWS for machine learning, but their models do not require GPUs.

 

[Azrael9]

I mentioned the idea of unifying the line a couple of times. Or just call the higher end models all iMac Pro and keep iMac for the 23 version. BUT unlike the 27 inch iMac the iMac Pro is well in stock everywhere and the update rummers were for the end of this year.
I asume marketing wise there might be a reason to have iMac prices end somewhere at 4000-5000€ and have a "different" product for the gap between iMac and MacPro.
Like, i feel good about the thought of maxing out the iMac, but if the iMac would include 6000€ machines as well i would be just somewhere in the middle specs wise, probably hesitant on what i want, what i actually need, would need to figure out processors and graphics cards... it dos not make my being process easier while right now it's:
consumer, 21.5 inch
consumer with a big screen -> lower Tier 27 Inch
great computer to do all kinds of work/gaming with -> higher tier 27 inch

and Finally iMacPro were someone literally would need to explain me what niche work i actually need it for.

ERm. I could see doing the 'Macbook' to the iMac line. £999-£1750. Cheaper at the beginning. More expensive at the top end.

iMac 27 inch. £1950 (with 16 gigs of ram and SSD as standard and 'a' RDNA1 variant.) - £2.5k. But that BTO'ing of a larger ram ceiling and 2TB SSDs taking the price past the £3560 I wanted to budget for.

It could just be the same prices. It could be price trimmed. I hope for more bang for buck.

I think we'll get near iMac Pro lower tier performance with the new iMacs. And with BTO options, to eclipse it well short of £5k. eg. A £3k iMac is going to be a great performer.

Azrael.
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@Azrael9 love your 7.3 longevity. Can you stretch the next one to 7.5 just for fun?

Girls, they alway want just that little bit more. Lol.

Mind you...nothing wrong with stretching your longevity. That can be a 'Good Thing.' TM.

With time and patience, who knows.

Mind you, it can be a guy thing too. I want that bit 'extra' from my Mac Cash. *(Ergo my 'value' and performance rants from 'time to time...')

Te be fair, I wanted MoAr from my iMac. I was hoping it would last the extra to survey a new iMac. It fell short by .4 (months.)

I've done 3d modelling and 3d rendering on it. But...when it came to an old 2004 game over the last year of its life? The fans kicked up and it fried to death in the end. It was an Nvidia, mind...680MX. Decent gpu at the time...

I hope the cooling is better on the new iMac. And that we can 'stretch' (please, no jokes, folks...) to 7.5 for extra fun.

Azrael.
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I wonder if they will say anything about iMac Pro

Maybe the new iMac will be the spiritual successor to the iMac Pro?

Azrael.
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and Finally iMacPro were someone literally would need to explain me what niche work i actually need it for.

iMac Pro? 3d viewpoint and rendering. 4k video. Stuff like that. 100 layer Image editing. Playing with the 'big brush' in image editing on movie posters. Z-Brush 1 million polygon plus models.

Azrael.

 

[fokmik]

it won't bulge out as it will be flat on the back

To be like that it means it will have at least 15-20mm thickness the whole unit (today is around 5mm thick around the edges)...otherwise they need the bulge for the components , thermals and especially for the dGPu

 

[Freida]

Which is exactly what I'm expecting. We don't need much thickness (look at MBP) so for desktop it will be thicker of course but nothing too crazy. I think XDR style thickness is pretty much what I'm expecting.
The 5mm edges are nice but also useless. It reduces the space inside and in all honesty does nothing as most computers are against a wall etc. Sure, some fancy offices etc. would prefer what we have now but I'd rather have usefulness than nice design that has thermal struggles.

To be like that it means it will have at least 15-20mm thickness the whole unit (today is around 5mm thick around the edges)...otherwise they need the bulge for the components , thermals and especially for the dGPu

 

[gusping]

Which is exactly what I'm expecting. We don't need much thickness (look at MBP) so for desktop it will be thicker of course but nothing too crazy. I think XDR style thickness is pretty much what I'm expecting.
The 5mm edges are nice but also useless. It reduces the space inside and in all honesty does nothing as most computers are against a wall etc. Sure, some fancy offices etc. would prefer what we have now but I'd rather have usefulness than nice design that has thermal struggles.

You don't like the beautiful super thin edges of the current iMac? HOW DARE YOU!

I think thermals would be pretty horrible with an iMac as thin as the XDR display. Imagine trying to squeeze a hot Intel 6 or 8-core CPU (let alone the 10-core i9) and 5700 XT in there. Hello radiator, frying pan, oven, etc...

Triple the thickness of the XDR display and add a Noctua nh-d15 SORTED!

 

[Mikael H]

that's a shame.. was hoping cloud got cheaper then again in a corporate setting I guess you don't really worry too much about the billing unless you're the one in charge of it

Cloud may be cheap in two circumstances:
1. If it can help you avoid having to recruit additional personnel (likely in small companies with small needs).
2. If you occasionally need obscene amounts of processing power (but if you need it regularly it will soon be better to pay up-front for the hardware).

 

[Dosing]

My 2011 15" MBP finally bit the dust at the weekend there - there's a chance that I'm going to disable the defective video card by flashing the gMux with a custom firmware and revive it but after carrying out 2 reflows of the card in the past year I feel I just need to upgrade and get a machine that suits my needs again (music production/programming for work). If I can revive the 15" then heyho but regardless, I need to upgrade.

Been watching the rumours for the new iMac and pretty set on a potential larger model (27" or above) but with all the chat about ARM, I'm just sat wondering - how long do you think Apple would support Intel after a potential (almost definite) move to ARM? I'm trying to determine whether I purchase a cheaper machine to get by or whether this potential new machine may do me for a good few years, it would be such a shame for support to drop in the next few years e.g. ~3 years.

 

[ssong]

My 2011 15" MBP finally bit the dust at the weekend there - there's a chance that I'm going to disable the defective video card by flashing the gMux with a custom firmware and revive it but after carrying out 2 reflows of the card in the past year I feel I just need to upgrade and get a machine that suits my needs again (music production/programming for work). If I can revive the 15" then heyho but regardless, I need to upgrade.

Been watching the rumours for the new iMac and pretty set on a potential larger model (27" or above) but with all the chat about ARM, I'm just sat wondering - how long do you think Apple would support Intel after a potential (almost definite) move to ARM? I'm trying to determine whether I purchase a cheaper machine to get by or whether this potential new machine may do me for a good few years, it would be such a shame for support to drop in the next few years e.g. ~3 years.

I think the 9th gen chips may be the last intel chips on macs...

As for software support... dunno

 

[pldelisle]

If we look back at the PowerPC -> Intel transition, Steve Jobs announced it in June 2005. First model was announced in January 2006. On August 2009, Snow Leopard was released with Intel-only support. So it last 3 years.

 

[ksodell]

I think the 9th gen chips may be the last intel chips on macs...

As for software support... dunno

-- Sorry. This post was meant as a reply to pldelisle

Wow! That seems like it would be a poor business choice for Apple - sell and forget. Plus, I'd rather not drop a few thousand US$ now on an Intel-based iMac that will be obsolete to Apple in 3 years. I'm already running on an iMac that Apple no longer supports with a newer OS (I'm still on High Sierra).

Although, from what everyone says, I'm probably lucky that I am NOT running on Catalina!

 

[pldelisle]

Boff. Catalina was a bit of a pain at first, but since 10.15.3 it's all OK.

I still run my 2013 MacBook Pro on latest software. I would too be a bit disappointed if Apple drop support for x86 in the next 3 years since I will likely buy the new 2020 iMac. In fact, I doubt my MBP will still be alive in 2-3 months with its swollen battery.

 

[Al Bundy]

Do any of you that bought the 2019 iMac several months ago plan on selling and buying this new upcoming 2020 iMac?

I personally bought a 27 inch 2019 iMac like 6 months ago and kinda regret it at this time but I needed a new computer back then so I had no other option. Not sure if selling this fairly new machine and taking a loss (money wise) is worth it though

The question is, does it serve your current needs ? If yes, apart from the esthetic design, you shouldn't have to change.

 

[gusping]

Boff. Catalina was a bit of a pain at first, but since 10.15.3 it's all OK.

Lucky you! Catalina and a 2018 Mac mini is a death sentence, a truly terrible combination. Would not recommend to anyone. That in itself seems a legitimate reason to purchase an iMac...

 

[askunk]

If we look back at the PowerPC -> Intel transition, Steve Jobs announced it in June 2005. First model was announced in January 2006. On August 2009, Snow Leopard was released with Intel-only support. So it last 3 years.

Ouch. Right.
I hope this time it would be different. Look at how many old macs can still run macOS. Why can I run Catalina on a 2012 MBP but won't be able to update my 2020 iMac in 2024?

 

[Ballis]

It seems a little strange to redesign the iMac and throw Intel parts in it now, just to announce ARM is coming. Along with such news, Id imagine they would just spec bump the current one with 9th gen across the board.

Idk. My current iMac is the mid 2007 so Im getting whatever they release, but I do think others may have reservations about shelling out thousands for a machine that most likely wont be supported for very long.

 

[pldelisle]

It seems a little strange to redesign the iMac and throw Intel parts in it now, just to announce ARM is coming. Along with such news, Id imagine they would just spec bump the current one with 9th gen across the board.

Idk. My current iMac is the mid 2007 so Im getting whatever they release, but I do think others may have reservations about shelling out thousands for a machine that most likely wont be supported for very long.

But when you don't have choice, you pick what's on the market

 

[Agile55]

It seems a little strange to redesign the iMac and throw Intel parts in it now, just to announce ARM is coming. Along with such news, Id imagine they would just spec bump the current one with 9th gen across the board.

Idk. My current iMac is the mid 2007 so Im getting whatever they release, but I do think others may have reservations about shelling out thousands for a machine that most likely wont be supported for very long.

Right there w/ ya Ballis, also using a mid 2007 to post this from & would be stunned if I didn't jump for this one.

 

[Freida]

You always have a choice

But when you don't have choice, you pick what's on the market

 

[JLOAKS]

What are the chances we'll see a new Magic Keyboard & Mouse with the upcoming redesign?

Have there been big revisions of the iMac that haven't seen new peripherals?

 

[Benz63amg]

Seems like we won’t see it released this year,

“A Bloomberg piece this morning suggests that Apple will announce its plans for an ARM Mac at WWDC, even though the first model won't be available until next year. That makes perfect sense. This is a big shift, and developers need time to understand the implications and make plans to support the new platform. The big question right now is how much Apple will reveal, and how useful the information will be for consumers waiting to upgrade their… [ 764 more words ]”

 

[John90976]

Seems like we won’t see it released this year,

“A Bloomberg piece this morning suggests that Apple will announce its plans for an ARM Mac at WWDC, even though the first model won't be available until next year. That makes perfect sense. This is a big shift, and developers need time to understand the implications and make plans to support the new platform. The big question right now is how much Apple will reveal, and how useful the information will be for consumers waiting to upgrade their… [ 764 more words ]”

The new iMac will not be ARM. Intel iMac's are due to finally catch up the rest of the line in design and power, not surpass it.

 

[Jamacfer]

The new iMac will not be ARM. Intel iMac's are due to finally catch up the rest of the line in design and power, not surpass it.

So, if possible, would be wise to wait for the ARM iMac next year...

 

[gusping]

So, if possible, would be wise to wait for the ARM iMac next year...

In my opinion, no. There is no huge need to wait. I dont think anyone considering a mid to high-end will want to buy the first generation of ARM Macs. We don’t know how powerful they will be, what software compatibility will be like, etc.

 

[Jamacfer]

In my opinion, no. There is no huge need to wait. I dont think anyone considering a mid to high-end will want to buy the first generation of ARM Macs. We don’t know how powerful they will be, what software compatibility will be like, etc.

I understand what you mean but there is a risk of having a machine born "old" and with a limited useful life (in terms of future software compatibility).

 

[canyelles]

It seems a little strange to redesign the iMac and throw Intel parts in it now, just to announce ARM is coming. Along with such news, Id imagine they would just spec bump the current one with 9th gen across the board.

I don't see anything strange in it at all.

Apple get to double dip. First for the new design this year and then for ARM later.