Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[gusping]

I understand what you mean but there is a risk of having a machine born "old" and with a limited useful life (in terms of future software compatibility).

True, but i think the benefit of waiting for ARM to mature outweighs the costs. I can’t imagine Apple bailing on Intel in their Mac OS support for at least 5 years.

I don’t usually keep my Macs for more than 4 years, so perhaps it would be a
different story if you keep your Mac until it dies (7+ years).

 

[DrRadon]

Pretty certain the answer will be no since it's not included in the MacPro.... but just for fun.... Touch Bar for iMac Keyboard?

 

[Jamacfer]

True, but i think the benefit of waiting for ARM to mature outweighs the costs. I can’t imagine Apple bailing on Intel in their Mac OS support for at least 5 years.

I don’t usually keep my Macs for more than 4 years, so perhaps it would be a
different story if you keep your Mac until it dies (7+ years).

I remember that last time (transition to Intel) the MacOS support was only for 3-4 years.

 

[krazzix]

This new "iPad Pro design" thing got me thinking. I think we're going to see a new case that will look a lot like the XDR display, with a flat back, and with the new lattice pattern on the back for improved cooling. And with a default non-adjustable stand that can be replaced with a Vesa mount or the Pro Stand.

Now here's a crazy thought: What if the complete back of the iMac can be taken off, and you can access the RAM, SSD, GPU and CPU! So no more needing to take the screen off when you want to change something. Now that would be an iMac Pro. RDNA2 GPU's coming next year? No problem, just take the back off the iMac and put the new one in. Isn't this at least theoretically possible? I know, it won't happen, but one can dream right? ?

 

[gusping]

Pretty certain the answer will be no since it's not included in the MacPro.... but just for fun.... Touch Bar for iMac Keyboard?

Please no. Physical keys for life!
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This new "iPad Pro design" thing got me thinking. I think we're going to see a new case that will look a lot like the XDR display, with a flat back, and with the new lattice pattern on the back for improved cooling. And with a default non-adjustable stand that can be replaced with a Vesa mount or the Pro Stand.

Now here's a crazy thought: What if the complete back of the iMac can be taken off, and you can access the RAM, SSD, GPU and CPU! So no more needing to take the screen off when you want to change something. Now that would be an iMac Pro. RDNA2 GPU's coming next year? No problem, just take the back off the iMac and put the new one in. Isn't this at least theoretically possible? I know, it won't happen, but one can dream right? ?

What have you been smoking? Even a 32in iMac is a dream, let alone upgradable GPUs!

 

[Moonjumper]

This new "iPad Pro design" thing got me thinking. I think we're going to see a new case that will look a lot like the XDR display, with a flat back, and with the new lattice pattern on the back for improved cooling. And with a default non-adjustable stand that can be replaced with a Vesa mount or the Pro Stand.

Now here's a crazy thought: What if the complete back of the iMac can be taken off, and you can access the RAM, SSD, GPU and CPU! So no more needing to take the screen off when you want to change something. Now that would be an iMac Pro. RDNA2 GPU's coming next year? No problem, just take the back off the iMac and put the new one in. Isn't this at least theoretically possible? I know, it won't happen, but one can dream right? ?

That would also give the benefit of being able to clean the iMac internally. An iMac is already limited thermally, but it gets worse if the ventilation is clogged with dust over time.

 

[iPadified]

9to5MAc says new filings of computer in the Euroasian DB likely iMacs.

 

[gusping]

9to5MAc says new filings of computer in the Euroasian DB likely iMacs.

It’s happening!

Really looking forward to WWDC this year. Plenty of interesting things to be announced.

 

[DrRadon]

Now here's a crazy thought: What if the complete back of the iMac can be taken off, and you can access the RAM, SSD, GPU and CPU! So no more needing to take the screen off when you want to change something. Now that would be an iMac Pro. RDNA2 GPU's coming next year? No problem, just take the back off the iMac and put the new one in. Isn't this at least theoretically possible? I know, it won't happen, but one can dream right? ?

The thing with the GPU in (at the very least) most Apple Computers is that they are not a classic graphics card. They are just integrated into the MainBoard with all their RAM spread out and using the iMacs fans for cooling. So having a exchangeable GPU would increase the Bulk of the overall machine by a lot and we both know apple won't have that.

As for the removal of the entire back, i personally would prefer a larger part of the back as some of the parts inside an iMac are actually deadly if you touch them in the wrong moment. There is no good reason not to approach it like that except for "Apple won't have it".
In total all we can hope for is a RAM door anyway as the machine likely brings T2 SSDs and makes those non user upgradable just because we can't get that hardware. If you could just remove a huge back plate it would impact the design less, you could probably build it around the cuts they might have to make for ventilation. But i somehow doubt they will.

 

[krell100]

There is no way they will make any parts user upgradeable in a new iMac. I highly doubt the ram door will stay. Apple is all about locking it down and making it extremely difficult if not impossible to upgrade yourself.

 

[fokmik]

So, if possible, would be wise to wait for the ARM iMac next year...

what if the 27" imac arm will come in 2 or 3 years?

 

[Dosing]

One model number would suggest perhaps only a new 23"? I really hope we're getting a 27" too.

 

[FrankySavvy]

One model number would suggest perhaps only a new 23"? I really hope we're getting a 27" too.

I was thinking that too, what have they done in the past?

 

[jjDevt]

One model number would suggest perhaps only a new 23"? I really hope we're getting a 27" too.

hmm, this would be disappointing for me. If there is redesign usually Apple updates the „premium“ version first. Also would match better with the long shipping times for the 27inch.

On the other hand there was the 23inch redesign rumor by Gurman a few months ago...

 

[FrankySavvy]

It would be interesting if they did the following:

27” iMac (Current) would be discontinued.

23” iMac (Redesign) introduced to replace the entire iMac lineup.

This would give more reason for people to get the iMac Pro if you wanted the bigger display. A redesigned iMac Pro would launch Later this year, perhaps 30” or 32” to match the Pro Display XDR size.

Has Apple ever launched a product without filing in the Euroasian database?

 

[pldelisle]

It would be interesting if they did the following:

27” iMac (Current) would be discontinued.

23” iMac (Redesign) introduced to replace the entire iMac lineup.

This would give more reason for people to get the iMac Pro if you wanted the bigger display. A redesigned iMac Pro would launch Later this year, perhaps 30” or 32” to match the Pro Display XDR size.

Has Apple ever launched a product without filing in the Euroasian database?

They would have to drastically drop the price of the iMac Pro. A LOT of people buy the 27". The 21.5 is kind of an entry level desktop, even in its highest end tier. I personally doubt they would do this. They would shoot themselves in their feet.

 

[jjDevt]

It would be interesting if they did the following:

27” iMac (Current) would be discontinued.

23” iMac (Redesign) introduced to replace the entire iMac lineup.

This would give more reason for people to get the iMac Pro if you wanted the bigger display. A redesigned iMac Pro would launch Later this year, perhaps 30” or 32” to match the Pro Display XDR size.

Has Apple ever launched a product without filing in the Euroasian database?

I would assume you have to register every product there.

really hope they don’t do what you suggested although you never know. The price difference is huge. Don’t think they would get any Consumers to buy the Pro at that price point.

 

[FrankySavvy]

Very true, but would they update just one model and not the 27”? Could the one model number have variants for screen size?

 

[xgman]

One model number would suggest perhaps only a new 23"? I really hope we're getting a 27" too.

maybe the reverse

 

[Azrael9]

I don't see anything strange in it at all.

Apple get to double dip. First for the new design this year and then for ARM later.

True. Whilst any 'over due' iMac design may impress this WWDC, I'm confident an 'iMac Air' version with Mac ARM in it will be even more dramatic.

Another example of this double dipping was when Craig quipped, 'We want you to buy a Mac and sell you an iPad as well...'

Progress of the latest cool design $$$. It's driven the Mac and iOS profit machine for how long now?

Azrael.
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what if the 27" imac arm will come in 2 or 3 years?

It will blow the 'new' iMac out the water.

Intel have hit and thermal and performance wall. We're getting an old RDNA1 gpu.

3 years of Mac ARM cpu/gpu progress will beat the tar out of that. Handily. A16X chip...?

Will destroy it. And will be 'super cool' whilst doing so.

Azrael.
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The thing with the GPU in (at the very least) most Apple Computers is that they are not a classic graphics card. They are just integrated into the MainBoard with all their RAM spread out and using the iMacs fans for cooling. So having a exchangeable GPU would increase the Bulk of the overall machine by a lot and we both know apple won't have that.

As for the removal of the entire back, i personally would prefer a larger part of the back as some of the parts inside an iMac are actually deadly if you touch them in the wrong moment. There is no good reason not to approach it like that except for "Apple won't have it".
In total all we can hope for is a RAM door anyway as the machine likely brings T2 SSDs and makes those non user upgradable just because we can't get that hardware. If you could just remove a huge back plate it would impact the design less, you could probably build it around the cuts they might have to make for ventilation. But i somehow doubt they will.

It seems SoCs are the future..? Re: tiny logic boards and iG on Macbooks, MacMini, soldiered SSDs etc. Non upgradability. IS this the way it's going?

And we're back to proprietary kit. Over generic PC kit.

*looks at the PS5. Isn't that just a 'SoC?' Launch of PS5. Tonight. BST. 9 pm?

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

It will blow the 'new' iMac out the water.

Intel have hit and thermal and performance wall. We're getting an old RDNA1 gpu.

3 years of Mac ARM cpu/gpu progress will beat the tar out of that. Handily. A16X chip...?

Will destroy it. And will be 'super cool' whilst doing so.

Azrael.
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It seems SoCs are the future..? Re: tiny logic boards and iG on Macbooks, MacMini, soldiered SSDs etc. Non upgradability. IS this the way it's going?

And we're back to proprietary kit. Over generic PC kit.

*looks at the PS5. Isn't that just a 'SoC?' Launch of PS5. Tonight. BST. 9 pm?

Azrael.

And the mighty Azrael will buy it because he is gagging for a new iMac

Looking forward to the PS5 launch tonight. Curious to see the true power of NVME SSDs in games, plus RDNA2.

 

[Azrael9]

It seems a little strange to redesign the iMac and throw Intel parts in it now, just to announce ARM is coming. Along with such news, Id imagine they would just spec bump the current one with 9th gen across the board.

Idk. My current iMac is the mid 2007 so Im getting whatever they release, but I do think others may have reservations about shelling out thousands for a machine that most likely wont be supported for very long.

Yes. Same boat. Getting what ever they release.

The new iMac I buy after WWDc will be a legacy machine. I know that. I'll probably get 4 years out of it, at least.

Before the A16X's performance begins to taunt me...

Strange. Transitions are. Steve Jobs himself sold PPCs knowing full well the Intel transition was coming. He told the WWDC conference Apple's plans. And then you have to make a choice. It took them just 7 months and PPC was 'history' bar OS support for a several years.

It comes down to if you need to buy 'now.' A £2k iMac investment is £500 per year over 4 years. £10 per week. I can live with that.

Azrael.

 

[ssong]

there are 3 model numbers from a prior registration end of last year that haven't come to fruition yet. The new MBA and MBP13 updates came from that batch of registration. I reckon that we'll see spec updates for 21.5 and 27 and see a new ARM based 23inch dev kit with a new design.


EDIT: Although on revisiting the listing... the ones that were registered back then but unaccounted for are listed under portable personal computers

One thing worth noting is that based on the Eurasian Economic Commission’s cryptographic devices registration database there are still 3 Apple computers unaccounted for from existing models.

For context, these were registered August of 2019 and a few models mentioned here like A2179 and A2251 are the 2020 MacBook Air and 2020 MacBook Pro 13 models.

So given that A2147, A2158, and A2182 are still unaccounted for. Who knows, maybe we’ll get some updates.

Furthermore, this can be an indicator of some sort of a redesign (whether it be as big as a full redesign or as small as an internal cooling change), given that spec bumps typically keep the same model number.

On further thought, if anything this makes me think that a minor update with better cooling, newer camera, and a spec bump may be more likely given the timing of this.

 

[Azrael9]

And the mighty Azrael will buy it because he is gagging for a new iMac

Looking forward to the PS5 launch tonight. Curious to see the true power of NVME SSDs in games, plus RDNA2.

Yeah, that's one way to put it. I'll have to be careful I don't take someone's eye out...when I open my wallet.

The PS5 launch. *Anticipation.*

The SSD, IO and RDNA2 stuff seems very exciting.

It is a 'heavenly' preview of where maybe SoC, gpu, SSD, IO throughput tech' is going. And it will cost around £400-£500? To make consumers buy another 100 million consoles...that's what you have to try and give them. And whilst the PS4 was decent enough, the PS5 is more than an evolutionary step.

Tech' has been 'sand bagging' somewhat over the last 5 years or so. We've been over due a 'leap.' And that's why I've been keeping my eye on the PS5.

The Unreal 'Lara Croft' style open world demo' showed that 'corridor' load sequences are out...and expansive new worlds are in. A breath taking demo' previewing a 'brave' new world.

Azrael.
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If we look back at the PowerPC -> Intel transition, Steve Jobs announced it in June 2005. First model was announced in January 2006. On August 2009, Snow Leopard was released with Intel-only support. So it last 3 years.

Sounds about right. They sold PPCs until they didn't. Then it was Intel.

Soon it will be Mac ARM.

I expect Apple to be no less efficient...or 'ruthless' in axing legacy hardware. I guess 3 years, some may consider 'fair' warning...

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

Yeah, that's one way to put it. I'll have to be careful I don't take someone's eye out...when I open my wallet.

The PS5 launch. *Anticipation.*

The SSD, IO and RDNA2 stuff seems very exciting.

It is a 'heavenly' preview of where maybe SoC, gpu, SSD, IO throughput tech' is going. And it will cost around £400-£500? To make consumers buy another 100 million consoles...that's what you have to try and give them. And whilst the PS4 was decent enough, the PS5 is more than an evolutionary step.

Tech' has been 'sand bagging' somewhat over the last 5 years or so. We've been over due a 'leap.' And that's why I've been keeping my eye on the PS5.

The Unreal 'Lara Croft' style open world demo' showed that 'corridor' load sequences are out...and expansive new worlds are in. A breath taking demo' previewing a 'brave' new world.

Azrael.

Yep, £400-500 for PS5. Xbox Series X may be slightly more, unless MS are willing to take a bigger hit. I think both will be exceptional value for money.

Yes, that Unreal Engine tech demo was great, although it was running at 1440p@30fps. I can’t play games at 30fps anymore (especially FPS as i get headaches), so hopefully devs start to prioritise frame rate more. I do really like the idea of PC gaming, but i still hesitant to go down that route for many reasons, the OS being one.