I have to agree with gusping, if there are iMacs that have been ready to go since March, I can’t believe they are the same iMacs as the redesigned iMacs. I think either one or more of the rumors we’re working off are incorrect or something else is going on.
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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I have to agree with gusping, if there are iMacs that have been ready to go since March, I can’t believe they are the same iMacs as the redesigned iMacs. I think either one or more of the rumors we’re working off are incorrect or something else is going on.
Agree - without question some of the rumors are incorrect. That's assumed with rumors and how they change as they are repeated.
But why would the iMac plan be any different between March and June? These roadmaps are laid out years in advance. And Apple is well-known for not jumping at the absolute latest spec. No, what Apple knows in June about iMac redesign is what they also knew in March, with some adjustments needed for timing.
Depends on what 'done' or 'ready' means. The design direction would clearly have to 'ready.' Maybe they've been waiting on Intel cpu supplies or new BIGGER (!) screen sizes...
But yes. If they've been 'ready' to 'ship' in boxes? What's the hold up? 'Dressage' at WWDC?
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Aye. It can mean many things depending on how we read teh 'tea leaves.'
Azrael.
there are about 3 more models that aren't allocated to a device that's been released from the August 2019 listing. That's also the same listing that has some of the MBA and MBP models, the January ones were supplementary listings for diff configs supposedly
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That may be slightly out of their control as March is around when there were issues with the global supply chain due to restrictions with flights etc.
While a lot of companies run dedicated cargo flights one cannot underestimate the amount of cargo flowing through regular commercial flights that were essentially grounded internationally.
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I think the March event was for the spec bump for the existing lineup and I think the 23 inter was always intended to be announced in WWDC. If it has any bearing on the shift to ARM the WWDC is the only sensible time for announcement
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March for a spec bump...for both 21 and 27 inchers...
...and a 'new' design 3 months later? *Quizzically.*
Azrael.
What I really want from WWDC is to let me know that now I can use full Xcode on my iPad pro AND a ARM simulator will come with it 
As for the iMac whatever size it comes in I just hope apple improved the thermals and there are no real issues with it so I can get it in a few months without having to wonder how long will it work before it will hit genius bar.
As for the iMac whatever size it comes in I just hope apple improved the thermals and there are no real issues with it so I can get it in a few months without having to wonder how long will it work before it will hit genius bar.
I hope they dont pull what they did with the mac pro. Announced at WWDC and then released at the end of december.
We've had two 'top' leakers say it's coming at WWDC. That's pretty much a lock for 'Hello.'
Shipping (as per the March, June, 2nd half speculation) variation has come from the interpretation of the tea leaves.
Apple's track record on alu iMacs is updating them at the same time. I don't expect that to change.
Also. 27 being 'out of stock' by the end of June tells it's own tale.
Products these days are 'shipping straight' away with nominal delays for some products.
It's a mainstream product. So any delay beyond July. Doubt it.
All the specs are pretty much a lock. 23 incher. And if that's getting a footprint screen boost then points to the 27 incher getting the same treatment. That said. The Macbook got the 16 inch boost from 15. But the 13 inch didn't go to 14 inches this time. But that's good news. As Apple boosted the size of the 'flag ship' that time.
And the 27 inch iMac is the flagship of the desktop line as far as sales go. It's the star of the show.
Chances are Apple still have a few surprises close to its chest re: the iMac.
Azrael.
I did qualify that with 'If it has any bearing on the shift to ARM'
It's like just because Sony announced that the PS5 is coming it didn't stop them from releasing special edition PS4 before it comes out this Christmas. If the 23rd inch is on the off chance positioned as the next-gen transition to ARM then it makes sense to have a spec bump in March then a release of a new 23 inch Mac .The context is different here as the 23 wouldn't be positioned as a redesign of the 21.5 but instead be introduced as the next gen product category for an ARM iMac. Which later down the road closer to the formal switch over to ARM chips, they can consolidate iMac Pro and iMac 27 into a single 27 / 32 ARM iMac.
I just don't think that Apple is going to magically stop selling 21.5 when they still have enough stock for decent delivery dates, and the 27 has been low on stock for over a month now, I think that's just supply chain constraints.
If the 23 was indeed meant as a redesign of the 21.5 then it wouldn't make sense that the 27 gets left out and it further wouldn't make sense that they spent that much on R&D on a design that's not suitable for an ARM chip (assuming the 23 comes with Intel).
Unlikely.
The Mac Pro had already dragged on between the old tower and the new Trash Can.
And REALLY disgracefully drawn out between the 'CAN' and the Mac Pro.
It clearly wasn't a high priority product.
The iMac is. It's the flagship of the desktop line. Sales. Design.
The iMac Pro and Mac Pro and even Mini are niche products by comparison.
The iMac has had historic delays. But they have been exceptional to the rule.
The run out of inventory Steve Jobs iMac. And the lamination process delaying the other delayed iMac that I recall. (Maybe that's why my '2012' iMac shipped to me in Jan' 2013...)
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I did qualify that with 'If it has any bearing on the shift to ARM'
The context is different here as the 23 wouldn't be positioned as a redesign of the 21.5 but instead be introduced as the next gen product category for an ARM iMac. Which later down the road closer to the formal switch over to ARM chips, they can consolidate iMac Pro and iMac 27 into a single 27 / 32 ARM iMac.
I just don't think that Apple is going to magically stop selling 21.5 when they still have enough stock for decent delivery dates, and the 27 has been low on stock for over a month now, I think that's just supply chain constraints.
If the 23 was indeed meant as a redesign of the 21.5 then it wouldn't make sense that the 27 gets left out and it further wouldn't make sense that they spent that much on R&D on a design that's not suitable for an ARM chip (assuming the 23 comes with Intel).
The PS5 is fall coming in time for Christmas.
iMac 21 and 27. Inventory is draining.
Both 23/30 inch iMacs announced at WWDC.
Shipping July.
ARM. Dev' box/laptop likely for Dev's at WWDC.
Shipping Mac ARM. 2021.
Azrael.
We've been waiting a while for it. I think that will come with Mac ARM. So who knows. Maybe they'll preview Mac ARM OS '11' at WWDC...
Azrael.
It needs to be more or lesshybrid. You can't sell 4000€ macs with outdated os. I think i read windows 10 is on ARM in a hand full of machines already?
But the 21 incher would be the same 4k as the 24 incher?
The 23 incher is muted as making iMac as more affordable. So a £999 24 incher would be great.
If they keep the 21 incher? Make it £799. With a 256 gig SSD.
More likely Apple simplifies the line, screen size wise.
Azrael.
Yes. Agreed. This seems most likely to me as well, with some small part of the probability pie chart that the 30 is larger or stays at 27. Can't completely rule those out, but a small bump to 29/30 seems highest probability.
Isn't WIndows shipping with ARM code in it? :O :?
Apple have done hybrid code before. Then they strip it out later after it's served it's purpose. Just as they'll strip Intel out after it's served its purpose.
Apple can and will sell and outdated OS. As they'll sell this 'new' legacy Mac Intel to me. They brutalise my wallet. They're happy and I'm...
...well. I'll enjoy the 'new' iMac. I love Macs.
I'll love them more with Mac 'ARM' 'inside.' Dugh-duh-du-da.
Azrael.
Perhaps. But it wouldn't be the 1st product delayed for marketing or numerous other reasons. eg. ATV with A12x.
There's nothing bleeding edge in any of the components predicted. Some doubts may be had over Intel cpu or Monitor displays re: current context.
But they managed to supply the iPhone out of established parts. And that's on a far greater scale.
After the March event cancellation...WWDC is the next big show pony.
And the timing (for that) is 'just right' said Goldilocks.
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Yes. They kept it the 'same' in terms of outward facing.
But the move to Mac 'ARM' cpus is something special. I get the feeling they've been stalling the naming on Mac OS for sometime now... It won't be the 1st time Apple have rebranded Mac OS or the other OSes...around the 'each product' as part of the Apple family idea. Numerically, it would be a fresh start. They could save it for when the transition is complete. Interesting. 11 or not?
Azrael.
I reckon 21.5 stays with a $100 price drop making it the 'cheapest iMac' starting at $999
23 would have to be ARM... I just can't picture Apple spending money on R&D for a full redesign (unless it's bezel shrinkage) based on a thermal spec that going to be outdated within a year. They're gonna ride out the rest of the intel years with the current design and introduce a new design for ARM.
having a 23 ARM and a 12 ARM would make sense to an extent as it allows them to test two different use cases with possibly two different types of chips?
Based on the PPC to Intel transition I think it's no secret Apple has been working on this for a while and the last few years of trying to make certain apps work with macOS is one of the tickets they had to complete before hitting the milestone I think.
I reckon 21.5 will get a 10th gen BTO option, maybe spec bumps to 16, but I do think the 23 won't come in an intel flavour. that's just too much money wasted for a device with the wrong spec
I submitted my game, but didn't expect to hear back. It has a different feel to all the Arcade games I tried. There is also the fact that it was designed for ad monetisation, not premium.
Hopefully it will see some success so I can afford a great redesigned iMac.
They already switched from OSX to MacOS. It keeped the old version number, but OSX is no more.
Apple could have moved the 8th generation CPU-equipped models to 9th generation, but the 27" BTOs were already on 9th generation. And Intel did not release the 10th Generation until late May.
The 23" I could very well see on 9th Generation because it is supposed to be "cheaper" (and it would still be an upgrade from the current 8th Generation in the iMacs).
As for ARM-powered Macs, I am convinced that will not launch until 2021 and when it does it will be a MacBook Air.