Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[fokmik]

I just feel that people put shiny shiny bling bling over what actually matters. Like, i don't mind, whatever, it's your money. But i just won't stage a breakdown over bezels that have zero effect on what i actually NEED.

Still people wants nice design also if they pay for premium things....what if a mercedes has the design of a renault but the price was still the same....again, Apple should make a nice design too...but again, lets not forget when apple did DESIGN OVER FUNCTION....and that was garbage...look what nice it looks but its almost not functional...
From apple we expect everything with very little compromises ..like you said, we need functionality first...and if that functionality is not compromised with a beautiful design ...thats perfect and thats what people wants and need from Apple Hardware-software-design

 

[jonblatho]

You talk about the current 27” being heavy, but that is because all the components are behind the screen.

No, the display assembly itself — the LCD panel and front glass, etc. — is very heavy. It’s probably the heaviest single component in the iMac by far, which is why I mentioned that if you’ve removed it from the machine (say, to upgrade your Fusion Drive to an SSD ) you know it’s very heavy. Probably too heavy to give it its own enclosure and stick it on an arm, at least to the specifications Apple would probably want.

 

[Jamacfer]

This morning the hard disk of my iMac 27” late 2013 died...so now on 22/6 I do need a new (great) one!

 

[DrRadon]

This morning the hard disk of my iMac 27” late 2013 died...so now on 22/6 I do need a new (great) one!

You can try calling Apple. For me they actually payed the service even after apple care ran out, saying that a HDD should not die like that. I was lucky because i immediately had someone on the phone who had the position to make that call, he gave me an appointment with a nearby Apple Service Provider and they even put in a SSD i brought them while i keeps Apples replacement HDD.
If you are nice to these callcenter people some of them can be a lot more helpful than others, it might even be worth calling 2-3 times till you get someone who is in a high mood and has some power.

 

[Moonjumper]

No, the display assembly itself — the LCD panel and front glass, etc. — is very heavy. It’s probably the heaviest single component in the iMac by far, which is why I mentioned that if you’ve removed it from the machine (say, to upgrade your Fusion Drive to an SSD ) you know it’s very heavy. Probably too heavy to give it its own enclosure and stick it on an arm, at least to the specifications Apple would probably want.

Sorry I misunderstood your post.

I have not held the glass from an iMac, but I have the glass from a 32" monitor and it didn't seem that heavy, plus Apple have got lots of experience working with glass suppliers who provide thin and performant glass for their iOS devices. If Apple wanted a design where weight was an issue, they would have options. The largest iMac G4 had a 20" screen with material beyond that would allow the screen to be at least 22" within that frame. Add in it had heavier CCFL backlighting, plus there has been 18 years of materials improvements since that design was introduced. I have no doubt it could work.

My main reason for wanting a G4 style is the ergonomics, which is something no Mac has matched since the iMac G4 (although you can if you use a non-Apple monitor with a Mac mini). For correct ergonomics the user's eyes should be level with the top of the screen. I am looking up at the top of the screen, and I'm sure many others are also. Height adjustment to reasonable levels should be part of the design. It doesn't have to be a G4 inspired design, but there should be height adjustment at least.

 

[Icaras]

I just feel that people put shiny shiny bling bling over what actually matters. Like, i don't mind, whatever, it's your money. But i just won't stage a breakdown over bezels that have zero effect on what i actually NEED.
as soon as there is a new iMac I will buy it, because I need it to work, even if it only turns out to be a specs bump Without a redesign.

Of course I care about functionality too. I have been ready to upgrade to an all SSD Mac with a Retina display for far too long now, but this is Apple we’re talking about here. Not Dell, Lenovo, or Acer. This is a company who has focused on design more than any other company in this market. Have you seen any Jony Ive’s product videos at all? Half the running time is literally dedicated to talking about just design. One of their shining moments for example was when they announced the unibody for the Macbook line and they couldn’t stop talking about it.

Here are some other examples: In Isaacson’s book, Jobs talks about making sure that the memory chips were aligned perfectly inside the Apple I because he said it looked “ugly” and even had the entire team sign the circuit board where no mere mortal would probably see. In multiple Keynotes, he also loved to talk about the backside of a Mac looking better than the front of a competitor’s product. And in the first iMac unveiling keynote, look at the kick he gets from talking about its design. Dropping the link to that legendary keynote btw:

There are many more examples in Apple’s long history. Excellent design is in their DNA and they have built high expectations. If you’re coming from the PC world or you’re relatively new to Apple I can understand why you might find it baffling, but it’s simply a part of the Apple experience.

 

[Azrael9]

Either way

Ryan.

the new iMac

Ryan.

is going to look

Ryan.

great in either size

Ryan.


Just trying to fit this thread’s aesthetic and lighten the mood a bit 😂

Welcome to the thread, Master Bates.

The iMac will be 'new', 'is going to look' (with new i-Ball tech'?) and going to be 'great in either size.'

Instant buy.

Azrael.

 

[ryanbates]

Welcome to the thread, Master Bates.

The iMac will be 'new', 'is going to look' (with new i-Ball tech'?) and going to be 'great in either size.'

Instant buy.

Azrael.

😂 just teasing mate. I’ve been silently on the thread for awhile. But yes, I’m sure most of us here will be instant buying it for sure.

 

[Azrael9]

As for ARM-powered Macs, I am convinced that will not launch until 2021 and when it does it will be a MacBook Air.

It would make sense.

The Macbook 'Air' is a well loved and popular design.

That's the kind of product that would get a real boost from something like a A14x. CPU and GPU.

Push this to 'all' day batter life and then some...

And for it's target usage of 9/10 'things' that 'most' people do...the A chip would make it smooth as butter.

Price it for 'mass' adoption. £799 and £999. 12 inch. 14 inch.

With the iPad's marzipan initiative, by the time it launches...

(That's what the WWDC is for, to iron out the 'translation' to 'Mac' app kinks for iPad software. So you don't get a dearth of software on a 'Mac' ARM product like what happened with RT Windows ARM.)

There will be a boat load of software for this 'Mac' ARM. And this kind of user probably has an iPhone and is on the 'App' store and cares less about 'Intel inside,' and traditional boat anchors like PS and M$ Word. (There are so many image editors now because of iPad and so many word pros...it's ridiculous.) So if Adobe and MS don't get with it...Apple will just highlight App Dev's at WWDC that can.

Easily sell a couple of million of them 1st quarter. This would be the fulcrum shift product to kick start the Mac ARM market.

Great call, CWallace. Like it.

And I think that's the device that paves the way for Mac ARM desktop iMac.

And between them that's most of the 5 million Mac sales.

Probably keep the designs initially and boost performance and efficiency. Then the designs will be (refined) 'ARMED' and dangerous to the iwallet the following year in 2022.

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

Of course I care about functionality too. I have been ready to upgrade to an all SSD Mac with a Retina display for far too long now, but this is Apple we’re talking about here. Not Dell, Lenovo, or Acer. This is a company who has focused on design more than any other company in this market. Have you seen any Jony Ive’s product videos at all? Half the running time is literally dedicated to talking about just design. One of their shining moments for example was when they announced the unibody for the Macbook line and they couldn’t stop talking about it.

Here are some other examples: In Isaacson’s book, Jobs talks about making sure that the memory chips were aligned perfectly inside the Apple I because he said it looked “ugly” and even had the entire team sign the circuit board where no mere mortal would probably see. In multiple Keynotes, he also loved to talk about the backside of a Mac looking better than the front of a competitor’s product. And in the first iMac unveiling keynote, look at the kick he gets from talking about its design. Dropping the link to that legendary keynote btw:

There are many more examples in Apple’s long history. Excellent design is in their DNA and they have built high expectations. If you’re coming from the PC world or you’re relatively new to Apple I can understand why you might find it baffling, but it’s simply a part of the Apple experience.

Excellent post. DESIGN. DNA. APPLE.

They've built up high expectations from their high expectations and examples. We, as Apple customers, should demand no less. After the Bondi iMac intro' and the blue and white G3 towers? I was never the same again. As Steve Jobs Apple whooped up one miracle of design after another. Whether iMac, iPod, Cube, Apple Store, Apple Website, the iSoftware or the superbly engineered Baus Haus G5 Tower. Or the iLamp.

So the pressure is on for the 'new' iMac. With me. Apple. It's about the whole package. (As one former female colleague once said to me... ) Software. Hardware. Design. Value. Performance. Price.

Love seeing those old Steve Jobs keynotes.

I will never forget him.

He was a special guy, our 'high priest.'

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

Question for you all. If Apple do reveal an updated iMac at WWDC, how will they reveal it given they are supposedly going to announce the ARM transition as well?

"ARM is our future, we think we can provide superior chips to existing Mac CPUs...(without naming Intel)"

"We're really excited to show off the new iMac today...they can be specced up to a 10-core i9 Intel CPU".

 

[Kjs100]

Question for you all. If Apple do reveal an updated iMac at WWDC, how will they reveal it given they are supposedly going to announce the ARM transition as well?

"ARM is our future, we think we can provide superior chips to existing Mac CPUs...(without naming Intel)"

"We're really excited to show off the new iMac today...".

I imagine they will announce the redesigned iMac first, focusing on all the beauty etc, and then announce ARM as "the future". They might even state that ARM will be introduced from next year, which would reduce any perceived outdatedness of the new iMac(s).

 

[DrRadon]

Of course I care about functionality too. I have been ready to upgrade to an all SSD Mac with a Retina display for far too long now, but this is Apple we’re talking about here. Not Dell, Lenovo, or Acer. This is a company who has focused on design more than any other company in this market. Have you seen any Jony Ive’s product videos at all? Half the running time is literally dedicated to talking about just design. One of their shining moments for example was when they announced the unibody for the Macbook line and they couldn’t stop talking about it.

Here are some other examples: In Isaacson’s book, Jobs talks about making sure that the memory chips were aligned perfectly inside the Apple I because he said it looked “ugly” and even had the entire team sign the circuit board where no mere mortal would probably see. In multiple Keynotes, he also loved to talk about the backside of a Mac looking better than the front of a competitor’s product. And in the first iMac unveiling keynote, look at the kick he gets from talking about its design. Dropping the link to that legendary keynote btw:

There are many more examples in Apple’s long history. Excellent design is in their DNA and they have built high expectations. If you’re coming from the PC world or you’re relatively new to Apple I can understand why you might find it baffling, but it’s simply a part of the Apple experience.

All of that is complete besides the point.

There either will not be a redesign or there will be (for the entire iMac line).
If there is a redesign smaller bezels will almost certainly be a thing.
Whatever is happening to the backside of a redesigned iMac certainly is uncertain and they made BAD decisions that still affect current day products before. Meanwhile no product ever has been ruined by having a Apple logo on it. Thats why i don't care about it. The computer won't be unusable because there is a Apple on the front of it.

You know what i would do if there was a Apple logo on the front of my new iMac that shots lasers and distracts my work? I would put a sticker on it. "Hello".

 

[fastlanephil]

It seems the original new 23” iMac release rumor was obviously incomplete or inaccurate with the back ordering times of the current 27” iMacs and the much shorter shipping times for the current 21.5” iMacs.

If you invert the number 23 you get 32 as in maybe 32” iMacs?

 

[Freida]

Your favourite person here :-D

I'll just say this as others mentioned very valid points so I won't repeat those.

Sure, people care about bling but your bias there doesn't allow you to see the bigger picture.
Some people will only care about the look and some people (hopefully most people here) will care about GREAT design.
And great design is also visual - let me explain a little further.

The bezels are huge - no doubt about that so great design here would be :
a) smaller bezels -> smaller overall 'box' on your desk = better product
b) smaller bezels -> bigger screen -> same 'box' on your desk = better product

I could go on and on about other things but people seem to be "marmite" divided on the bezels so I just use that.

Now, take into consideration that Apple is a premium brand with premium prices. You look at the competition and you look what you can get "specs" wise as that is important to you (as you've mentioned) so how do you justify the higher price from Apple for worse deal overall?

I'm not saying its only about design, NOT AT ALL. To me, a product in this category and status needs to be overall great product otherwise I'm wasting money or telling them that they can do whatever they want as I will still buy it. NOT GOOD!

Let me use another analogy just for fun.

If you go to McDonnalds and you pay $7 for a meal your expectations are completely different than if you got to Eleven Madison Park in NYC and spend $400 on a meal. I'm sure you would be 'demanding' more if they put on your plate the same meal as in McDonnalds.

Anyway, you get the idea. Most of us here want overall GREAT DESIGN which includes internals,externals, functionality etc. Thats what truly counts and thats what we should get!
No ifs, no buts!

I just feel that people put shiny shiny bling bling over what actually matters. Like, i don't mind, whatever, it's your money. But i just won't stage a breakdown over bezels that have zero effect on what i actually NEED.
as soon as there is a new iMac I will buy it, because I need it to work, even if it only turns out to be a specs bump Without a redesign.

 

[pldelisle]

A better solution would be to take the components of MBP16 and put them into a larger 23 inch case and cool these components silently also under max load.

This is call a laptop, not a desktop. No Sub-powered laptop parts in desktop form factor please !

 

[Freida]

Well,

see - as he mentioned. You give the impression that you are new to Apple and that you are coming from the PC world.

So my suggestion would be to soak it all in and understand why people here say what they say.
Here is the specific example:

Logo:

Its a big deal - if you put the Apple logo on the front then we KNOW it will not rotate!

Its that simple.

So something (super small in your eyes maybe) have huge implication for other things.

No logo = we might get rotation feature as in XDR
Logo = no rotation

That design decision will be entirely driven by the fact if they want the logo there or not.

All of that is complete besides the point.

There either will not be a redesign or there will be (for the entire iMac line).
If there is a redesign smaller bezels will almost certainly be a thing.
Whatever is happening to the backside of a redesigned iMac certainly is uncertain and they made BAD decisions that still affect current day products before. Meanwhile no product ever has been ruined by having a Apple logo on it. Thats why i don't care about it. The computer won't be unusable because there is a Apple on the front of it.

You know what i would do if there was a Apple logo on the front of my new iMac that shots lasers and distracts my work? I would put a sticker on it. "Hello".

 

[DrRadon]

Well,

see - as he mentioned. You give the impression that you are new to Apple and that you are coming from the PC world.

Yet i have been using only Apple since 2007. I know, i am with me all the time.
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This is call a laptop, not a desktop. No Sub-powered laptop parts in desktop form factor please !

The iMac very much has been a Laptop plenty of times when you look at the parts they used in the past. It uses it's real estate to be more than a MBP13inch but still looking at for example my "NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 512 MB" in the 2012 iMac is very specific downgraded from what was in the original card.
The XMG FUSION 15 (advertised "thinest gaming laptop ever") comes with Intel Core i7-9750H and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q 8GB. With that base configuration it eats most iMacs alive in terms of raw power for less than 1500€. The first iMac that can compete is 2599€ (granted it's also HD vs 27 inch retina at that point, but i am talking about the iMac being a Laptop pretty much due to it's super thin AIO design rather than more bang for your buck - you can that kind of power in a Laptop).
Compared to that you could get Intel Ires graphics at 1299€ wich just screams low cost Laptop, a HDD and 7th gen i5.
Its a laptop. A bad, very expensive, stational, laptop.

 

[Kalae]

I imagine they will announce the redesigned iMac first, focusing on all the beauty etc, and then announce ARM as "the future". They might even state that ARM will be introduced from next year, which would reduce any perceived outdatedness of the new iMac(s).

I know I’m an outlier, but I decided a year ago I wasn’t buying any more Intel Macs. Going to seem outdated to me no matter what PR spin they put on it.

 

[Phil77354]

Apple are going to announce a mainstream Mac. It's going to be ready to ship, pretty much immediately.

Agree. If my memory is correct, they announced the Mac Pro (last generation?) considerably ahead of when it shipped (over a year?), but that was not their bread-and-butter desktop.

If they do announce a new iMac, it will be shipping soon thereafter. Absolutely!

 

[John90976]

As someone who wants his cake and to eat it too (Mac OS, Windows Gaming, 4/5K RETINA QUALITY display), I must get whatever Apple produces, god willing the best intel iMac they have ever made. It will probably be the last. I will cherish this thing for a long time because when it's dead I'll have to get two computers.

I have faith though, I was able to play Battlefront 2015 on a 2015 4K iMac with Intel Iris Plus 1.5GB graphics, I can hold out for perfection, god willing Apple delivers for next few years with this update. Though, if RDNA2 is in the iMac Pro this year, and I dont see why not short of supply constraints, I may be flipping this consumer iMac refresh rather quickly.

 

[Phil77354]

Which won (sic) do you guys think Apple with go with? I personally like the reduced chin look.

I like the middle concept too. Gives them a place to put the Apple logo on the front of the machine.

 

[Kjs100]

I know I’m an outlier, but I decided a year ago I wasn’t buying any more Intel Macs. Going to seem outdated to me no matter what PR spin they put on it.

I dont see it being outdated until there is an alternative ARM iMac, which I think might not arrive until 2022. iMacs dont usually get updated every year, let alone after a redesign, so I think anyone wanting an ARM iMac might have quite a wait.

 

[Phil77354]

I also think that this might be the year they announce macOS 11.x.x

Won't they go from OS 10 to OS 11 when moving to ARM-power?? That would seem logical to me.

 

[CWallace]

Well they kept OS X for the PowerPC to Intel move so I could see it staying as macOS 10.x during the "transition versions", but I do like the idea of the first ARM-only version of macOS being macOS 11.0.