Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Freida]

Obsession in my day to day approach of work is what feeds me. Every detail counts and everything is scrutinised in dailies zillion times. You don't seem to understand it or you don't even "get it" why bezels might be a big deal for some but if you don't get it despite many attempts then why don't you just leave it?
You keep implying many things and when others explain that you are not considering everything you still go on and on about it. Its fine, you are ok with thick bezels and don't care. You are ok with Fusion drive and don't care.
Some do, so let them.
Ok?

Obviously it is. I just question that the obsession might point to some things in your day to day approach of work that might burn wallets were not needed.

 

[ernstinvisiblelubitsch]

Obviously it is. I just question that the obsession might point to some things in your day to day approach of work that might burn wallets were not needed.

it seems like a lot of people in this thread have kept using their iMacs for like 6-8 years, I think they’d get their moneys worth out of a thinner bezel redesign lol.

another thing I think you might be discounting is that a computer isn’t just a work tool, it‘s also how many people interact with the world (probably even moreso now because of COVID-19). a lot of people spend 8+ hours a day looking at their computer screens for work and entertainment, that’s like half of your entire visual intake for the day. if you’re going to be looking at one thing for half your waking hours for a number of years, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to allow aesthetics into your purchasing decision!

 

[DrRadon]

Can you imagine how derailed some people might get if there is a super thin bezel and a camera notch? 🧟‍😆

 

[gusping]

Can you imagine how derailed some people might get if there is a super thin bezel and a camera notch? 🧟‍😆

I’d honestly take that over the current huge bezels. They are truly hideous.

 

[krell100]

Can you imagine how unhinged people might get if its just a spec bump for now with an ARM iMac coming in 2021...

 

[Luis Ortega]

Bezels are an aesthetic attribute.

I think bezels are marketing nonsense designed to get people to spend money.

 

[ssong]

I think bezels are marketing nonsense designed to get people to spend money.

so you would buy the iPhone 8 over the iPhone X ?

there are other factors in the device that get enabled through a smaller bezel, to what extent they’re reduced is a different matter. But reduced bezels of any extent in an iMac would allow a larger display in the same footprint or the same display in a smaller footprint.

The emphasis from media and reviewers on thin bezels may make it sound like a marketing gimmick but I can assure you from a product stand point, they’re a testament to the technical decisions that went into enabling what the company believes to be the best UX through whatever design that is technically feasible at the time.

I mean look at all that empty space

https://is.gd/sv3xcO

 

[DrRadon]

so you would buy the iPhone 8 over the iPhone X ?

Proud iPhone SE (1) owner here. Just replaced the battery a few month ago. Not looking to trade up to a bigger phone anytime soon. Very happy to hear the rumor that it actually might have one more iOS cycle despite the SE 2 being sold right now. Mostly because that means it will stick around to be used as a test device for my hobbies Xcode adventures.

As one of my flatmates recently said, your phone is like a toaster, it already dos whatever you will ever need it to do. (yes, there are very few exceptions to the rule that might actually benefit from a 11 pro, i accept that *you* are one of them, millions of others would have been fine with their old toaster. )

 

[ssong]

Proud iPhone SE (1) owner here. Just replaced the battery a few month ago. Not looking to trade up to a bigger phone anytime soon. Very happy to hear the rumor that it actually might have one more iOS cycle despite the SE 2 being sold right now. Mostly because that means it will stick around to be used as a test device for my hobbies Xcode adventures.

As one of my flatmates recently said, your phone is like a toaster, it already dos whatever you will ever need it to do. (yes, there are very few exceptions to the rule that might actually benefit from a 11 pro, i accept that *you* are one of them, millions of others would have been fine with their old toaster. )

Totes understand that if it fits I sits logic but you compared size of the phones as one of the reasons.

Which is why I compared the 8 and the x whose footprint is largely the same.

If you could have a larger display in the same footprint as your SE, would you prefer that?

 

[gusping]

so you would buy the iPhone 8 over the iPhone X ?

there are other factors in the device that get enabled through a smaller bezel, to what extent they’re reduced is a different matter. But reduced bezels of any extent in an iMac would allow a larger display in the same footprint or the same display in a smaller footprint.

The emphasis from media and reviewers on thin bezels may make it sound like a marketing gimmick but I can assure you from a product stand point, they’re a testament to the technical decisions that went into enabling what the company believes to be the best UX through whatever design that is technically feasible at the time.

I mean look at all that empty space

https://is.gd/sv3xcO

That one fan makes me cry. Whoever thought that could work on modern i7/i9s should be shot.

PS. I have the upmost respect for someone who can use a phone with such large bezels in 2020 (e.g. iPhone 8 or SE). Just holding one of those devices in my hand makes me feel queasy.

 

[fokmik]

I think bezels are marketing nonsense designed to get people to spend money.

when you go 32" instead of 27" with very thin bezels in almost the same space as the current 27" imac but you gain screen estate, this is function meets design...and you get a win win...so, no, in some cases is not just marketing nonsense
also to have a iphone x "compact" size by today standards but with around 5.7 display instead of the huge bezels 4.7" display...again, the design meets the functionality, and here, being mobile, also meets the portability...
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Proud iPhone SE (1) owner here. Just replaced the battery a few month ago. Not looking to trade up to a bigger phone anytime soon. Very happy to hear the rumor that it actually might have one more iOS cycle despite the SE 2 being sold right now. Mostly because that means it will stick around to be used as a test device for my hobbies Xcode adventures.

As one of my flatmates recently said, your phone is like a toaster, it already dos whatever you will ever need it to do. (yes, there are very few exceptions to the rule that might actually benefit from a 11 pro, i accept that *you* are one of them, millions of others would have been fine with their old toaster. )

yes, but if apple offered you, on the same size, an 5.5" display...you appreciate the bigger real estate, on the same portability , so the design meets the functionality and portability. But they couldnt because of their price point. But here with the imac is another thing entirely
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The emphasis from media and reviewers on thin bezels may make it sound like a marketing gimmick but I can assure you from a product stand point, they’re a testament to the technical decisions that went into enabling what the company believes to be the best UX through whatever design that is technically feasible at the time.

I mean look at all that empty space

https://is.gd/sv3xcO

Agreed, i think people dont see the big picture, not just for individual, but for companies and so on

 

[DrRadon]

If you could have a larger display in the same footprint as your SE, would you prefer that?

I am the wrong person to ask that because i beat most of societies compulsions. Buying video games i don't want to actually spend time to play is probably my biggest issue in stupid spending.

In an effort to let my phone steal less of my time i reduced myself to just two screens of Apps, with most of them being related to things i actively need for living (think train tickets, bus tickets, several for online banking, several tan generators, some video/audio stuff) and with that reduction the need/desire to have a newer phone is pretty much reduced to "when these Apps stop working" after switching the dieing battery.

I just would have loved to know that the form factor will be keeped around for when that day eventually comes were the (App)toast dos not fit my toaster anymore. What screen you slap on it, i don't really care, it's in my pocked anyway. I just want it to fit my Apple ecosystem.
Right now it feels pretty dim with the 11 Pro being the smallest phone in the lineup, and with my reduced usage of smartphones i don't see myself dishing out 1150€... thats more than three times the price i ever payed for a phone. But maybe Apple gets enough Fan Mail and brings the 5S form back as the 13 ProMini or what not, maybe i am game if i need it and the price is not crazy.

Would i mind a edge to edge screen? No.
Do i feel the need to have it? No.
Do i feel that i want to pay 200€ extra on it? No way.
Do i think Apple might have to bring it if they reintroduce that form factor? Probably.

But i also feel like there is a major misunderstanding when it comes to people that buy the old or the current SE. Thats not the people that geek out in forums about benchmarks. They just want an iPhone.
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But they couldnt because of their price point.

Yeah, the entire point of the SE is that Apple can use production lines that have payed themselfs of for years. Introducing a new screen and new architecture essentially makes it a new phone. But we will see what they do, the smaller iPhone 11 Pro is a hint, the rumors to bring back brick edges in the 12 pro is a hint. We will see what the next years bring.

 

[Luis Ortega]

so you would buy the iPhone 8 over the iPhone X ?

Lol...I’m still on the 6plus and it works fine. Bezels and thinness are marketing nonsense.

 

[Moonjumper]

I am the wrong person to ask that because i beat most of societies compulsions. Buying video games i don't want to actually spend time to play is probably my biggest issue in stupid spending.

In an effort to let my phone steal less of my time i reduced myself to just two screens of Apps, with most of them being related to things i actively need for living (think train tickets, bus tickets, several for online banking, several tan generators, some video/audio stuff) and with that reduction the need/desire to have a newer phone is pretty much reduced to "when these Apps stop working" after switching the dieing battery.

I just would have loved to know that the form factor will be keeped around for when that day eventually comes were the (App)toast dos not fit my toaster anymore. What screen you slap on it, i don't really care, it's in my pocked anyway. I just want it to fit my Apple ecosystem.
Right now it feels pretty dim with the 11 Pro being the smallest phone in the lineup, and with my reduced usage of smartphones i don't see myself dishing out 1150€... thats more than three times the price i ever payed for a phone. But maybe Apple gets enough Fan Mail and brings the 5S form back as the 13 ProMini or what not, maybe i am game if i need it and the price is not crazy.

Would i mind a edge to edge screen? No.
Do i feel the need to have it? No.
Do i feel that i want to pay 200€ extra on it? No way.
Do i think Apple might have to bring it if they reintroduce that form factor? Probably.

But i also feel like there is a major misunderstanding when it comes to people that buy the old or the current SE. Thats not the people that geek out in forums about benchmarks. They just want an iPhone.
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Yeah, the entire point of the SE is that Apple can use production lines that have payed themselfs of for years. Introducing a new screen and new architecture essentially makes it a new phone. But we will see what they do, the smaller iPhone 11 Pro is a hint, the rumors to bring back brick edges in the 12 pro is a hint. We will see what the next years bring.

I also have an SE because the size in my pocket is more important than the screen size, but I would love a bigger screen within the same footprint, especially as my eyes age. Screen size is the important factor for my iMac, but smaller bezels are useful for those with limited space or multiple screens. Smaller bezels would have made a second screen possible with my last setup, and a third with my current desk.

Small bezels have benefits and no downsides. There are likely few cost differences unless pushing to the limit of what is possible, which is not what most people are asking for in an iMac.

 

[ssong]

Would i mind a edge to edge screen? No.
Do i feel the need to have it? No.
Do i feel that i want to pay 200€ extra on it? No way.
Do i think Apple might have to bring it if they reintroduce that form factor? Probably.

I think we may be talking about slightly different questions. My position was to merely challenge the though that ‘bezel-talk’ is merely a marketing gimmick.

Do I think people should buy something cos it’s fancier and shinier? No
Do I think some people do? Definitely
Do I think that it’s a marketing gimmick? Hell no

ultimately like with any feature in any modern device, the marketing team will do their best to spin it and the media will eat it up and do the same.

but when it comes to design choices by the product team building it, it really boils down to what they can and cannot do rather than what the marketing team can and cannot spin.
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Lol...I’m still on the 6plus and it works fine. Bezels and thinness are marketing nonsense.

It’s marketing nonsense if you look at the surface value but it’s far more if you literally open the machine up.

 

[Azrael9]

Question for you all. If Apple do reveal an updated iMac at WWDC, how will they reveal it given they are supposedly going to announce the ARM transition as well?

"ARM is our future, we think we can provide superior chips to existing Mac CPUs...(without naming Intel)"

"We're really excited to show off the new iMac today...they can be specced up to a 10-core i9 Intel CPU".

He's telling us then. And he's telling us now.

Azrael.

 

[CWallace]

That one fan makes me cry. Whoever thought that could work on modern i7/i9s should be shot.

The ones making modern i7s and i9s that pull 125-400 watts of power are the ones who should be shot.

So many complain about Apple making their computers so thin in the early 2010s that they are incapable of handing the heat of current generation CPUs and GPUs, yet either don't know or conveniently forget the roadmaps from Intel, NVidia and AMD at the time crowing that by now they would all be on 5nm or smaller processes and their chips would be putting out tens (as opposed to the current hundreds) of watts of thermal energy.

Of course, Apple wasn't the only one to fall for that trap. Dell, HP and Lenovo all released new super-thin models which are now roasting just as much (arguably more since they are all plastic so they can't even use the case to try and dissipate heat like Apple's aluminum can). I seriously can burn my hand if I keep it too close to the exhaust fan of a Lenovo Carbon X1 or Dell XPS. Their only saving grace is they still keep the "briefcase laptops" around that are thick enough to have fans, even though they too sound (and feel) like hair-dryers.

 

[gusping]

He's telling us then. And he's telling us now.

Azrael.

Phewwwww, a comment from Lord Azrael. I thought it would be a whole day without you responding to at least one of my comments

 

[ernstinvisiblelubitsch]

a toaster is a completely different use-case than a phone because you don’t physically handle and look at the toaster for every second you’re using it lol

 

[gusping]

The ones making modern i7s and i9s that pull 125-400 watts of power are the ones who should be shot.

So many complain about Apple making their computers so thin in the early 2010s that they are incapable of handing the heat of current generation CPUs and GPUs, yet either don't know or conveniently forget the roadmaps from Intel, NVidia and AMD at the time crowing that by now they would all be on 5nm or smaller processes and their chips would be putting out tens (as opposed to the current hundreds) of watts of thermal energy.

Of course, Apple wasn't the only one to fall for that trap. Dell, HP and Lenovo all released new super-thin models which are now roasting just as much (arguably more since they are all plastic so they can't even use the case to try and dissipate heat like Apple's aluminum can). I seriously can burn my hand if I keep it too close to the exhaust fan of a Lenovo Carbon X1 or Dell XPS. Their only saving grace is they still keep the "briefcase laptops" around that are thick enough to have fans, even though they too sound (and feel) like hair-dryers.

Fair point. I just think Apple have made many mistakes by making their devices (iPhones and Macs) too thin, and putting form over function. They are slowing realising this doesn't always pay off.
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a toaster is a completely different use-case than a phone because you don’t physically handle and look at the toaster for every second you’re using it lol

You're using your toaster wrong then....

 

[Azrael9]

I dont see it being outdated until there is an alternative ARM iMac, which I think might not arrive until 2022. iMacs dont usually get updated every year, let alone after a redesign, so I think anyone wanting an ARM iMac might have quite a wait.

I think the last transition covered the Macbooks and iMacs. The laptops sell way more. So I'd expect it to go in a Macbook Air as CWallace noted. It's never been a 'great' performer...but an A14x in it will give it a huge lift and look impressive for the target apps used by that buyer.

Macbooks (Air...) 1st. And the biggest selling desktop after. The A15X (next year?) will probably have enough grunt to put in the 24 inch iMac demographic. Will it be enough for 27 inch iMacs? Hard to say without see the benches.

Steve Jobs aimed for the transition (last time) to take two years...but it was done much sooner than that. 2022. With an A16X? (The Intel Doom Bringer, I should imagine...) At the latest. Will see the Macbooks and iMacs 'done' by then.

Azrael.
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I like the middle concept too. Gives them a place to put the Apple logo on the front of the machine.

The iPhone is Apple's biggest selling product and it's logo is on the back.

I think Apple are 'secure' enough now in their design identity to have the iMac chin less or logo less.

Eg. The XDR is identifiably Apple.

To me. It screams next gen iMac.

Azrael.
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a toaster is a completely different use-case than a phone because you don’t physically handle and look at the toaster for every second you’re using it lol

Hey...getting the right kind of toaster...is not as easy as I thought.

Perish the thought Apple would make one. They'd charge you a monthly sub for the bread. Per slice.

Azrael.
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Lord Azrael.

Damn straight.

I'll be signing my cheque with that 'nom de plume' for the new iMac.

Given how long I've waited for this 'new' iMac...I'd like Apple to roll out the red carpet for me outside their store...

(Probably signing the cheque in my own blood given how much Apple will charge for the BTO Ram and gpu prices...)

Azrael.
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Obsession in my day to day approach of work is what feeds me. Every detail counts and everything is scrutinised in dailies zillion times. You don't seem to understand it or you don't even "get it" why bezels might be a big deal for some but if you don't get it despite many attempts then why don't you just leave it?
You keep implying many things and when others explain that you are not considering everything you still go on and on about it. Its fine, you are ok with thick bezels and don't care. You are ok with Fusion drive and don't care.
Some do, so let them.
Ok?

Steve Jobs built that obsession into Apple's DNA. It's what brought them back from 'almost' extinction. He quipped, 'The back of our computer is better than the front of the other guys.' Hear we nothing that he says?

As artists, designers...creatives...'we' have to be obsessive about the way we see the world and how to improve it.

The intersection of tech' and art. Apple represents that better than most. Better than anyone when Steve was around.

We have to challenge our perceptions. Question everything.

'Luminous beings we are.'

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

The ones making modern i7s and i9s that pull 125-400 watts of power are the ones who should be shot.

So many complain about Apple making their computers so thin in the early 2010s that they are incapable of handing the heat of current generation CPUs and GPUs, yet either don't know or conveniently forget the roadmaps from Intel, NVidia and AMD at the time crowing that by now they would all be on 5nm or smaller processes and their chips would be putting out tens (as opposed to the current hundreds) of watts of thermal energy.

Of course, Apple wasn't the only one to fall for that trap. Dell, HP and Lenovo all released new super-thin models which are now roasting just as much (arguably more since they are all plastic so they can't even use the case to try and dissipate heat like Apple's aluminum can). I seriously can burn my hand if I keep it too close to the exhaust fan of a Lenovo Carbon X1 or Dell XPS. Their only saving grace is they still keep the "briefcase laptops" around that are thick enough to have fans, even though they too sound (and feel) like hair-dryers.

The cpu and gpu makers dropped the ball. It was like a desert of progress or half a decade or so.

Finally, with 16-64 core cpus and RDNA2 being democratised in the consoles, there's finally a big crest coming.

I can see 'why' Apple wants to move to Mac ARM for their products. In terms of what Tim Cook said last year, 'It cost us growth.' (referring to Intel not being able to supply them. And that's just on the products we know about. Also...probably for the products they have in their labs but can't ship without(!) a Mac ARM transition.)

It's no coincidence that there has been an explosion of water cooled and air cooled solutions for towers. Things are running hot.

Our toasters probably run cooler making Mac bread.

Azrael.
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Lol...I’m still on the 6plus and it works fine. Bezels and thinness are marketing nonsense.

I've got the 6S plus. (I think that's what it's called. )

It's a fine phone. But I stopped there. After 3 phones and 3 plans costing me the best part of £3 grand, I thought, 'What the hell am I doing?'

That's a fully loaded 5k iMac right there.

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

Damn straight.

I'll be signing my cheque with that 'nom de plume' for the new iMac.

Given how long I've waited for this 'new' iMac...I'd like Apple to roll out the red carpet for me outside their store...

(Probably signing the cheque in my own blood given how much Apple will charge for the BTO Ram and gpu prices...)

Azrael.

It is crazy how much Apple charges for BTO options. If a 5700 XT is an option, I can guarantee you it will be north of £400 (the price at which you can go on Amazon and purchase the full fat version). Sure, there is some 'custom' work going on to down clock it, and make it fit in the iMac, but come on.... Same goes for the CPU upgrades.
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It's no coincidence that there has been an explosion of water cooled and air cooled solutions for towers. Things are running hot.

There's an idea! iMac with a 360mm liquid cooler at the back. One for the CPU, another for the GPU. Cooling solved...

 

[Azrael9]

it seems like a lot of people in this thread have kept using their iMacs for like 6-8 years, I think they’d get their moneys worth out of a thinner bezel redesign lol.

Given the prices Apple charges. I fully expect Mac owners to rinse every last ounce of productivity out of their Macs.

7.3 years for me. I celebrate anyone who got more than me.

And now? I have to pay the piper for a new one.

Thinner bezels. It's called progress.

This iMac wouldn't have lasted this long under Steve Jobs. 'You could sink an oil tanker into those bezels.' Luke.

Smaller bezels. More footprint (ie space saving reduction or...) same footprint...MoAR screen size.

You compare the iMac bezels to the rest of the industry? It's a disgrace. It's a motif for failure...when even Panasonic have got you beaten on bezels.

Azrael.
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It is crazy how much Apple charges for BTO options. If a 5700 XT is an option, I can guarantee you it will be north of £400 (the price at which you can go on Amazon and purchase the full fat version). Sure, there is some 'custom' work going on to down clock it, and make it fit in the iMac, but come on.... Same goes for the CPU upgrades.
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There's an idea! iMac with a 360mm liquid cooler at the back. One for the CPU, another for the GPU. Cooling solved...

They charge more premium for a gpu that is lesser performing. It's an outrageous slight of hand. They pull the same crepe on upselling the ram upgrades for an extra two sticks of 8 gigs.

And Apple don't give you a discount for a 'no added sugar' version either. They strip out the fat but don't strip out the price of that. Which is what I call, *cheeky.* Bare faced.

I expect them to do dual fan iMac Pro system on cooling. I'm curious to see what they come up with, gusping.

Azrael.
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Proud iPhone SE (1) owner here. Just replaced the battery a few month ago. Not looking to trade up to a bigger phone anytime soon. Very happy to hear the rumor that it actually might have one more iOS cycle despite the SE 2 being sold right now. Mostly because that means it will stick around to be used as a test device for my hobbies Xcode adventures.

As one of my flatmates recently said, your phone is like a toaster, it already dos whatever you will ever need it to do. (yes, there are very few exceptions to the rule that might actually benefit from a 11 pro, i accept that *you* are one of them, millions of others would have been fine with their old toaster. )

To be fair, I missed my iPhone 4's 'fit in the hand' design when I got the iPhone 5.

For me, the iPhone 6S+...I kind of missed using my iPhone 5.

I've still got my iPhone 5 as back up.

Azrael.
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Can you imagine how derailed some people might get if there is a super thin bezel and a camera notch? 🧟‍😆

That camera notch would have had Steve Jobs apoplectic.

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

I think bezels are marketing nonsense designed to get people to spend money.

Well. It's all lies and truths.

Marketing is nonsense. And lot of it, Apple uses and keeps a straight face. Like comparing the gpu performance on a new model after leaving the last one to languish for 6 years. Simply outrageous.

Bezels. It's fashion. The iMac was fashion. (The 1st fashion computer.) It kept Apple alive.

And now. It's out of fashion.

Anybody here wearing 70s bell bottomed trousers in an era of skinny leg jeans? People tend to laugh at fashion that is ten years out of date.

But worse than that. It's a symbol of rinsing Mac owners of every penny whilst Apple are clandestinely moving onto the next big thing.

iStale. And that's not Steve's company. At all. He'd rather kill a product than do that.

Macs may becoming trucks. But they don't have to look 12 years out of date.

Azrael.
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If AMD can have a "Navi 10+" out now that can work in the iMac refresh, that would be great since Navi 21 is going to be a Mac Pro-only GPU, likely (I expect it will be too big and hot for the iMac Pro, but Navi 22 should be available by then).

I hope it is a + product with better thermals.

The RDNA2 won't be a Mac Pro only product for me. I fully intend on eGPU'ing it into the 'new' iMac. Far cheaper than....

...paying the £6k + (probable...) £1k Pro Tower and Apple Tax on GPU to get access to RDNA2.

Azrael.
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Fair point and of course there is always a solution but we all know Apple. Unless the logo is digital and it will rotate automatically Apple will not do it.
They are so obsessed about details that mechanical logo would not pass. In fact, if it did then I would dare to say that the Apple is dead.
The only way I can see them doing Apple logo is digital and it will shift positions but if they were going that direction then the would have done it on the XDR but at the same time it would make no sense.
But yeah, its technically possible. I just don't think its Apple possible

It's all about the detail. And that is obsession.

Or it certainly was under Steve Job's Apple.

The Mac Pro shows they (if not price wise...) are trying to honour that Job's obsession with design. Even with the Trash Can they tried.

And that shows that 'his' company still has a heart beat.

Azrael.
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The G3 Mac was for everyone, I think the 23 inch should be as well. Sure thing they will not use expensive mobile parts for that even if an "air" form factor would benefit from that.

I'd concur with that.

But id' like to see the price reflect the original iMac mandate.

£799-£1450. 23 inch. (I'd like to see one 21 inch at £499. HD model with i3 and a 'starter' 256 SSD. That's where we should be. But even under Steve's last few years...the iMac got thumped up from £695 to about £999 with the move to some nv gpus from the previous ATIs.)

For a moment in time, there were two or three iMac models under £1k.

And a couple over £1k.

The 'Air' model will probably come a year after the iMac gets the Mac ARM in it's pending new iMac chassis.

Stability in software 1st. Then the hardware will be a dramatic shockwave of design. That will blow away the PC industry.

Azrael.

AMD Next-Gen RDNA 2 'Navi 21' GPU Powered Radeon RX & RDNA 1 'Navi 10 Refresh' GPU Powered Radeon RX Graphics Cards Leaked

AMD seems to be readying several Radeon RX graphics cards based on its next-generation Navi 2X (RDNA 2) and Navi 10 Refresh (RDNA 1) GPUs.

wccftech.com

That was a very good summative read.

And it features the point about the RDNA1 having the 7nm refined process to increase efficiency on those product stacks. This will hopefully allow Apple to give us the 5700 XT performance with fewer compromises.