Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Icaras]

All of that is complete besides the point.

There either will not be a redesign or there will be (for the entire iMac line).
If there is a redesign smaller bezels will almost certainly be a thing.
Whatever is happening to the backside of a redesigned iMac certainly is uncertain and they made BAD decisions that still affect current day products before. Meanwhile no product ever has been ruined by having a Apple logo on it. Thats why i don't care about it. The computer won't be unusable because there is a Apple on the front of it.

You know what i would do if there was a Apple logo on the front of my new iMac that shots lasers and distracts my work? I would put a sticker on it. "Hello".

Funny, but in reality, Apple is trying to do exactly what you’re asking for in their design choices: minimize distraction. By miniaturizing the design, thinning the bezels away, thinning the product, etc., Apple has always tried to make the technology disappear in front of your eyes once you begin to use it. There’s focus on the design and then there’s not. It’s nuanced and subtle because there is an obvious high attention to detail in the design of the product but once the screen flickers to life, that very design is meant to disappear because of how simple and minimal the design is.

 

[iPadified]

This is call a laptop, not a desktop. No Sub-powered laptop parts in desktop form factor please !

"Mobile" is just a marketing gimmick. It is amazing how easy it is to upset people here when mentioning mobile. If you look carefully, there are mobile processors that outperform desktop processors such as the 35W comet lake desktop part. Use the correct processor for the work load at hand. I clearly specified home/office use and the i9 in the MBP is much more capable than that.

Are you really considering 10900K a proper desktop processor? It is a toy compared to a 28-core xeon. See how ridiculous that sounds? I was discussing a hypothetical slim 23 inch "air" I believe which, I think many would appreciate. What is best? A 35W desktop comet lake or a 45W Comet lake H chip is such hypothetical computer? It is about tiresome that the only iMac that is suitable to discuss here is a thick iMac that can cool 500W CPU/GPU. iMac Pro seem to be a good idea for that or perhaps the new 27 inch.

The G3 Mac was for everyone, I think the 23 inch should be as well. Sure thing they will not use expensive mobile parts for that even if an "air" form factor would benefit from that.

 

[Grohowiak]

...Are you really considering 10900K a proper desktop processor? It is a toy compared to a 28-core xeon. See how ridiculous that sounds?...

It doesn't sound ridiculous at all you just don't understand what means optimal performance for desired application.
Both are great desktop CPUs. One you wouldn't use for games the other for heavy rendering. Both require desktop sized components for proper output without having to be throttled down not to melt your system.
Also if you want to go down the rabbit hole, Xeon is technically considered as server grade chip.

 

[DrRadon]

Apple has always tried to make the technology disappear in front of your eyes once you begin to use it.

It dos. The bezels of my 21.5 inch 2012 iMac don't distract me at all. And they only distract you for reasons of procrastination instead of work.

Also i would argue that the way early switch to USB-C on the MacBooks dos the exact opposite. It makes more clutter appear, makes you carry stuff around to have the actually design work... its bad design compared to what came before, ad to that the butterfly keyboard wich they sold for years in a premium price computer... look at the trashcan MacPro... theres way more important things in a redesign than the size of the bezels. Way more important.

Now i wait for the next five people to tell me how important these bezels are again. xD

 

[CWallace]

"Optimal performance for desired application" is the point of offering different desktop models, isn't it?

The 21.5" iMac uses older-generation CPUs, maxes out at 32GB of RAM and 1TB of storage and until recently offered lower-end graphics.

The 27" iMac offers current-generation CPUs, more powerful GPUs, can be configured with up to 128GB of RAM via third-party options and 2TB of storage.

The iMac Pro offers up to 18-cores, 256GB of RAM, 4TB of ultra-fast storage and higher-end GPUs.

And then there is the Mac Pro with up to 28-cores, 1.5TB of RAM, cutting-edge graphics and 8TB of direct storage with options for even more via internal expansion bays and PCI-cards.

(I am not deliberately ignoring the Mac Mini here, but I consider it more a specialized system for specialized markets.)

 

[Phil77354]

. . . The bezels of my 21.5 inch 2012 iMac don't distract me at all. . . .

Same here (late 2014 iMac). Practically the only time I've noticed the bezels is since it became such a topic of discussion here!

Still, I fully expect the new iMac, however it looks, will suddenly make my 6-year old model look old. . .

 

[CWallace]

I'm not going to sneer at reduced bezels and chins, but I admit I don't notice the bezels on my iMac just as I don't notice them on my ASUS gaming monitor on top of my iMac (which are a fair bit thinner than the iMac). Then again, I did not notice the thick-ass ones on my old Sharp LCD TV for years nor the razor-thin ones on the LG OLED that replaced it.

Probably because I spend my time looking at the content on the screen and not the bezels.

 

[Kjs100]

Now i wait for the next five people to tell me how important these bezels are again. xD

The bezels are important 😁. My pc desk is against a wall, printer on right of desk, no room for bigger desk, bed other side. 27 iMac is 65 cm. I've literally about 66 cm of horizontal room for a monitor but it wouldn't sit in the centre of my desk and I'd be crammed against the left desk leg in my seated position. Reducing the bezels gives me the ability to centre the screen in my desk. And yes, I don't like big bezels anyway. Why would I want a big form factor in front of me? I'd far rather have an inch or two added to the back of the iMac, but Apple are thinness obsessed. On an iPad fair enough, but I totally don't need a thin desktop and I don't know who does. I never sit side on to my pc or bend round to look at it from the side.😊

 

[DrRadon]

The issue is not even that a more modern look requires thinner bezels, the fact just is that they will be thinner if the entire lineup gets a refresh and they won't be if parts of the lineup stick with the old design. There really is no debate on it.

 

[Icaras]

It dos. The bezels of my 21.5 inch 2012 iMac don't distract me at all. And they only distract you for reasons of procrastination instead of work.

We can certainly agree to disagree then. Thinner bezels would allow me to focus on the content even more so than before. The bezels on my 2012 27” iMac didn’t use to bother me before either but I’ve been spoiled by my iPhone, iPad Pro, and TV with ultra thin bezels that really focuses on the screen and very little else. When I jump from any of those aforementioned devices back to my iMac, those bezels are glaringly monstrous. It’s all in context.

 

[Phil77354]

We can certainly agree to disagree then. . .

Yes, and it's interesting that this is much more important to certain people, and inconsequential to others.

Those who have less space for their equipment also are more sensitive to the bezel size since it takes up space, and someone with multiple monitors obviously wants to be able to put them as close together as possible.

I have two monitors on my desk at my office, but I haven't been working there for over two months! I don't even recall how thin the bezels are (Dell monitors for my office tower computer), but I do know that when I set them up, I put them as close together and aligned / leveled as precisely as possible!

 

[Icaras]

Yes, and it's interesting that this is much more important to certain people, and inconsequential to others.

Those who have less space for their equipment also are more sensitive to the bezel size since it takes up space, and someone with multiple monitors obviously wants to be able to put them as close together as possible.

I have two monitors on my desk at my office, but I haven't been working there for over two months! I don't even recall how thin the bezels are (Dell monitors for my office tower computer), but I do know that when I set them up, I put them as close together and aligned / leveled as precisely as possible!

Great point on the multiple montior setup as I have the same setup at my office too. I had forgotten about that use case, but it's a perfect argument for thinner bezels! With a multi-monitor setup, you definitely want as little bezel as possible for a seamless experience.

Edit: Btw, love your avatar and that movie

 

[gusping]

If they are redesigning the iMac, there is absolutely no excuse not to address the bezels. You can't justify them in 2020, end of. The ONLY justification is that they add more space for the components inside, but we all know the current iMac is 50% empty inside, so that argument is dead.

 

[Phil77354]

Great point on the multiple montior setup as I have the same setup at my office too. I had forgotten about that use case, but it's a perfect argument for thinner bezels! With a multi-monitor setup, you definitely want as little bezel as possible for a seamless experience.

Edit: Btw, love your avatar and that movie

Thanks. One of my all-time favorites. It spurred my interest in classical music and Mozart, in fact, something that continues to this day and has given me decades of enjoyment.

 

[oosamon]

23" and 29"/30"?

These sizes make sense. Personally, I'd love to switch from my 27" to a new 23", as long as there's still a solid, discrete GPU...

 

[dn325ci]

It dos. The bezels of my 21.5 inch 2012 iMac don't distract me at all. And they only distract you for reasons of procrastination instead of work.

Also i would argue that the way early switch to USB-C on the MacBooks dos the exact opposite. It makes more clutter appear, makes you carry stuff around to have the actually design work... its bad design compared to what came before, ad to that the butterfly keyboard wich they sold for years in a premium price computer... look at the trashcan MacPro... theres way more important things in a redesign than the size of the bezels. Way more important.

Now i wait for the next five people to tell me how important these bezels are again. xD

We get it, man. You're not moved by bezels. It's not a big deal for me, either. But is it OK with you if others are?

Bezels are an aesthetic attribute. You keep trying to take an aesthetic item and determine it's value by it's function or utility. It's aesthetic. iMac is different things to different people. I've seen Windows companies put an iMac on the receptionist's desk just because they liked they way it looks. That's a purely aesthetic reason. You seem to be purely functional person. There is a spectrum of others in between. It's fine.

 

[askunk]

AMD Next-Gen RDNA 2 'Navi 21' GPU Powered Radeon RX & RDNA 1 'Navi 10 Refresh' GPU Powered Radeon RX Graphics Cards Leaked

AMD seems to be readying several Radeon RX graphics cards based on its next-generation Navi 2X (RDNA 2) and Navi 10 Refresh (RDNA 1) GPUs.

wccftech.com

It shows there will also be a refresh Navi 10. Therefore we may not get the 5700XT but a polished version of it in the highest specced model.
Production would have already started for AMD if they wanted to be ready in September, hence it is possible that AMD is reserving an early batch to Apple.

 

[richinaus]

We can certainly agree to disagree then. Thinner bezels would allow me to focus on the content even more so than before. The bezels on my 2012 27” iMac didn’t use to bother me before either but I’ve been spoiled by my iPhone, iPad Pro, and TV with ultra thin bezels that really focuses on the screen and very little else. When I jump from any of those aforementioned devices back to my iMac, those bezels are glaringly monstrous. It’s all in context.

100% agree- I sold my iMac Pro and one of the top 5 reason was the bezels - simply couldn't stand them.

Given I am in the market for a desktop again, this new iMac will definitely be of interest, especially if there is a 24" version, however more than likely I will get a Dell workstation to smash out my heavy workloads [more than half the price of a Mac Pro......]

 

[Grohowiak]

Selling a computer just cause a bezel rofl. I'm sorry, it's just funny.

 

[CWallace]

AMD Next-Gen RDNA 2 'Navi 21' GPU Powered Radeon RX & RDNA 1 'Navi 10 Refresh' GPU Powered Radeon RX Graphics Cards Leaked

AMD seems to be readying several Radeon RX graphics cards based on its next-generation Navi 2X (RDNA 2) and Navi 10 Refresh (RDNA 1) GPUs.

wccftech.com

It shows there will also be a refresh Navi 10. Therefore we may not get the 5700XT but a polished version of it in the highest specced model. Production would have already started for AMD if they wanted to be ready in September, hence it is possible that AMD is reserving an early batch to Apple.

If AMD can have a "Navi 10+" out now that can work in the iMac refresh, that would be great since Navi 21 is going to be a Mac Pro-only GPU, likely (I expect it will be too big and hot for the iMac Pro, but Navi 22 should be available by then).

 

[DrRadon]

But is it OK with you if others are?

Obviously it is. I just question that the obsession might point to some things in your day to day approach of work that might burn wallets were not needed.

 

[richinaus]

Selling a computer just cause a bezel rofl. I'm sorry, it's just funny.

Er - one of the top 5. No. 1 was I needed a laptop.......

 

[dn325ci]

Obviously it is. I just question that the obsession might point to some things in your day to day approach of work that might burn wallets were not needed.

Kinda judgmental, but OK fine.

 

[Moonjumper]

Its a big deal - if you put the Apple logo on the front then we KNOW it will not rotate!

I see your point, it is a good one, but I want to point one thing out. I have an early full-size Sony PlayStation 3. It can be positioned vertically or horizontally. The PS logo can be rotated so it is upright in either orientation, and is spring-loaded so it can only be in one position or the other. I can see Apple doing that exact kind of thing. Design details are important. I have a monitor in portrait next to my iMac, which puts the Acer logo the wrong way up, so I have a constant reminder of the issue.

 

[Freida]

Fair point and of course there is always a solution but we all know Apple. Unless the logo is digital and it will rotate automatically Apple will not do it.
They are so obsessed about details that mechanical logo would not pass. In fact, if it did then I would dare to say that the Apple is dead.
The only way I can see them doing Apple logo is digital and it will shift positions but if they were going that direction then the would have done it on the XDR but at the same time it would make no sense.
But yeah, its technically possible. I just don't think its Apple possible

I see your point, it is a good one, but I want to point one thing out. I have an early full-size Sony PlayStation 3. It can be positioned vertically or horizontally. The PS logo can be rotated so it is upright in either orientation, and is spring-loaded so it can only be in one position or the other. I can see Apple doing that exact kind of thing. Design details are important. I have a monitor in portrait next to my iMac, which puts the Acer logo the wrong way up, so I have a constant reminder of the issue.