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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

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  • 1st quarter 2020

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  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

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  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

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apparently, the Mac may be a notebook (the ARM MB for the developers?). The code is usually used by Apple for laptops. This may lead to a September availability of iMacs. One more possible scenario in favour of a new GPU ending in the iMac.
 
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apparently, the Mac may be a notebook (the ARM MB for the developers?). The code is usually used by Apple for laptops. This may lead to a September availability of iMacs. One more possible scenario in favour of a new GPU ending in the iMac.
I’m pretty sure the EEC number being an A2 is only to do with the numbers incrementing sequentially. There aren’t any patters across devices or device types.
Also the usual registration for MacBook Pro’s is ‘portable personal computer’ not ‘personal computer’
 
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apparently, the Mac may be a notebook (the ARM MB for the developers?). The code is usually used by Apple for laptops. This may lead to a September availability of iMacs. One more possible scenario in favour of a new GPU ending in the iMac.

The rumours are too far spread and from too many sources now re: 'ARM' announcement at WWDC. And that's why there is a 'Hello' on a 'Mac'book.

It would make perfect sense to offer a Macbook Pro beta dev kit for 'sale' to the devs. I don't see them being tasked with bringing their apps to Mac ARM...

...without 'test kit' to do that. Doesn't make sense.

They used a tower last time. (But Apple's current tower...is....*looks...*) The far more prevalent dev' machine in this era is a Macbook Pro. It's portability. Includes a keyboard and screen. It represents the largest Mac market. And Apple's gestalt of being the no.1 in Portables. It will include cpu and gpu. And will represent a 'tasty' snippet of the kind of performance Mac ARM is going to bring to portable Mac. It will more than do the job if they've put an A14x in it. (Maybe why they didn't put the A14x in the iPad?) To 'wow' us with Mac ARM in portables at WWDC.

If they postpone the iMac to September for RDNA2. That's fine. I'll just have to get a PC Tower in the mean time and Hack'tosh it. Which I was going to do anyway.

But I don't think they will. RDNA2 likely destined for the artificial Apple upsell. Translation? iMac Pros.

Azrael.
 
But AMD has clearly stated that mid and low cards will "follow". Therefore we may expect only Navi 10+ and Navi 21 at the event in September.
 
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But AMD has clearly stated that mid and low cards will "follow". Therefore we may expect only Navi 10+ and Navi 21 at the event in September.
Good point. Well, just imagine an even worse scenario then. Apple announce the updated 27in iMac at the iPhone 12 event (23in at WWDC), which contains the iMac Pro cooling system (aka no design), 10th gen Intel CPUs and the 1.5 year old 5000 series GPUs. OUCH.

Sorry, just talking to myself out loud.
 
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I'm just trying to understand why a single mac model was registered.
The 27" is the only depleted stock Apple seems to have. The IMP has long shipping times for BTO, but I doubt it is because of an imminent new model.

I tend to believe we will have a sneak peek at the IMP and have a proper presentation of the new iMac, available in September.
 
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Interesting they first say Mac Pro and then say iMac Pro, but I guess maybe they missed the "i" the first time around.

Apple did announce the 2017 iMac Pro at WWDC and then shipped it at the end of 2017 so they could do the same now - announce the 2020 refresh with W-2200 Xeons and RDNA 2.0 cards plus other upgrades (MiniLed 5K display, Titan Ridge TB3 controller to drive the Pro XDR Display, etc.) with a planned ship date of they Fall when said RDNA 2.0 GPUs will be ready.

Though it would be nice if "Mac Pro" and "Annual" meant Apple announcing a commitment to keeping the Mac Pro on an annual upgrade schedule for things like GPUs and then announcing Navi 21 cards to replace the Radeon Pro Vega II models.
 
What if Apple resist installing an ARM processor alongside an Intel or AMD processor. It will take over the tasks that could be run on an iPad (messaging, Mail, safari) and live more powerful task (video editing, logic etc) to the Intel CPU
 
What if Apple resist installing an ARM processor alongside an Intel or AMD processor. It will take over the tasks that could be run on an iPad (messaging, Mail, safari) and live more powerful task (video editing, logic etc) to the Intel CPU.

Arguably the ARM CPU could be the better option for video and audio because Apple can custom-design the cores to maximize their performance with FCP and Logic's codecs. That's the beauty of making their own chips - Apple can customize them for macOS and macOS applications.

Read this article today and found it rather enlightening:https://tidbits.com/2020/06/09/the-case-for-arm-based-macs/
 
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I will buy the next iMac when it comes out because I'm a heavy Logic user (getting into FCPX), I just wonder if my other apps (Ableton, Avid Media Composer, Resolve) will be able to make the switch. I don't think Avid Media Composer will, so that means all Hollywood production will be done on Windows.

I just can't see it! I just can't, I'll eat my hat if they switch to ARM, I'm sticking with a switch to AMD CPU and GPU in the new iMac or the boring option of the latest Intel Chip and AMD GPU
 
imac and Pro would be awesome. I’m hoping for a cheaper display. I love the XDR but too much $ for me. I would definitely get a display at $2.5k With 5k resolution like the current iMacs. Give a nano option with stand included. 😂
 
But AMD has clearly stated that mid and low cards will "follow". Therefore we may expect only Navi 10+ and Navi 21 at the event in September.

The timings of the Radeon GPUs is interesting vs the iMac launch at WWDC. (The new iMac HAS to be shown off there. It's too big a stage not to.)

Sept'. That would make sense in terms of card introduction. But Apple beats to its own drum. They're not going to tie in with the AMD drum. Apple set their own agenda.

The RDNA1 cards are 'already' done and it would be just a matter of spinning them on the new process.

Likewise, the GPU AMD has been building up to on RDNA2 is the Big Navi with the 500+ die size? It's normal (when you've got a competing stack in the works...) to start at the top and back fill it over time..? This is probably the Sept' launch. And that's sooner than I expected.

But the iMac 27 inch is out of availability on BTO? So it's at least going to be a paper launch at WWDC. And I'd be surprised if it takes 3 months to ship, (more likely the iMac Pro is announced and takes 3 months to ship...) it's not a new product category or niche like the iMac Pro was which shipped half a year later. That doesn't happen for mainstream products under Cook?

They must have advance call on the Navi 10+ (being the likely candidate...) with AMD still finishing up the RDNA 2 for a September launch. Which is tantalisingly close to the iMac launch at WWDC. The RDNA2 comes just over 2 months later?

There is pressure on this launch? Nv' clearly see the Big Navi as a threat. It's *GOOD* to have competition.


Though I can understand the argument for waiting to September. But how likely would it be the iMac 'New' gets access to the RDNA2 stack..?

There's 3-4 products based off that stack. I don't see why the new 27 inch iMac couldn't have access to the lower part of this stack eg. the 5700XT's successor. Especially with it's 50% efficiency gain. The '6700' XT? It's probably going to be a £450 gpu (which is the price range of the 5700XT £350-450? Depending on the edition. And there will be a 6600XT? Under that? That sounds like iMac territory to me.

And there's 6800XT, 6900XT. Probably for the iMac Pro. Will the 6900XT be 'too big' for the iMac Pro chassis? Or be reserved for the Mac Pro? I'd have thought after the hot Vega cards...a 50% efficient RDNA2 wouldn't be so difficult.

*musing out loud.

Azrael.
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Interesting they first say Mac Pro and then say iMac Pro, but I guess maybe they missed the "i" the first time around.

Apple did announce the 2017 iMac Pro at WWDC and then shipped it at the end of 2017 so they could do the same now - announce the 2020 refresh with W-2200 Xeons and RDNA 2.0 cards plus other upgrades (MiniLed 5K display, Titan Ridge TB3 controller to drive the Pro XDR Display, etc.) with a planned ship date of they Fall when said RDNA 2.0 GPUs will be ready.

Though it would be nice if "Mac Pro" and "Annual" meant Apple announcing a commitment to keeping the Mac Pro on an annual upgrade schedule for things like GPUs and then announcing Navi 21 cards to replace the Radeon Pro Vega II models.

It would be 'nice' if they previewed a consumer tower version of the Mac Pro.

WITH RDNA2.

At a rational price. £2500.

Azrael.
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I'm just trying to understand why a single mac model was registered.
The 27" is the only depleted stock Apple seems to have. The IMP has long shipping times for BTO, but I doubt it is because of an imminent new model.

I tend to believe we will have a sneak peek at the IMP and have a proper presentation of the new iMac, available in September.

Maybe they'll go all out on the 'new' iMac design. They all have the 'new' (!) design.

23. Announced and shipping. July. RDNA+
27. Announced and shipping. July. RDNA+
27 LED iMac Pro preview. *(Shipping September+++ to late fall...which is RDNA2 territory.)

They're all going to have the same design. Just the components will vary. I tend to think the 27 inch iMac and iMac Pro will share the same cooling. (I *HOPE* so.)

Be interesting if the 'new' iMac IS the iMac Pro. ie 27 incher. £2500-£5000. Shipping September...

With the 23 inch becoming the iMac for the rest of us. As it originally was. £999-£1500. Shipping July.

Er...

Azrael.
 
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apparently, the Mac may be a notebook (the ARM MB for the developers?). The code is usually used by Apple for laptops. This may lead to a September availability of iMacs. One more possible scenario in favour of a new GPU ending in the iMac.

Any notebook will be the Mac ARM A12x/14x Dev' version for sale to devs (for a year...) to bring their apps to the Mac ARM platform.

Azrael.
 
That the "unannounced Mac" has an EEC serial number beginning with A2 - which is used for MacBook Pros - and is running on macOS 10.15 Catalina makes me believe it will be either a 16" MacBook Pro refresh (moving to Comet Lake-H and maybe MiniLED) or it will be the new rumored 14" MacBook Pro.

I am not sure Apple needs to file with the EEC for a Developer Transition System that will not be sold to the general public (especially if they do it as a rental like they did the Pentium 4 Intel DTS in 2005). And I presume the ARM system will be designed around macOS 10.16 and not work on Catalina or earlier releases.
 
That the "unannounced Mac" has an EEC serial number beginning with A2 - which is used for MacBook Pros - and is running on macOS 10.15 Catalina makes me believe it will be either a 16" MacBook Pro refresh (moving to Comet Lake-H and maybe MiniLED) or it will be the new rumored 14" MacBook Pro.

I am not sure Apple needs to file with the EEC for a Developer Transition System that will not be sold to the general public (especially if they do it as a rental like they did the Pentium 4 Intel DTS in 2005). And I presume the ARM system will be designed around macOS 10.16 and not work on Catalina or earlier releases.
I'd be shocked at the 14" MBP so quickly after the 13" update.
 
Be interesting if the 'new' iMac IS the iMac Pro. ie 27 incher. £2500-£5000. Shipping September...

Azrael.

you take That September date away Good sir, I need a new computer now and iMac 27 is still sold out. They won’t stop shipping for a quarter of a year.

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Aperently a Chin less Mac image has been found in iOS beta. Might as well be the xdr
 

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you take That September date away Good sir, I need a new computer now and iMac 27 is still sold out. They won’t stop shipping for a quarter of a year.
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Aperently a Chin less iMac image has been found in iOS beta.
I’ve lost track of all these Twitter accounts. God knows which are legit.

PS. Looks like the bezels have shrunk from 1.5 to 1 inches! Haha.
 
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Both iMac and iMac Pro are all still available to buy here in Oz, BTO is two weeks.

Yeah, so many rumours out; could be anything or nothing on the iMac front.. With Apple it's best to have low expectations so that you don't get crushed when they announce a minor bump...
 
Imma take a minor bump, all I need is a new Ma for 4K editing that dos not make me feel like a dork by paying 4200€ on a machine that was released more than a year ago.
 
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