Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[ssong]

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So you can't read too much into it apart from the fact there will be 1 new desktop computer.

reused ones tend to be spec bumps across the same line / design

 

[gusping]

Lol.

I hope so too, krell100.

I don't want to be 'ready to jump from that Mac viaduct...' ('It's all OVER....no iMac at WWDC...I CAN'T go ON...')

I'm pretty confident the iMac is coming at WWDC. Just a vibe I have. All the rumours and leaks. It's just too many now. People with reasonable records. All the press are going on about the iMac getting an update and the youtube sites are ablaze with the iMac getting one. And the vibe in the community wants this iMac.

People 'in the know' have been given the 'nod.'

It's also because it's been so long, really. 12 years since a truly substantial design upgrade. And...

The big clue to me...was the Mac Pro and XDR. As soon as I saw that. I thought it was 'on' for an iMac redesign.

That and the weird eGamer Mac rumour said that something was afoot.

Azrael.

Dieter Bohn’s (The Verge) twitter post was a strange one for me. Would he have been tipped off by Apple, several weeks before WWDC?

I agree, that something is coming, i just don’t know if it is a 5h1tty spec bump or a complete redesign.

 

[Azrael9]

at the end of all my question is still: only one model will be introduced on 22nd. which one?

NEW iMac Pro?
iMac 27" Update (due to the loooong BTO on internet)
NEW iMac 23"?


probably i miss something but are there some leaks that address to one of the above computer?....

Likely to be the same thing.

One design to rule them all. Separated by components.

iMacs are usually released as twins.

Azrael.
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27 inch, I think. A 23 inch would not help the poor availability of 27 inch. iMac Pro will likely come with a miniLED that is not available yet.

Apple could also add new entries to the eurasian db this week.

Is it true that the W2200 chip are so "cheap". A 18C cost $1333 according to anandtech. If so what is the point of having two lines of 27 inch? W2200 scales much better than the Comet lake chips.

That's an interesting point re; the W2200 cpu. If the 18 core cost is $1333 that gives room to really bring the iMac Pro to a greater audience.

1 line of cpu that covers all price ranges from £2k-£5k+++ 8 core-18 core. With RDNA+ and RDNA2 you'd cover alot of workstation ground.

Part of the iMac Pro's resume...is to bring workstation simplicity to a greater audience. To truly open the floodgates you just make the 27 and the iMac Pro the same thing. Keep the design, superior speakers and cooling common. But let the cpus, mobo and gpu define workstation requirements of the customer. They can build the workstation they need. £2k and up was always 'serious' or 'pro' Mac territory. So having the iMac 'Pro' or the iMac morph into the iMac 'Pro' makes perfect sense for me. It brings workstation performance back to the 'rest of us.' You just flick the switch on 8 core, 10, 14 core or 18 core and what GPU you want.

The Mac Pro trash can had Xeons in it for £2500? So it's not without precedent.

Azrael.
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Dieter Bohn’s (The Verge) twitter post was a strange one for me. Would he have been tipped off by Apple, several weeks before WWDC?

I agree, that something is coming, i just don’t know if it is a ****ty spec bump or a complete redesign.

It's going to be a substantial 'spec' BUMP. It's going to sweep away teh 2019 model.

New design. Better cooling. SSD. No more moving parts eg Hard Drive. 16 gig of RAM on a £1700+ computer. RDNA1.

Any of that would be good. But taken all together? It's a knockout blow for the previous gen'.

And knockout blow for my wallet.

Azrael.

PS. A2 is a 27 inch iMac designation, then?

 

[Manfredi]

Likely to be the same thing.

One design to rule them all. Separated by components.

iMacs are usually released as twins.

Azrael.
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correct that they are usually released as twins... that's why i cannot understand why apple registerd only one computer......

 

[gusping]

It's going to be a substantial 'spec' BUMP. It's going to sweep away teh 2019 model.

New design. Better cooling. SSD. No more moving parts eg Hard Drive. 16 gig of RAM on a £1700+ computer. RDNA1.

Any of that would be good. But taken all together? It's a knockout blow for the previous gen'.

And knockout blow for my wallet.

Azrael.

Sounds delicious! I still don’t think I’ll spring for one unless there is a THICC BOY version - 32in. If there is a separate iMac Pro, it seems more likely that will feature a new, larger size.

 

[dave070]

Kudos for holding onto a computer that long. I think you'd be fine upgrading now if you wanted to. Major jump in specs of course. Or could wait until new one was announced and see if that worked then pick up a 2019 model if it didn't.

 

[pldelisle]

"Mobile" is just a marketing gimmick. It is amazing how easy it is to upset people here when mentioning mobile. If you look carefully, there are mobile processors that outperform desktop processors such as the 35W comet lake desktop part. Use the correct processor for the work load at hand. I clearly specified home/office use and the i9 in the MBP is much more capable than that.

Are you really considering 10900K a proper desktop processor? It is a toy compared to a 28-core xeon. See how ridiculous that sounds? I was discussing a hypothetical slim 23 inch "air" I believe which, I think many would appreciate. What is best? A 35W desktop comet lake or a 45W Comet lake H chip is such hypothetical computer? It is about tiresome that the only iMac that is suitable to discuss here is a thick iMac that can cool 500W CPU/GPU. iMac Pro seem to be a good idea for that or perhaps the new 27 inch.

The G3 Mac was for everyone, I think the 23 inch should be as well. Sure thing they will not use expensive mobile parts for that even if an "air" form factor would benefit from that.

Sorry for being late.

But even if it's "specified" as a desktop part, a 35W CPU is no where running at a sufficient clock speed to rival any desktop counterpart. Even a "mobile" CPU in the MacBook Pro has higher TDP (isn't it 45W?). So no, it's a desktop form factor and must have a 95W TDP CPU. A computer of that price must handle even the worst workloads.

You are comparing consumer CPU with server/workstation CPUs. These are clearly not in the same range of performance neither in the same price range. Compares oranges with oranges, please.

 

[Kjs100]

I was hoping some kind/nefarious soul would leak a render of the redesign but it's looking unlikely. Only 172 hours or so left. It'll fly by.

 

[gusping]

Seeing as we love GPUs here, how about this - 5600M option for the 16in MBP:

EDIT: scrap my enthusiasm it’s £800... F11CK me. I know it’s HBM2 but still.

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[Azrael9]

Sounds delicious! I still don’t think I’ll spring for one unless there is a THICC BOY version - 32in. If there is a separate iMac Pro, it seems more likely that will feature a new, larger size.

The 'Ming' rumour only had the LED rumour at 27 inches, I think.

I wish for the 32 inch with 6k. I think Apple could use their supply chain to bring it to the masses sans fancy pants bits.

I remember waiting for the 5k iMac on that premise and 'blew it' by buying the 2012 late iMac 27 incher.

And they launched a year later.

To me, the XDR as a 32 inch iMac seems a logical move. Having the 'same' 27 inch panel wouldn't be as dramatic and a 6k 32 incher would really cover a great amount of workstation ground for £2.5k (price rise?) to £5k+++. I wants it. I DEMANDS ITS. If we don't get it now.

I'm sure at some point, we will. I've never had a 5k iMac display. So for me, it will be a god send.

But, being creative, I want bigger and denser PPi screens. But there's been nothing out the rumour mill that suggests 32 inches for the iMac if I'm being honest. But if they're doing the 23 inch, why not bump the 27 inch, eh? I'd take 30 inches in the same footprint...

Azrael.
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correct that they are usually released as twins... that's why i cannot understand why apple registerd only one computer......

It's the 27 inch that's in short supply.

Maybe that's what their supply chain is focused on. They may preview the 23 inch which may come a bit later.

We saw this with the macbook Pro range?

Apple can break with tradition. It may be simple focus on doing one thing really well. Which, despite their great size...they still seem to have a problem with doing more than one thing.

Each product seems to have it's own 'wheel' and that wheel turns slow but sure?

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

Seeing as we love GPUs here, how about this - 5600M option for the 16in MBP:

EDIT: scrap my enthusiasm it’s £800... F11CK me. I know it’s HBM2 but still.

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The Price is Crazy...

 

[Cassandle]

So how about...
iMac 21.5 stays till 24 inch arrives later this year.
27 iMac will become a full iMac Pro line at WWDC.

This feels likely. The 21.5 will stay as is or get a slight spec bump (like the Mini did earlier this year). Whether they'll keep the non-retina as the entry-level remains to be seen.

 

[Azrael9]

Kudos for holding onto a computer that long. I think you'd be fine upgrading now if you wanted to. Major jump in specs of course. Or could wait until new one was announced and see if that worked then pick up a 2019 model if it didn't.

The 2019 iMac wasn't bad. It would certainly be way ahead of mine. But I just balked at the BTO reaming and then it suddenly seemed like an old design. I just walked away feeling that something else was coming and that late 2020, there was a lot kicking off tech' wise for another 'big' peak in tech'. From the new consoles to cpus to gpus...and that would have a significant impact on what you get for £2k+.

£2800 paid for it. (Around that, I think...) £400 per year. 7 years of ownership. It's been a decent servant, that late 2012 27 incher.

Just didn't make it until the next significant iMac milestone I was after. Still, only fell short by several months.

The screen is still good. The HD is working. The cpu is working. Just the GPU that fell over.

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

The Price is Crazy...

Can’t wait for the 5700M upgrade option for the new iMac. Why HBM2 not GDDR6? Is it a custom version for Apple?

 

[Azrael9]

The Price is Crazy...

I hope that doesn't auger badly for the pricing on the new iMac.

Azrael.

 

[satchmo]

Take this with a grain of salt.

 

[Azrael9]

This feels likely. The 21.5 will stay as is or get a slight spec bump (like the Mini did earlier this year). Whether they'll keep the non-retina as the entry-level remains to be seen.

I wouldn't be so critical of the 'HD' iMac if they priced it accordingly with a 256 gig SSD for around £599-799.

Great for schools and price sensitive budgets.

And have the new 23 incher starting at £999.

Time to get a couple of iMacs below £1k again.

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

I hope that doesn't auger badly for the pricing on the new iMac.

Azrael.

And I edge closer and closer to wanting a Windows PC built to my dream specs. I love Apple’s mobile devices, but the Macs are just getting less and less desirable to me. COME ON APPLE!

 

[iPadified]

Seeing as we love GPUs here, how about this - 5600M option for the 16in MBP:

EDIT: scrap my enthusiasm it’s £800... F11CK me. I know it’s HBM2 but still.

[U: SSD Kits now available] Apple adds new high-end GPU option for 16-inch MacBook Pro, SSD upgrade kit for Mac Pro - 9to5Mac

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See this as a warm up to WWDC . I am surprised that they can cool that beast in a MBP16.

 

[gusping]

See this as a warm up to WWDC . I am surprised that they can cool that beast in a MBP16.

I bet they can’t. Try that and the 8-core i9 CPU. That’s one, toasty, motherfu…

 

[Azrael9]

The Price is Crazy...

£800? Seriously?

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

£800? Seriously?

Azrael.

Appears to be a custom version - HBM2 instead of GDDR6, 8GB instead of 6GB, more stream processors, faster memory interface.

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[Azrael9]

And I edge closer and closer to wanting a Windows PC built to my dream specs. I love Apple’s mobile devices, but the Macs are just getting less and less desirable to me. COME ON APPLE!

It's not unreasonable to want both.

You could get the entry iMac and put the heft into your BTO for GPU. So for around £2k. You'd have a great, up to date Mac.

Which will perform better than the Mac Pro, ironically.

And get a 12 core AMD/RDNA2 PC Tower. Could build that right now and add the RDNA2 later. Just put a 'low end gpu' into it until the RDNA2 ships.

That's what I'm planning to do. Is probably put about £2k into both. You can squeeze the pc budget down to around £1300 and still have a 12 core and a 5700XT, if you're careful with the build.

So for about £3300, you can probably have both.

There's 0% buy payment options over 12 months at Overclocker and CyberPowerSystems.

So you could build a PC system on tick. And save the cash for the iMac.

Apple have 2 years 0% (hope they keep this for the new iMac...) so there's that option in the UK as well.

Plus there will be good deals on older Apple kit like the 2019 iMac and the iMac Pro that will have their values hit hard by the new design iMac.

Azrael.

 

[pldelisle]

Price is insane, but it must be powerful with the HBM2 memory. Worth it for every graphics demanding use case.

 

[Azrael9]

Appears to be a custom version - HBM2 instead of GDDR6, 8GB instead of 6GB, more stream processors, faster memory interface.

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Apple and their pricing. Simply delusional. You might as well just put it into an eGPU and buy a real gpu. Heck, you're only £400 off a 2080 Ti for that kinda of money. Might as well wait and get the RDNA2 for that...and eGPU it.

Azrael.