It’s very tempting. A 3600X/5700XT/NVME SSD combo makes a great, very cheap PC (circa £1300). I will wait to see if i jump on the Xbox Series X/PS5 bandwagon, first.
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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£800 into an RDNA2 eGPU set up a mere several months later will sweep this pretender...and it's HBM2 memory away like leaves in the wind.
Azrael.
Depends on what your budget is. If I'm gaming? I'm buying the PS5. £399?
If I want rendering 'shunt' then I get a 12 core PC for around £1300.
If I want general Zen like creative productivity environment, I get the iMac for around £1750.
That's £3450.
All bases covered. Rather than sinking it all into Apple's BTO price reaming.
Azrael.
I’m not sure what to think about this. No user-accessible RAM may allow a funky, better design. But... it will be £400 for 32GB of terrible, slow, RAM...
I'm afraid so. The last hold out is gone.
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Yes. Apple RAM pricing. The shadow of greed, that is...
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That's if you buy a PC now. I'm waiting until WWDC. Then pulling the trigger on an iMac. It's central to what I do. (As I'm sure it is for many creatives...) If the iMac launch/availability drops to Sept...I'll just buy the PC Tower now with a really low end gpu. And get the RDNA2 later. If the iMac is available straight away.
Well.
I'm buying.I'm still getting a PC, though. For a variety of reasons. But that can wait a little later ie RDNA2 timing.
And I have one eye on the PS5.
Azrael.
My point is that many focus too much on mobile, desktop, and workstation branding and they overlap significantly. Yes the "H" chip uses 45W and hence are a better option than desktop 10900T for a low power "air". Similarly the 5600M has 150W TDP, that is much for a mobile part.
Price has not been the topic of the discussion and the mobile will be too expensive for a desktop. There are also many types of form factors for desktop so it is not so straightforward.
I’ll need a bigger desk for all the relevant monitor (32in 4k, 1440p 144hz, and a few extras for the Mac). Gulp...
I’m not in a great rush. Will wait until Q4 for the full details of both consoles, Ampere and RDNA2 to be announced.
It should be straightforward.
Pretty sure they are going to fit a 10900 95w CPU in the new iMac. This chip is produced massively at Intel, much more than less usual TDP chips, and can benefit from greater volume discount.
I always had 2020 as the year it was going to happen. Specifically. Late 2020. I was waiting quite patiently until the iMac I had 'fell over.' Ce la vie.
I could just about fit two 32 inchers on my desk. Certainly a 27 iMac and an external 32 incher (which is what I'm going for around 4k. BenQ or Dell. Both around £500-ish.) BenQ has the 'switch' tech' to go Mac or PC. Never used that before. But the PC will power the 2nd monitor. But hopefully I can attach it to the new iMac with a cable and be golden.
I think the key thing is to be patient this year. All the great tech' is coming. Just a matter of when it ships.
Ampere is August/Sep. RDNA2. Sep'. PS5/X-Thing. Fall. So those are 3 months plus away.
The iMac is up 1st. 1 week to go.
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I am taking it with a pinch of salt, but it would be nice. It looks like they got rid of the chin by extending the screen down over it. The squarer aspect ratio would be very welcome.
You’re happy to have a 27in primary monitor (iMac) and a larger secondary monitor (32in)? I just couldn’t do that - MY EYES! My primary has to be the biggest and bestI always had 2020 as the year it was going to happen. Specifically. Late 2020. I was waiting quite patiently until the iMac I had 'fell over.' Ce la vie.
I could just about fit two 32 inchers on my desk. Certainly a 27 iMac and an external 32 incher (which is what I'm going for around 4k. BenQ or Dell. Both around £500-ish.) BenQ has the 'switch' tech' to go Mac or PC. Never used that before. But the PC will power the 2nd monitor. But hopefully I can attach it to the new iMac with a cable and be golden.
I think the key thing is to be patient this year. All the great tech' is coming. Just a matter of when it ships.
Ampere is August/Sep. RDNA2. Sep'. PS5/X-Thing. Fall. So those are 3 months plus away.
The iMac is up 1st. 1 week to go.
Azrael.
Hence the 32in or bust attitude.You’re happy to have a 27in primary monitor (iMac) and a larger secondary monitor (32in)? I just couldn’t do that - MY EYES! My primary has to be the biggest and best
Obviously, the ideal set up would be a 32 inch iMac and an external Apple monitor at a price that 'the rest of us' can access. And them be the 'same' height. Or two infinity border iMacs with the new 'badgeless' front design side by side. Two 27 inch iMacs side by side means you probably don't need a bigger desk? (I wonder if you can plug in the PC tower and use the iMac as a display?) But with the new RDNA1 if you don't need a gaming PC for 200++++ fps then the imac will be a respectable gaming 'pc' in boot camp at 1080 or so. Might even be decent at 4k or 5k.
But with the current chin, any 3rd party monitor looks odd alongside. The LG monitors are ugly.
Or a tower Mac Pro (with a sane price...) and two XDRs side by side. But the days of a £2.5k tower and an Apple studio display for £1k are over? (None of those prices are cheap by the way. It's just Captain Pike has gone nuts and taken over the enterprise over at £4billiion HQ land... Y'see...us non-millionaires...think like customers...not appeasing unreality or the share holder gods...)
That's how you can get to match. Any Mac kit with non-Mac kit will look somewhat 'odd.'
Luckily, if the new iPad/XDR design is anything to go by, the chinless design will make the monitor seem much bigger than 27 inches. There's still a chance the footprint sees the size boosted to 30+++ size. I'm still hopeful for that.
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Is there any chance they'll release a 32" iMac? I'm getting nervous since I just settled on a 32" LG Ultrafine for my 2018 Mac Mini. I originally went with the Mini because of the currently awful iMac design. If these mockups are accurate and there is a 32" version, I think I'll regret this purchase since the Minis iGpu is so weak
Talk me into not regretting the Mini if I get an eGpu in a year or two...
Talk me into not regretting the Mini if I get an eGpu in a year or two...
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The 5600M on MBP gives me mixed feelings. I'm glad Apple is starting to put high-end parts (40 CU+), but the pricing is absolutely crazy. $700/$800 should get you a Quadro RTX 4000 or something. Not a 5600/5700 hybrid. This gives me fear that iMac is going to be extremely expensive for what should be standard desktop performance.
I'm thinking the new 'tweet' is on the money with the 'stand' being more like the stand from the XDR. It's just a case of mass producing it for the iMac. That has to bring the cost down seeing that the stand is probably boutique pricing for Mac Pro buyers with money to burn.
Just a lump of alu so I don't see why teh current iMac 'foot' doesn't get the design cue upgrade. And that mechanism hasn't led a blameless or virginal life. The new XDR hinge and adjutability or rotate to portrait would be a shockwave boon to someone like myself. If I could rotate this iMac!!! To portrait...
Will they? I guess I'm greedy. I'd like the 32 inch. 6k. Portrait. Probably reaching there.
But just the sleek new design with a decent spec boost all around is a 'buy' for me.
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Apple's pricing of 5700 tech' is outrageous. It's a mid-range card. Tops.
Once you get to mind warping prices like that. Just eGPU it well away from Apple's profit rinsing practices.
I wouldn't rule out an iMac price rise for the 27 inch. Each 'new' thing of any 'new' product (ie, not repackaged old kit...) seems to be an excuse to bang up prices.
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Pray to the 32 inch Gods. Or High Priest Steve Jobs that it happens.
I'd love a 32 inch iMac. I'm sure I'm not the only one. TeH BiGgUR. The PpI!!! The 6k!!!!
How much did you pay for the Mac Mini? I'd have waited (and am) for the new iMac 27 incher and ploughed the rest into the external 32 inch display and another eGPU if you needed it.
Still. You could just buy an RDNA2 in September and eGPU caddy and turn your Mac Mini into a a GOD. And you'll have a great set up.
The mac mini isn't terrible. It's a decent idea spoiled by Apple's lack of vision and penny scrimping. It should have a dGPU in there. Decent iG IS out there. Apple aren't using it. In the mini's case.
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Hopefully most of that $700/$800 was for upgrading the VRAM from GDDR6 to HBM2 (and that a 5600 with GDDR6 will be available for less on the iMac).
I saw that and I was like For Fusion Sake!
I hope this does not indicate crazy prices for GPU upgrades for the upcoming iMac. Almost $900 here in Canada for 5600? Are they for real?
I hope this does not indicate crazy prices for GPU upgrades for the upcoming iMac. Almost $900 here in Canada for 5600? Are they for real?
Seeing as we love GPUs here, how about this - 5600M option for the 16in MBP:
EDIT: scrap my enthusiasm it’s £800... F11CK me. I know it’s HBM2 but still.
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Apple thinks 'too much' about price. And profits.
(As their cynical upsell model has been turned into an art form over the last 10 years under Cook...)The comparison for me. The iMac 2019 was £3560 (something like that) with the BTO's turned on. GPU, CPU, RAM, SSD.
So, how the new iMac compares to that is going to be the measure.
The BTO things aren't the only measure. The design. Cooling. New sound system etc. They come into play too.
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YEah...hope it's not bad news prep' for the iMac pricing... :O
For Fusion Sake, Apple...c'mon...
Are they for real? Or is this just fantasy?
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It's definitely a render. Not the real thing. Not to impugn the work someone put into it - it's a nice artistic work, but someone's concept nonetheless.
I bought the Mini late 2018 when my Macbook pro broke down, so I've gotten a lot of daily use out of it since then. I paid about 3000 USD for it, the specs are in my signature. Paid around 1000 USD for the monitor. Let's say an eGpu would cost me another 500-1000 USD... If an 32" iMac costs about 5000 USD well, that would suck.
I also chose the specs of the Mini for another purpose than what I ended up using it for, so the 1TB storage was a complete waste. Life had other plans for me!
I love, and always will love, the design of the Mini + space grey keyboard and trackpad. This is the kind of flawless design language that I respect Appple for. They would have to get the iMac redesign right for me to have second thoughts
The 31,5" inch size is perfect for me for several reasons. I would choose this setup over a redesgined 27" iMac for sure. Also considering using a Ps5 with this monitor which I understand would not work with an iMac.
Oh well, I'm always anxious about big tech decisions. Perhaps I will feel better about the situation in a week
I think the base model Mini makes sense as a product. Perfect and silent for browsing, office work etc. It's when you try to "go pro" with it that things start to fall a part from a design perspective. I had no idea the iGpu was so weak when I bought it
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True, but let os get a new iMac first and then complain about the price and valueApple thinks 'too much' about price. And profits.
The comparison for me. The iMac 2019 was £3560 (something like that) with the BTO's turned on. GPU, CPU, RAM, SSD.
So, how the new iMac compares to that is going to be the measure.
The BTO things aren't the only measure. The design. Cooling. New sound system etc. They come into play too.
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