Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Freida]

Not at all!

But its Azrael's thing. I just loved it so much that I adopted it. I do pay him royalties though :-D :-D :-D

I would say For Fusion Sake if we don't get redesign, better thermals and proper specs. Actually, I feel that For Fusion Sake might not be harsh enough and I might escalate it much higher

Would you say, FOR FUSION SAKE, if the iMac was revealed without FaceID?

 

[stillcrazyman]

I’ve been less than impressed with the issues from having an eGpu on my mini. I am at the point of seriously considering another iMac if they launch an updated one. I don’t really like an all in one design, but there isn‘t a Mac consumer level tower - my preference.

Hope for the best

 

[TwoH]

I'd love the new iMac redesign to have no bezel, touch screen (can disable through OS), and NVMe SSDs. No fusions.

 

[ssong]

FaceID is coming...?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1272535744750350336

tvOS as well?!

 

[gusping]

I’ve been less than impressed with the issues from having an eGpu on my mini. I am at the point of seriously considering another iMac if they launch an updated one. I don’t really like an all in one design, but there isn‘t a Mac consumer level tower - my preference.

Hope for the best

I’ve heard the eGPU experience is a real pain in the arse from many many people. I wouldn’t go near one for now. I have enough issues with my mini without one. It’s a shame considering Apple see eGPUs as the solution to their terrible GPUs.
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tvOS as well?!

Unlock with iPhone?

 

[ssong]

Unlock with iPhone?

Hmmm never thought about it but FaceID on Mac would be a winner for me

 

[askunk]

No M models, please. Desktop grade cards! 5700XT or 5800XT/5900XT (whatever will be the refreshed version)
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since around page 10 of this thread I said I would have expected a T3 with FaceID... let's hope it's true.
A desktop computer has the ONLY use case of the user being in front of it when they need to unlock it. It makes sense even more than for a notebook... and the MBP got the touchID!

What the fusion, Apple, give us a T3!

 

[iPadified]

Not only that but there are lot of issues with that concept and certainly it doesn't have Apple's language.

I'm always amazed by these concept artists that have the skill to make it and yet they lack the understanding of what Apple's design language is. There are exceptions though (like Martin Hajek does nice concepts) but more often than not these artists just don't get it or they purposefully created something their own and ignore Apple's language.
Either way, I hardly see anything that is good design.

So yeah, that concept is wrong and we won't be getting that.

A designer user perhaps a day or two on this. Apple uses maybe thousands of iterations as well as research to find a good design. I heard from a company that makes medical devices that they used typically 10,000 iterations large and small for a product.

 

[askunk]

When this thread is over, we gotta move to a further discussion. I want to know what Azrael thinks about this:

Macbook Air -> Macbook Pro 13 -> Macbook Pro 16

iMac 23? -> iMac 27 -> iMac Pro 30/32?

mac mini -> something is missing here! -> Mac Pro

 

[Kalae]

I feel like I’m the negative person in this thread , but FaceID still seems like a “look at all the great features ARM Macs will get!” type of feature to me

 

[DrRadon]

One more week!
7 days 5 Minutes!

 

[Azrael9]

When this thread is over, we gotta move to a further discussion. I want to know what Azrael thinks about this:

Macbook Air -> Macbook Pro 13 -> Macbook Pro 16

iMac 23? -> iMac 27 -> iMac Pro 30/32?

mac mini -> something is missing here! -> Mac Pro

Damn Straight.

I 'think' Apple Mac desktop customers should 'pile' on Apple and be utterly vocal on twitter and social media to call them out on their pricing and the replacing the 'Can' with a product that was twice more plus 1k extra for a terrible spec. It's a gross insult to the their creative market. Apple's pricing has got ridiculous.

It's like anything else. If you don't price it attractively, you won't get the sales.

All have 3 'definable' Consumer/Prosumer and Pro' products. (Though I find the 3x3 grid somewhat leggy in prise and stretches out the product in terms of value for the Mac buyer. ie. You used to be able to get 2-3 iMacs under £1k and two - towers, at least under £2k. Now you have to pay £6k to get what you used get for £2.5 with the previous 'Can' 'tower' replacement...)

The headless category is the only one without 3 products. A mid-range tower with a decent gpu option.

One 'may' argue that's because Apple sell more laptops so there's more choice of product.

But really, Apple? No tower for those that want one in the £1500-£2.5k bracket? £1500. £2000. £2500. Add Apple studio display. 32 inch 6k for £2k.

And those aren't 'cheap' prices, either.

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

When this thread is over, we gotta move to a further discussion. I want to know what Azrael thinks about this:

Macbook Air -> Macbook Pro 13 -> Macbook Pro 16

iMac 23? -> iMac 27 -> iMac Pro 30/32?

mac mini -> something is missing here! -> Mac Pro

Mac mini would dominate everything imo, if... you could spec 8 or even 10 core CPUs, and a dGPU

 

[xgman]

Imagine if Apple actually took any advise from macrumors forums.

 

[DrRadon]

Found another render via Twitter, i hope it has not been posted yet.
I think HPs AiO also comes with the Foot that is a wireless loading station.
Gigantic mirrored Apple here, but it suits the device.
Probably to thin.
Obviusly not a fan of zero non USB-C Ports/no ram door.

 

[Azrael9]

Mac mini would dominate everything imo, if... you could spec 8 or even 10 core CPUs, and a dGPU

I was watching a YouTube video of a NeXt cube. 12 by 12 was it? And as I looked at it? All I could think of was?

'Macintosh.' BLack Cube. 8-10 cores. dGPU. Done. Still looks great.

£1500, £1750, £2250.

Mac Mini. If they 'NeXt' Cubed it's dimensions...you could get a decent gpu in there. 8x8x8?

Mini. I like it's design. But without dGPU. It's a pass from me. The included iG simply isn't good enough. Can the iG even do a teraflop? You run into the same problem that the Mac Pro 'can' ran into. Can it do 8 core? Can it do a dGPU?

HP have a 'mini' style product. And I think they 'do' have a dGPU product they can put in there. Or certainly gpu capability that is better than what the Mini has.

It's commendable in many ways. But I don't like cul-de-sac design that prevents computer function. In this case, 3d power. And the mini just doesn't have it. Which simply isn't good enough in 2020.

Ergo my constant 'meh' re: iMac's gpu over the last several years. The RDNA1 will start to change that.

RDNA2 with it's greater efficiency? 50%? With Ray tracing? Putting the 6700XT in the iMac must be an option, then. And if not. Put it in an eGPU to bolster 5700XT which will be an internal option.

...hmm...I got lost in words again...

Azrael.
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Imagine if Apple actually took any advise from macrumors forums.

We'd have a Mac Tower worthy of the name for a broader Mac universe...

...and they'd bring back the freakin' smiley Mac.

Azrael.
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Found another render via Twitter, i hope it has not been posted yet.
I think HPs AiO also comes with the Foot that is a wireless loading station.
Gigantic mirrored Apple here, but it suits the device.
Probably to thin.
Obviusly not a fan of zero non USB-C Ports/no ram door.

I think that's a worthy effort in terms of the monitor bit. But the base is 'off' with reports of an iPad/XDR design cue.

I think the earlier 'Twitter' link was far more on point with the iPad style monitor with the XDR type stand. And that is an obvious step to take as it's already in the iPad and XDR lexicon as shipping products. So we're getting a fusion of those. Here, the 'rounded' foot is at odds with that premise and as a result looks a little 'odd.' But as a whole it looks sleek enough but not consistent with what we've heard. Had it the XDR foot it would have been more in keeping. I don't see the current iMac foot staying...as it too will be at odds yet many renders are keeping it.

HP's AiO has wireless charging on it's base 'foot' i think. And a k'board that allows you to 'dock' your pad and phone.

I think this design, here...is what we'll get in a couple of years when the software transition to 'ARM' for Mac is complete.

Something like this.

A 'rounded' foot. I don't see that happening. I see more a base like the XDR with it's more aggressive design language.

As we get closer to the WWDC, we'll get more concepts and leaks I should imagine...

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

I just saw on the front-page that there are now SSD upgrade packs for MacPro. That might be a game changer for a possible iMac design, as long as only Apple is selling these because of T2 it might be something it is of interest to them to give you the option to late upgrade for selling your kidneys.

 

[Freida]

This is terrible. Again another example where the user has no idea.
Just the logo itself is straight to bin.
Damn, if I wasn't in crunch time now working like mad I would try to see if I can come up with something worthy so I don't seem like a "talk no action" person. Lets see, I might try if I get this stuff approved
But this is just awful looking.

Found another render via Twitter, i hope it has not been posted yet.
I think HPs AiO also comes with the Foot that is a wireless loading station.
Gigantic mirrored Apple here, but it suits the device.
Probably to thin.
Obviusly not a fan of zero non USB-C Ports/no ram door.

 

[Azrael9]

I just saw on the front-page that there are now SSD upgrade packs for MacPro. That might be a game changer for a possible iMac design, as long as only Apple is selling these because of T2 it might be something it is of interest to them to give you the option to late upgrade for selling your kidneys.

...and they'll take your kidney, too.

You think we're joking?

As for the modules. It's a way Apple can 'package' up their pricing. Here's an expensive proprietary module....(see their gpu BTOs on the Mac Pro...for eye wincing upgrade paths...and your 'other' kidney... You didn't think you were going to get away with exchanging only 'one' kidney, did you?)

It's the final count down. iMac reveal in a week?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1272221733173571586

Be very happy if this is 'The One.'

Azrael.

 

[pldelisle]

Thanks! Very interesting. Is host here, the CPU, and the device, a GPU?

Yes exactly.

 

[Azrael9]

HP Workstations - Powerful Performance - HP Store UK

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store.hp.com

Here's HP's version of the Mini.

Azrael.
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AMD launches Radeon Pro 5600M with Navi 12 GPU featuring 8GB HBM2 memory - VideoCardz.com

AMD today announces Radeon Pro RX 5600M with Navi 12 GPU. This is the first Navi processor to feature HBM2 memory AMD Radeon 5600M gets Navi 12 with HBM2 memory AMD Navi 12 GPU featured 40 Compute Units with a total of 2560 Stream Processors. AMD Radeon Pro 5600M is the first graphics card to […]

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I take it this is the gpu they updated to the Macbook PRo? 5 Tflops. That's not alot of flops for £800... (Seriously?)

And it's Navi. I suppose if you're an uber Macbook Pro 'Pro' you may pay the £800? (Is that really the BTO price?!)

And something like that I'd like to see in the Mac Mini. But not at that price.

This may be part of the reason Apple are moving to Mac ARM. Whilst having progressive power and thermal efficiency...maybe they can pass on 'some' cost saves to the Mac consumer.

*Stifles laugh.

Azrael.

 

[carlos700]

HP Workstations - Powerful Performance - HP Store UK

Discover powerful HP Workstations for demanding tasks. Explore high-performance desktops & laptops designed for professionals. Shop HP® Store UK.

store.hp.com

Here's HP's version of the Mini.

Azrael.

Older specs aside, that's really impressive volume-wise to get a 6-core Xeon plus a Quadro.

 

[Azrael9]

Older specs aside, that's really impressive volume-wise to get a 6-core Xeon plus a Quadro.

*Nods.

I came across this before when I was checking out their 'darn good value for money' AiO.

And I thought, '6 core Xeon. Quadro.' That's the kind of value equation Apple could be giving their Mini customers. Or Mac desktop buyers in general.

Azrael.

 

[carlos700]

I think we are lucky to have what we have with Mac mini. It could still be a dual-core mobile i5 from 2014.

 

[pldelisle]

Xeon adds ECC memory for better stability. A Mac mini "pro" would definitively be nice with a Radeon Pro dGPU, even if it's a small like a 5300 which is roughly equivalent to a P1000 (it's a very small and very old GPU).

But this HP has an external power supply while the Mac mini is internal. This takes a lot of place into the Mini chassis. This way HP can fit bigger heatsink for the GPU and CPU. But we wouldn't mind if Apple made it thicker to fit a GPU !