Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[gusping]

Something like 4 out of 5 computers is a laptop. They don't care that much into desktop.

Oh, I know, don't worry. Just adding to the iMac bonfire. Not much else going on, is there?

I bet 50% of laptop users don't actually need a laptop, and would be fine with a desktop. I suppose the 'hassle' of buying a separate monitor, mouse and keyboard is enough to make the average lazy person faint.

 

[CWallace]

I think Apple are content with selling five million Macs, it is not where their heart lies anymore.

And they still make enough money from the ones they do sell that the "Mac Division" ranks as a Fortune 500 company.


I'll be honest - I buy Macs for macOS. So if they made their desktops and laptops out of cheap(er) plastics and the laptops were as thick as briefcases and weighed like said briefcase was full of iron ingots, if the price was halved and they sold twice as many because of that I'd still buy them provided they had Retina displays and the performance I need to make quick work of my work.

 

[gusping]

And they still make enough money from the ones they do sell that the "Mac Division" ranks as a Fortune 500 company.


I'll be honest - I buy Macs for macOS. So if they made their desktops and laptops out of cheap(er) plastics and the laptops were as thick as briefcases and weighed like said briefcase was full of iron ingots and for all those drawbacks it meant they were half as much as they are now, as long as they had Retina displays and performance that made my work quick and easy I'd still buy them.

Same. Apart from the OS, Macs are horrible imo. There, I said it. Oh, and Catalina put a huge dampener on the OS. How long will my 'enthusiasm' for Macs last? Who knows.

 

[pldelisle]

I don't find Macs horrible .... Sure it's priced high, but most of the time you get a quality product when Ive doesn't cram in it a butterfly keyboard.

 

[gusping]

I don't find Macs horrible .... Sure it's priced high, but most of the time you get a quality product when Ive doesn't cram in it a butterfly keyboard.

I may be slightly exaggerating... But if you remove the OS, other than build quality, they don't have much going for them.

 

[pldelisle]

They have the most recent tech available right now (except for the Mac mini, maybe a WWDC refresh with 10-core CPU which would be very nice for the "server" vocation of the mini). This is not bad at all. But yeah, at the price they sell them, we could have higher powered GPUs, but then we would argue we don't have enough battery life, if it's not light enough, or ..........

 

[DrRadon]

Maybe by next week by this time we will have higher powered GPUs.

Should be an easy wait. Tomorrow and the day after there is soccer. Persona 4 golden just showed up on steam for a silly low price, last of us 2 on Friday, more soccer on the weekend. Seems like a good week for occupied free time.

 

[gusping]

They have the most recent tech available right now (except for the Mac mini, maybe a WWDC refresh with 10-core CPU which would be very nice for the "server" vocation of the mini). This is not bad at all. But yeah, at the price they sell them, we could have higher powered GPUs, but then we would argue we don't have enough battery life, if it's not light enough, or ..........

A 10-core mini with a dGPU upgrade. I can only get so....

I was so keen to ditch my 2014 15in MBP when I bought the mini, I didn't realise how lacklustre it was (still enough for my needs though). I just saw it was a Mac under £1,500 and said, yes please.
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Maybe by next week by this time we will have higher powered GPUs.

Should be an easy wait. Tomorrow and the day after there is soccer. Persona 4 golden just showed up on steam for a silly low price, last of us 2 on Friday, more soccer on the weekend. Seems like a good week for occupied free time.

Do you have a gaming pc?

 

[kazmac]

Same. Apart from the OS, Macs are horrible imo. There, I said it. Oh, and Catalina put a huge dampener on the OS. How long will my 'enthusiasm' for Macs last? Who knows.

Well, I’ve been a Mac user for almost 25 years. The decline in build quality and OS while prices generally spike is a huge bummer. I learned to be creative on Macs and would love to continue, but I am very disappointed and wary now. I’ve spent more time dealing with issues than creating these past few years and I wish it wasn’t like this.

And they still make enough money from the ones they do sell that the "Mac Division" ranks as a Fortune 500 company.


I'll be honest - I buy Macs for macOS. So if they made their desktops and laptops out of cheap(er) plastics and the laptops were as thick as briefcases and weighed like said briefcase was full of iron ingots, if the price was halved and they sold twice as many because of that I'd still buy them provided they had Retina displays and the performance I need to make quick work of my work.

Sure. Their Mac division is a Fortune 500 company, that is great. I think they would sell ten million if the build quality and software were greatly improved, and if the OS wasn’t becoming so locked down. Granted, Windows is locking down too (and some OEMs are charging very high prices). I still enjoy the ease of use when everything works, but I would prefer better quality control across the board.

I’ll wait and see what next week brings, but I am not expecting much.

 

[DrRadon]

Do you have a gaming pc?

Nah, last of us is ps4 exclusive (and i am hyped reading the headlines of the reviews) and persona 4 golden is decently old (ps vita port i believe) and runs smooth as butter on my 2012 iMac using bootcamp.

 

[dspdoc]

Well, I’ve been a Mac user for almost 25 years. The decline in build quality and OS while prices generally spike is a huge bummer. I learned to be creative on Macs and would love to continue, but I am very disappointed and wary now. I’ve spent more time dealing with issues than creating these past few years and I wish it wasn’t like this.



Sure. Their Mac division is a Fortune 500 company, that is great. I think they would sell ten million if the build quality and software were greatly improved, and if the OS wasn’t becoming so locked down. Granted, Windows is locking down too (and some OEMs are charging very high prices). I still enjoy the ease of use when everything works, but I would prefer better quality control across the board.

I’ll wait and see what next week brings, but I am not expecting much.

I’m with you. Not expecting much in the way of new hardware available immediately. Personally it irritates me when they do their announcements with a shipping in X months release. We may see this happen at WWDC with a new iMac. Show us, then tell us we can buy it at the end of the year. Meh 😒

 

[gusping]

Nah, last of us is ps4 exclusive (and i am hyped reading the headlines of the reviews) and persona 4 golden is decently old (ps vita port i believe) and runs smooth as butter on my 2012 iMac using bootcamp.

I missed you saying TLOU, sorry! I still haven't played it yet.... I am the best person to buy amazing single player games and not touch them. I find it such a chore to get into them, hence I usually just load up R6 Siege and do my thing. I bought HZD 2 years ago, and have played the first hour or two. I bought RDR2 at Xmas and have not touched it....
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I’m with you. Not expecting much in the way of new hardware available immediately. Personally it irritates me when they do their announcements with a shipping in X months release. We may see this happen at WWDC with a new iMac. Show us, then tell us we can buy it at the end of the year. Meh 😒

I'd rather than that them keep us hanging. I can plan my future purchases better when I know what is coming.

 

[pldelisle]

think they would sell ten million if the build quality and software were greatly improved, and if the OS wasn’t becoming so locked down

Locked down ?

I have never felt so free using macOS. This is literally just as Linux except CUDA compatibility. I don’t feel locked down at all.

 

[gusping]

Locked down ?

I have never felt so free using macOS. This is literally just as Linux except CUDA compatibility. I don’t feel locked down at all.

Think they are getting confused with the real world. I am guessing irl lockdown has made them go crazy....

 

[dspdoc]

I missed you saying TLOU, sorry! I still haven't played it yet.... I am the best person to buy amazing single player games and not touch them. I find it such a chore to get into them, hence I usually just load up R6 Siege and do my thing. I bought HZD 2 years ago, and have played the first hour or two. I bought RDR2 at Xmas and have not touched it....
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I'd rather than that them keep us hanging. I can plan my future purchases better when I know what is coming.

Sorry, guess I’m not much for the teasers. I’m actually surprised they do it considering it probably halts a lot of people’s buying. I guess in a way it’s quite unlike Apple and actually honorable.
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Locked down ?

I have never felt so free using macOS. This is literally just as Linux except CUDA compatibility. I don’t feel locked down at all.

Yes. VERY LOCKED DOWN! The hoops 3rd party devs have to jump through now are ridiculous.

 

[CWallace]

I don't find Macs horrible .... Sure it's priced high, but most of the time you get a quality product when Ive doesn't cram in it a butterfly keyboard.

I like where the Mac is at design-wise and I find the performance it offers to be perfectly acceptable. And I am willing to pay the price of admission as it is.

Sure. Their Mac division is a Fortune 500 company, that is great. I think they would sell ten million if the build quality and software were greatly improved, and if the OS wasn’t becoming so locked down.

I think overall the build quality is excellent. I have yet to experience any hardware issues over the decade-plus I have used Macs and other Apple products. In no way do I mean to imply by that statement that therefore "everything is great", but just as I accept that because I am not having an issue means nobody else is, so I subscribe to just because someone else is having an issue, that does not mean everybody else is.

And yes, software has it's bugs, but I think this is more due to Apple's requirement (by the market, for sure, and I think by users, as well) that every year they release new features for all of their various operating systems otherwise they are "stale" and the market, the media and the user-base all complain. I'd prefer Apple be allowed to just release stuff when it's ready, but the current "release all new stuff that breaks this year and then spend next year focusing on fixing it instead of more new stuff" at least addresses the more glaring issues. Of course, that is cold comfort to those who are experiencing much more "edge" cases that never seem to get any attention and continue to plague them across multiple releases.

 

[pldelisle]

Yes. VERY LOCKED DOWN! The hoops 3rd party devs have to jump through now are ridiculous.

Explain because I am a dev and I clearly don’t understand why you feel locked down ....

 

[DrRadon]

I missed you saying TLOU, sorry! I still haven't played it yet.... I am the best person to buy amazing single player games and not touch them.

THE PILE OF SHAME. Trust me, i have it to. One of my biggest vices is spending money on video games i never get to actually playing.

I find it such a chore to get into them, hence I usually just load up R6 Siege and do my thing. I bought HZD 2 years ago, and have played the first hour or two. I bought RDR2 at Xmas and have not touched it....

I am going on risky territory here and claim that RDR2 is actually not a good game. It's beautiful, it's big, theres a ton of amazing stuff in it... but the gameplay is just "ride forever and kill people". It's the curse of the open world game that oh so often breaks down to just having to do chores, stretching game time ect.

The first hour of the first "Last of us" is amazingly don. Really a lesson in how to do storytelling in a game. It's well worth giving it a shot if you feel like picking up a controller.
The biggest dislike i have with all the naughty dog games is that that they are third person shooters. I really dig that the later uncharted games came with a "story" difficulty mode were you don't have to kill 50 people on a street cornor in-between exploring and taking in the game world and story.

 

[gusping]

I am going on risky territory here and claim that RDR2 is actually not a good game. It's beautiful, it's big, theres a ton of amazing stuff in it... but the gameplay is just "ride forever and kill people". It's the curse of the open world game that oh so often breaks down to just having to do chores, stretching game time ect.

I've heard that before with RDR2. I bought it on Xbox One X (because it was only £20), so will eventually jump on it just for the visuals

 

[ondert]

I simply want a THICC iMac, so stop admiring that paper thin Russian render.. other than current Mac Pro, non of the whole line-up is properly cooled. Someone related to hardware should rule Apple, not a salesman.

 

[gusping]

I simply want a THICC iMac, so stop admiring that paper thin Russian render.. other than current Mac Pro, non of the whole line is properly cooled. Someone related to hardware should rule Apple, not a salesman.

DAMN STRAIGHT. 3 Inch iMac please.

 

[pldelisle]

I simply want a THICC iMac, so stop admiring that paper thin Russian render.. other than current Mac Pro, non of the whole line is properly cooled. Someone related to hardware should rule Apple, not a salesman.

MacBook Air fansink is not directly connected to the CPU and gets noisy quickly. MacBook Pro 16 heats a lot. MacBook Pro 13 is decent. iMac 2019 heats a lot. Mac mini is decent. iMac Pro is decent.

 

[Freida]

Yeah, I agree. That was nice.

However, one thing I hate about it. It was hyped as America launch (which in essence is the main problem with USA these days).
Elon Musk is from South Africa and if it wasn't for him this thing would probably not happened.
Him and his team achieved something amazing. If it was for Nasa I'm sure even the space suits would still be similar to what it was 50 or so years ago.
I watched the stream and couldn't help (actually i was getting annoyed by it) that there was more focus on "America" than on the actual goal. It was insane!

If you create boarders you create just that. Same for racial and other discrimination.
The whole stream should have been handled differently. They should have replaced word "America" for "humans". Be inclusive not only for those that work in NASA or SpaceX that are originally from other countries (or their parents were) but also for everyone else. To me, that was the overall wrong narrative. Unfortunately, I don't see that changing anytime soon as American system is so broken that it will take generations and good people to turn it around.

Its a shame though. Our civilization could be in much better shape if the world leaders were better people.

Greed, corruption etc. is hardly going to move humanity forward. Sad sad reality ;-(

Couldn't agree more. The only thing that has given me hope in recent weeks is SpaceX launching astronauts to the ISS. Even then, I get ruffled by the fact we put men on the moon 50 years ago. What went wrong with us? Everything?
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Apple clearly doesn't care about desktop. All the pictures in the WWDC invites are of MacBooks....

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[kazmac]

I like where the Mac is at design-wise and I find the performance it offers to be perfectly acceptable. And I am willing to pay the price of admission as it is.

I think overall the build quality is excellent. I have yet to experience any hardware issues over the decade-plus I have used Macs and other Apple products. In no way do I mean to imply by that statement that therefore "everything is great", but just as I accept that because I am not having an issue means nobody else is, so I subscribe to just because someone else is having an issue, that does not mean everybody else is.

And yes, software has it's bugs, but I think this is more due to Apple's requirement (by the market, for sure, and I think by users, as well) that every year they release new features for all of their various operating systems otherwise they are "stale" and the market, the media and the user-base all complain. I'd prefer Apple be allowed to just release stuff when it's ready, but the current "release all new stuff that breaks this year and then spend next year focusing on fixing it instead of more new stuff" at least addresses the more glaring issues. Of course, that is cold comfort to those who are experiencing much more "edge" cases that never seem to get any attention and continue to plague them across multiple releases.

Some good points for sure. I wish they would also wait until software etc. is ready.

Hardware: had a fusion drive fail out of the gate, system freezes, faulty Bluetooth, and now ports.

Locked down ?

I have never felt so free using macOS. This is literally just as Linux except CUDA compatibility. I don’t feel locked down at all.

I used to feel that way, but Apple is pushing users toward their services, the vast majority of which I have no interest in. Also, do not feel like paying them more money on a subscription scale.

For example, Notes used to be a decent app, but now to do anything robust (including using the Apple Pencil) you need an iCloud account.

I had very few problems with iTunes.

The TV app has all these settings I do not want (sports, etc.)

You have to be online now to see what is stored in your iDevice, So Apple can track you. Look at my iTunes account and you’ll see my $$$$ worth of purchases.

I cannot use iDevices plugged into my Mac unless I upgrade software and “trust” the computer.

I store my media locally and on drives.

To say nothing of my mishaps with iDevices and iOS.

In some respects, I realize I may no longer be Apple’s target audience, that is fine. I am glad folks have no issues, but after 20+ years of being able to do what I want with my Macs and love it, I think I am nearing the end of my Mac usage.

 

[DrRadon]

If you want to argue that "no desktops" preview image i would argue that nothing but the XDR would make sense. Everything else would be iMac, and why would there be old iMacs in that image if you introduce a new design.
Asides the fact that MacBooks actually have you peeking over and it gives them a shot to showcase diversity wich is a big marketing thing in the past couple of years.