Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[gusping]

Lol this guy tries to have the attention I think. Bullsh*t. No major change in the OS to justify such a shift.

I agree. Also, his twitter account was only made in April.

We have heard that iOS 14 is an 's' update. As you say, I expect Mac OS to follow that path as well, so I'm going for 10.16.
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For a Mac ARM OS release?

Wouldn't surprise me.

It's a marketing and product inflexion point.

Mac Os has been hanging on that painful numbering for a while now.

Time to get to the point. The full point. And that's the point, of Mac OS ARM?

Azrael.

Good point, but perhaps that is better suited to next year, when consumers get their hands on them?

 

[Azrael9]

Exactly why.
Macs go full ARM while OSX can be installed on any PC.
This allows Apple to focus only on ARM hardware from now on while allowing people to use OSX for gaming / development.
They start charging for OSX maybe $30-$50 and they rack a fortune without spending a dime on hardware.
Most iOS / iPad OS users will go arm anyway for better integration with mobile devices so apple wouldn't lose market this way anyway.

😎🤓😄

I'd go for that.

Apple would be able to have their cake and eat it.

With Mac ARM products providing their own compelling case over most 'Intel' or 'AMD' Macs in that scenario.

Just as iPhones now are computing devices with their own business case and they have ARMs in them. As does the rapidly 'growing' up Son of Mac iPad.

However, Apple are one for singular focus.

Azrael.

 

[pldelisle]

I have have to admit that macOS X 10.0 was already compiling on Intel when it was first designed.

Maaaaaaybe they could bump the major, but very unlikely to me. It would be 100% pure marketing strategy.

 

[Azrael9]

Good point, but perhaps that is better suited to next year, when consumers get their hands on them?

I'm looking forward to the 'ARM' announcement. We have what we 'think' Apple are going to do. Versus. ...all the nuance and surprise of how 'they' are actually going to do when get on stage and say 'how it really is...'

We can expect a few surprises.

Nothing like seeing that '1st' reveal for yourself.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

Lol this guy tries to have the attention I think. Bullsh*t. No major change in the OS to justify such a shift.

Like i said before.
OSX is already dead. It´s MacOS for a while now. Numbers under the hood they don't even mention. Sure it can happen that they go 11, with the announcement of ARM it makes tons of sense even.

 

[Freida]

Party pooper

Edit: And btw. i was referring to a new iPad Pro that is not expected next week.


Original post:
You got to decide if you want to lower expectations of people or if you want to bring them up. What you are doing right now is egalitarian moving from "people should not get their hopes up" when you see people fantasizing about a redesign and now telling me this after i said "Who knows, might not be more than just a new bump after all".

Non of us here knows anything by fact, all we do is interpretations of leakers and fantasizing about what we, as individuals, desire in a new machine.

 

[Kalae]

I'm looking forward to the 'ARM' announcement. We have what we 'think' Apple are going to do. Versus. ...all the nuance and surprise of how 'they' are actually going to do when get on stage and say 'how it really is...'

We can expect a few surprises.

Nothing like seeing that '1st' reveal for yourself.

Azrael.

Think we’re really going to be surprised. Seems like it’s been a long time since there was this much excitement (and dread I guess) around the Mac.

 

[iPadified]

It's funny. When I younger and the trashcan Mac Pro was around, I thought, "Gosh, what an expensive Mac". Now, I'd happily dump £2,500 on a headless Mac. I suppose times have moved on, and now I need 10 times that to spec up a Mac Pro...

Prices again, are we? Let's see what Dell of offering for $2000 Precision 5820 (this includes tax in my country) on sale, originally $3000..

• Intel Core i9-10900X (10 core)
• Windows 10 Pro (64-bit) – engelsk
• 8 GB, 1 x 8 GB, DDR4 UDIMM på 2.666 MHz, ikke-ECC
• 500 GB 2,5" SATA-harddisk (7.200 omdr./min.)

No screen.

Or a 7920 "workstation" for $3200 (down from $3800)

Intel Xeon Bronze 3204 1.9GHz, 6C, 9.6GT/s 2UPI, 8.25MB Cache, HT (85W) DDR4-2133)
Radeon Pro WX 2100, 2 GB, DP, 2 mDP'e (7X20T)
8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4 RDIMM ECC 2666 MHz
500 GB 2,5" SATA-harddisk (7.200 omdr./min.)

No screen.
Seem to me that the grass is not greener on the other side.

 

[CWallace]

Are Apple computers worse (at cooling) than the corresponding PCs in the same form factor?

Not in my experience. Dell, HP and Lenovo laptops with similar "thinness" to MacBooks run so hot they are literally uncomfortable to have in your lap or if you place your left hand near the heat-pipe/fan exhaust port. I believe the aluminum cases of the iMacs and laptops helps dissipate internal heat so they do not get more than "warm" (if that) and the heat coming out of the fan exhaust is not too bad.

 

[Azrael9]

OSX is already dead. It´s MacOS for a while now. Numbers under the hood they don't even mention. Sure it can happen that they go 11, with the announcement of ARM it makes tons of sense even.

The writing was on the wall when they merged their Mac and iOS teams.
When iOS started getting the 'tech' 1st eg. Metal and features.
When iPhone got updated every year...
...and Macs with upto 6 years between updates.
When Cook said, 'The iPad is all the computer you'll ever need.'
When iOS came 1st at WWDC and the Mac was the afterthought.
When Apple developed it's OWN cpu for an iOS product.
And Mac got some hot and slow 3rd party cpu.
When Apple 'only' earned several billion from Mac and nearly 100 billion per quarter for iSonofMacs.
...and hell. We didn't even take the hint when they dropped 'Computer' from their name?

'Dead.' Mac OS will get a new lease of life on 'Mac' ARM. With any barnacles stripped away. It will be the 'ARM' product with a bigger screen. eg. Desktop iOS. I doubt they'll bin their pointer and mouse MacOS. But going Mac ARM will afford the Mac new product categories, thinner, sleeker designs that perform just as well if not more so.

eg. Macbook Air is the kind of transformational product waiting for that A14X. That's the initial detonation point. That's where the 'Mac' sales are.

Azrael.

 

[CWallace]

Seem to me that the grass is not greener on the other side.

Ah, but you made the mistake of comparing products from a peer Tier 1 OEM.

To truly show how out of touch Apple is, you must only look at DIY builds using stuff chosen from PCPartsPicker.com.

 

[Azrael9]

Prices again, are we? Let's see what Dell of offering for $2000 Precision 5820 (this includes tax in my country) on sale, originally $3000..

• Intel Core i9-10900X (10 core)
• Windows 10 Pro (64-bit) – engelsk
• 8 GB, 1 x 8 GB, DDR4 UDIMM på 2.666 MHz, ikke-ECC
• 500 GB 2,5" SATA-harddisk (7.200 omdr./min.)

No screen.

Or a 7920 "workstation" for $3200 (down from $3800)

Intel Xeon Bronze 3204 1.9GHz, 6C, 9.6GT/s 2UPI, 8.25MB Cache, HT (85W) DDR4-2133)
Radeon Pro WX 2100, 2 GB, DP, 2 mDP'e (7X20T)
8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4 RDIMM ECC 2666 MHz
500 GB 2,5" SATA-harddisk (7.200 omdr./min.)

No screen.
Seem to me that the grass is not greener on the other side.

Not always.

It always pays to shop around.

But a PC Tower for £1300-ish with a 12 core AMD and a Radeon 5700XT is doable.

Azrael.
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Ah, but you made the mistake of comparing products from a peer Tier 1 OEM.

To truly show how out of touch Apple is, you must only...*snip.*

...have to look at the Mac Pro base configuration.

...and how long it took them to get there.

Azrael.
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Think we’re really going to be surprised. Seems like it’s been a long time since there was this much excitement (and dread I guess) around the Mac.

I think the 'context' allowed them to do what they do best. 'Re-think' things.

And it bought them more time to 're-invent' this year's WWDC.

But I'm sure Mac ARM and a new iMac were on the cards anyhow.

Sure it will be jam packed.

That 'one more' thing is going to be...

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

Prices again, are we? Let's see what Dell of offering for $2000 Precision 5820 (this includes tax in my country) on sale, originally $3000..

• Intel Core i9-10900X (10 core)
• Windows 10 Pro (64-bit) – engelsk
• 8 GB, 1 x 8 GB, DDR4 UDIMM på 2.666 MHz, ikke-ECC
• 500 GB 2,5" SATA-harddisk (7.200 omdr./min.)

No screen.

Or a 7920 "workstation" for $3200 (down from $3800)

Intel Xeon Bronze 3204 1.9GHz, 6C, 9.6GT/s 2UPI, 8.25MB Cache, HT (85W) DDR4-2133)
Radeon Pro WX 2100, 2 GB, DP, 2 mDP'e (7X20T)
8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4 RDIMM ECC 2666 MHz
500 GB 2,5" SATA-harddisk (7.200 omdr./min.)

No screen.
Seem to me that the grass is not greener on the other side.

A 6-core Xeon is a waste of time. No one buys such low core count Xeon CPUs.

The current entry level Mac Pro is the real criminal. For the entry level price, I am pretty sure you could build your own PC with a 64 core/128 thread, 3990X Threadripper CPU (circa £3,300). For £5,500 or so, you get an 8-core Xeon CPU.... Not to mention, more than a 256GB SSD. Even Samsung's super fast NVME SSDs aren't that expensive now.

 

[Freida]

If that was the case I would build a pc and never look back. MacOS is the only thing that is still keeping me with Apple. And I think they know it.
Allow MacOS to run on non Apple device and Apple is done. It will be just iToys company

Ok imagine this... OSX is good to go and can be installed on intel running windows machines. 🤯

 

[pldelisle]

A 6-core Xeon is a waste of time. No one buys such low core count Xeon CPUs.

The current entry level Mac Pro is the real criminal. For the entry level price, I am pretty sure you could build your own PC with a 64 core/128 thread, 3990X Threadripper CPU (circa £3,300). For £5,500 or so, you get an 8-core Xeon CPU.... Not to mention, more than a 256GB SSD. Even Samsung's super fast NVME SSDs aren't that expensive now.

For 5000$ CAD, we build AMD Threadripper machines with 32/64 threads, 192 GB memory, and dual 2080 Ti with NVLINK bridge between them. A Fractal Design XL case, a 1500W or 1600W Seasonic power supply... We use this as compute development servers before shipping our code to ComputeCanada. We have a couple of them. Running damn stable (uptimes of 200 + days of compute). I think the guy uses AsRock workstation boards https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X399 Taichi/index.asp. Gives you an idea ...

And when budge is there, we will have double 2080 Ti in them Sometimes we see a GPU popping in ahaha.

 

[gusping]

If that was the case I would build a pc and never look back. MacOS is the only thing that is still keeping me with Apple. And I think they know it.
Allow MacOS to run on non Apple device and Apple is done. It will be just iToys company

Imagine how poorly Catalina would run if it had to work across such a large range of hardware. It is already a 5h1tshow on the limited hardware in Macs.
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For 5000$ CAD, we build AMD Threadripper machines with 32/64 threads, 192 GB memory, and dual 2080 Ti in them. Gives you an idea ...

Yes, yes, yes! <3 I don't think anyone buys the entry-level Mac Pro. At that price, you are paying primarily for the upgradability. I am guessing it only makes real sense to go big or go home.

 

[Azrael9]

A 6-core Xeon is a waste of time. No one buys such low core count Xeon CPUs.

The current entry level Mac Pro is the real criminal. For the entry level price, I am pretty sure you could build your own PC with a 64 core/128 thread, 3990X Threadripper CPU (circa £3,300). For £5,500 or so, you get an 8-core Xeon CPU.... Not to mention, more than a 256GB SSD. Even Samsung's super fast NVME SSDs aren't that expensive now.

Aye. Why bother with a 6 core anything when the 12 core is 'only' about £400. You can 3rd party build a 12 core tower for a kick az price.

And that 64 core AMD Threadripper? 'nuff said. How's them orange's, Intel?

There is price gauging in certain market quarters. We only have to look at Apple, Intel and Nvidia.

But AMD have provided more value in the cpu and gpu market. SSDs (even the NVME...) are no longer expensive. You can configure them in 3rd party tower builders much cheaper than Apple will charge you for one.

It's quite easy to build a tower 3rd party tower at 1/4 of the price that will beat the daylights out of the superbly engineered Mac Pro's base config'. It was already out of date. Out of touch. It should come with it's own duvet.

We're not talking about when Mac Towers were 20% more than their PC brethren. No Mac Tower or Studio Display at non sensible prices for the market that actually would buy them... Dunno. Maybe it's just Apple preparing us the the iGadjet future with iOS devices costing £300-£2000. And any Mac will be £2k and over.

When the Mac Mini is around £1k and the iCrepe iMac at £1050...at least the Macbook Air is still hanging on to an affordable semblance. Just. At £999.

Azrael.
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Imagine how poorly Catalina would run if it had to work across such a large range of hardware. It is already a 5h1tshow on the limited hardware in Macs.

*BOOM!*

*Laughs.* Tell us how you really feel. *Rolls around a bit.*

Yeah. Macs run limited hardware specs. And Catalina couldn't be stable on that.

You got Apple there, gusping...

Like a hot tea spoon to the 'nads.

Azrael.

 

[Freida]

HOLY FUSION DUCKING DRIVE!

OOOOO!!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1272887319188639747

 

[gusping]

Aye. Why bother with a 6 core anything when the 12 core is 'only' about £400. You can 3rd party build a 12 core tower for a kick az price.

And that 64 core AMD Threadripper? 'nuff said. How's them orange's, Intel?

There is price gauging in certain market quarters. We only have to look at Apple, Intel and Nvidia.

But AMD have provided more value in the cpu and gpu market. SSDs (even the NVME...) are no longer expensive. You can configure them in 3rd party tower builders much cheaper than Apple will charge you for one.

It's quite easy to build a tower 3rd party tower at 1/4 of the price that will beat the daylights out of the superbly engineered Mac Pro's base config'. It was already out of date. Out of touch. It should come with it's own duvet.

We're not talking about when Mac Towers were 20% more than their PC brethren. No Mac Tower or Studio Display at non sensible prices for the market that actually would buy them... Dunno. Maybe it's just Apple preparing us the the iGadjet future with iOS devices costing £300-£2000. And any Mac will be £2k and over.

When the Mac Mini is around £1k and the iCrepe iMac at £1050...at least the Macbook Air is still hanging on to an affordable semblance. Just. At £999.

Azrael.
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*BOOM!*

*Laughs.* Tell us how you really feel. *Rolls around a bit.*

Yeah. Macs run limited hardware specs. And Catalina couldn't be stable on that.

You got Apple there, gusping...

Like a hot tea spoon to the 'nads.

Azrael.

On your Mac mini/iMac point. I realised a few months ago that I should have bought a 21.5in 4k iMac with the same 3.2Ghz 6-core i7 as my mini, and then upgraded to the 560 GPU. It would only be slightly more expensive. If only I had more room around my desk where I could shove the iMac and use external monitors.

I have been burnt so many times by Catalina (a headless Mac doesn't help). I may go hell for leather on the 10.16 public beta. It can't possibly be worse than Catalina.
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HOLY FUSION DUCKING DRIVE!

Calm down, sonny Jim. It is only the name of an OS. It really doesn't mean anything.

 

[pldelisle]

You all are making me look at new hardware .... Damn ... Would like to have enough money for a new compute server to get rid of that good old sandy bridge 2700K ... ahahah !

 

[Azrael9]

If that was the case I would build a pc and never look back. MacOS is the only thing that is still keeping me with Apple. And I think they know it.
Allow MacOS to run on non Apple device and Apple is done. It will be just iToys company

We needn't fear. There will be large screen 'Macs' that have pointer mouse and k/b input. And mostly likely a touch element that allows (perhaps...) an Apple pencil to be used on Mac ARM 'Macs' at some point. (We can't rule out new 'product' devices that are 'Mac' based as a result of this transition.)

I'm going dual platform. Mac. PC. I was nearly 'done' with Apple when the priced the Mac Pro at 6k£ after a 6 year wait. I remember looking at the drop dead gorgeous engineering....and then the price. 'Ok. I'm done with Apple.'

I can recant from that position somewhat. The new iMac is (our?) my last hope.

Hopefully, it will re-invigorate my passion for Apple. Perhaps unlikely. They're most definitely a corporation 1st under Cook. And I'll be 'happy' to use the iMac as a 'good' tool provided by a corporation. I give them my money. They give me a product that matches their boastful marketing.

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

You all are making me look at new hardware .... Damn ... Would like to have enough money for a new compute server to get rid of that good old sandy bridge 2700K ... ahahah !

Hehe. What would you go for if you were creating a new machine now. Ryzen 9 3950X or a TR CPU?

 

[Azrael9]

On your Mac mini/iMac point. I realised a few months ago that I should have bought a 21.5in 4k iMac with the same 3.2Ghz 6-core i7 as my mini, and then upgraded to the 560 GPU. It would only be slightly more expensive. If only I had more room around my desk where I could shove the iMac and use external monitors.

I have been burnt so many times by Catalina (a headless Mac doesn't help). I may go hell for leather on the 10.16 public beta. It can't possibly be worse than Catalina.
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Calm down, sonny Jim. It is only the name of an OS. It really doesn't mean anything.

I think the 4k iMac with 560 gpu is better value.

Lol. Yeah...using the Beta public instead of the release....heh...heh...heh... *bangs the table a few time with hand...laughing...*

As for losing 'Mac'. I dont' really think so. It's just going to be repackaged. It's marketing.

Azrael.

 

[Freida]

Yes, of course very valid. However, what would you rather? Endless waiting for overpriced (and often outdated) stuff from Apple OR shop around the most compatible pieces of hardware that you put at home together in a matter of 1-2 hours and you have an awesome machine for fraction of the price?

Sure, it won't happen but if it was an option I think I would go for it.

Imagine how poorly Catalina would run if it had to work across such a large range of hardware. It is already a 5h1tshow on the limited hardware in Macs.
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Yes, yes, yes! <3 I don't think anyone buys the entry-level Mac Pro. At that price, you are paying primarily for the upgradability. I am guessing it only makes real sense to go big or go home.

 

[pldelisle]

I'm going dual platform. Mac. PC.

Why do you need a PC ?