Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[pldelisle]

Let's just hope it's not another year of us getting excited to the points of holding our wallets out to Apple for purchasing a shiny NEW (read REDESIGNED) iMac, just to find out that they forgot us again! I'm tired of riding the emotional iMac roller coast ride every June.

The expectations are way too high in this thread I think ahahah. Hope there‘s gonna be a new one, but damn .... the planet will be disappointed if not...

Anyway, I need a new computer. Mine is dying. So anything new Apple will release in its desktop line will do the job. Will finish writing this thesis, will sell my 2 2080 RTX, get rid of my 9-year old server, upgrade my desk and start a new job.

You see, dreams.... ahahah

 

[Azrael9]

AMD Ryzen 3000XT "Matisse Refresh" specs and pricing leaks - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 3000XT series with the same base clocks as “X” variants AMD is set to introduce Matisse Refresh processors later this week. The new SKUs are slightly overclocked variants that’s will replace the current “X” models at the same price. Thus, the official MSRP for the older models will be...

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'Matisse?' AMD tweaking clock speeds higher. And seem to be keeping thermals (and pricing) on a leash.

Azrael.

 

[Grohowiak]

AMD Ryzen 3000XT "Matisse Refresh" specs and pricing leaks - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 3000XT series with the same base clocks as “X” variants AMD is set to introduce Matisse Refresh processors later this week. The new SKUs are slightly overclocked variants that’s will replace the current “X” models at the same price. Thus, the official MSRP for the older models will be...

videocardz.com

'Matisse?' AMD tweaking clock speeds higher. And seem to be keeping thermals (and pricing) on a leash.

Azrael.

Similar to the 580 / 580X I guess.

 

[Azrael9]

I dont' think it will. iOS is on ARM and its the same system as MacOS (I mean same core tech etc.) so it won't be major rewriting.

It will be major for developers but probably not as major as we think.
I think Apple knew this way way way ahead of time so they set it up in a way to have the least resistance.

So I don't think it will be as bad as it was with PowerPC switch and Rosetta. I think this transition will be much smoother.

Agreed.

A Haiku for the Mac ARM transition.

Succinctly put.

Azrael.
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The expectations...

...are quite modest.

SSDs are now dirty cheap. (NVME ones aren't expensive for supply chain masters like Apple.)
The latest Intel cpus (It would be nice to have one part of the machine that has 'the latest tech'.)
A year old gpu. (Yes. A year old gpu.)
16 gigs of ram. (An extra 8 gig of ram costs how much?)

Bonus.

Better cooling (from the iMac Pro.)
Better speakers.

Expectations of Design. (After 12 years...unless we count minor design tapering...and the interior cooling of the iMac Pro.)

Remould the glass and aluminium into something modern.

(Oh. They have? So they only have to borrow the XDR chassis and mass produce it.)

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

SSDs are now dirty cheap. (NVME ones aren't expensive for supply chain masters like Apple.)
The latest Intel cpus (It would be nice to have one part of the machine that has 'the latest tech'.)
A year old gpu. (Yes. A year old gpu.)
16 gigs of ram. (An extra 8 gig of ram costs how much?)

Bonus.

Better cooling (from the iMac Pro.)
Better speakers.

Expectations of Design. (After 12 years...unless we count minor design tapering...and the interior cooling of the iMac Pro.)

Remould the glass and aluminium into something modern.

(Oh. They have? So they only have to borrow the XDR chassis and mass produce it.)

Azrael.

I think the SSD and 16GB RAM is a given (at least on the 27in model), as is a variant of the 5500/5600/5700 series (almost certainly down clocked).

That is all well and good, but to me, it means nothing without a complete redesign (internal and external). This is the area I am most concerned about.

 

[noobinator]

So how many TB3 ports will we have? And will that be all the ports we have?

 

[ksodell]

Agreed.

A Haiku for the Mac ARM transition.

Succinctly put.

Azrael.
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...are quite modest.

SSDs are now dirty cheap. (NVME ones aren't expensive for supply chain masters like Apple.)
The latest Intel cpus (It would be nice to have one part of the machine that has 'the latest tech'.)
A year old gpu. (Yes. A year old gpu.)
16 gigs of ram. (An extra 8 gig of ram costs how much?)

Bonus.

Better cooling (from the iMac Pro.)
Better speakers.

Expectations of Design. (After 12 years...unless we count minor design tapering...and the interior cooling of the iMac Pro.)

Remould the glass and aluminium into something modern.

(Oh. They have? So they only have to borrow the XDR chassis and mass produce it.)

Azrael.

RE: Az's desires in a new iMac - Yes, please! (as I open my wallet)

 

[pldelisle]

So how many TB3 ports will we have? And will that be all the ports we have?

Only 2. The CPU and PCH doesn’t have enough PCI-E lanes for supporting two like the iMac Pro.

 

[CWallace]

The positive we can take from this, is that the 5600M with HBM2 is custom to Apple, and hence very expensive. A 'standard' or slightly down clocked 5700/5700 XT shouldn't be too expensive. He says.... #Appletax

The Navi 12 5600M looks to be significantly more capable than the Navi 10 parts (5300M/5500M) in the less-expensive MBP 16 configurations and is much more closer to the full-desktop Navi 10 parts (like the 5700) and Anandtech figures it is a fairly expensive GPU for AMD to make. Couple this with the 5600M likely being exclusive to Apple, so it you have a low production rate, and that means the overall BOM cost to Apple is probably a fair bit of that $700 and it is not just all "Apple Tax".

So yes, if the iMac uses "off the shelf" parts, the BTO pricing should be fairly lower. But if they seek custom parts from AMD for better performance...

 

[Moonjumper]

They had better announce something cool, or your (and several others) heads are going to explode.. ha..

Have you guys seen that ugly imac icon on twitter? WTF?

Icon of rumored iMac redesign revealed in iOS 14 | AppleInsider

An icon representing a new generation of iMac, reportedly found within a leaked build of iOS 14, appears to show off a fresh design with all-around uniform bezels.

appleinsider.com

Bezels Can't be, right? looks so 1990's . ..uggg

Icons often change proportions and thicknesses to make the representation clear at a very small size. Displaying the bezels of many devices at their true sizes within an icon would mean it disappears between pixels. Bezel appearance has likely been thickened compared to the device for a better icon.

 

[pldelisle]

So yes, if the iMac uses "off the shelf" parts, the BTO pricing should be fairly lower. But if they seek custom parts from AMD for better performance...

But having a NAVI 12 with HBM2 on-package memory in a MacBook Pro is still pretty impressive. Yeah at the cost of a severe downclock thanks to the too-slim form factor and anemic cooling because of it, but still impressive technologically speaking.

 

[xgman]

Only 2. The CPU and PCH doesn’t have enough PCI-E lanes for supporting two like the iMac Pro.

Thanks for the reminder. There are several reasons like this that I bought the imac pro in the first place. This starts to get important when you load up the TB3 with multiple drives, audio interfaces and monitors etc.

 

[carlos700]

But having a NAVI 12 with HBM2 on-package memory in a MacBook Pro is still pretty impressive. Yeah at the cost of a severe downclock thanks to the too-slim form factor and anemic cooling because of it, but still impressive technologically speaking.

Yeah from what I read, the choice to use HBM2 + Navi12 40 CUs was an expensive trade off to get that level of performance (5.3 Tflops) within 50 watts. The RTX 2060 Laptop gets about 4.8 Tflops in 80 watts, so this is an impressive, yet expensive solution.

 

[pldelisle]

Yeah, especially if you really need your external drives to be speedy. If not, I‘d rather prefer a NAS or something over network. But if you actually work on the external thunderbolt drives, having a dual thunderbolt controller is really nice.

 

[Freida]

That was my first thought also. Didn't say it but it crossed my mind first. Look at XDR icon. It has the same bezels (on the icon) as iMac and iMac Pro and yet the reality is completely different. If they draw the icon correctly proportion wise it would look super bad. It just wouldn't work as an icon. So to me, the fact that icon exists is super good news. No chin is good news.
The fact that it has got huge bezels is irrelevant as I KNOW that it doesn't represent the real product.
Also, Apple often puts placeholder icons and then tweaks them later.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was intentional (as Apple often does it) to create even bigger buzz for WWDC! Its basically free marketing for them. Provide enough leaks to get the media/forums/youtube talking about it and creating a buzz around it. Then go on the stage and deliver something even better.
Of course, when there are genuine uncontrolled leaks then that is where Apple gets pissed off as the element of surprise is gone.

Imagine if there was no interest about potential stuff at WWDC and it would be truly developer based conference. Most people would simply not even know that there was something from Apple.

So Apple doing these "controlled" leaks basically draws bigger crowd which means more customers as their keynotes are truly polished and I often feel like 'instant buy'. When everything leaks before or when I get a week/month pass by I realised that I was a victim of marketing and I get back my senses and don't buy anything.

Or I do and then return in in the 2 weeks period. (just like i did with iPhone 11 Pro).

Value is what I'm after. Not cheap, not expensive but just good value for my money. This iMac better ducking fusion sake delivers otherwise I'm in trouble

Icons often change proportions and thicknesses to make the representation clear at a very small size. Displaying the bezels of many devices at their true sizes within an icon would mean it disappears between pixels. Bezel appearance has likely been thickened compared to the device for a better icon.

 

[CWallace]

Not planning to buy since my 2017 still is plenty good for what I do and I really want to see what the iMac Pro refresh brings, but Barclaycard just dropped a 24-month Same As Cash offer for Apple products into my inbox to join the AppleCard one.

 

[ksodell]

That was my first thought also. Didn't say it but it crossed my mind first. Look at XDR icon. It has the same bezels (on the icon) as iMac and iMac Pro and yet the reality is completely different. If they draw the icon correctly proportion wise it would look super bad. It just wouldn't work as an icon. So to me, the fact that icon exists is super good news. No chin is good news.
The fact that it has got huge bezels is irrelevant as I KNOW that it doesn't represent the real product.
Also, Apple often puts placeholder icons and then tweaks them later.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was intentional (as Apple often does it) to create even bigger buzz for WWDC! Its basically free marketing for them. Provide enough leaks to get the media/forums/youtube talking about it and creating a buzz around it. Then go on the stage and deliver something even better.
Of course, when there are genuine uncontrolled leaks then that is where Apple gets pissed off as the element of surprise is gone.

Imagine if there was no interest about potential stuff at WWDC and it would be truly developer based conference. Most people would simply not even know that there was something from Apple.

So Apple doing these "controlled" leaks basically draws bigger crowd which means more customers as their keynotes are truly polished and I often feel like 'instant buy'. When everything leaks before or when I get a week/month pass by I realised that I was a victim of marketing and I get back my senses and don't buy anything.

Or I do and then return in in the 2 weeks period. (just like i did with iPhone 11 Pro).

Value is what I'm after. Not cheap, not expensive but just good value for my money. This iMac better ducking fusion sake delivers otherwise I'm in trouble

They say that value is in the eyes of the beholder (yeah, like beauty). I am afraid I will do a lot of beholding if/when a redesigned, shiny new iMac is announced at WWDC. I can do some SERIOUS justifying of why something is a good value, if it's something I want. Oh, and 'need'... of course.

"But honey, I've had the old iMac for 8 years, and have used it nearly every day of those years. Just think about how much LESS time I'll spend on a FASTER iMac," he says. "It'll be more time to spend with you!" (Try THAT with a straight face!)
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Not planning to buy since my 2017 still is plenty good for what I do and I really want to see what the iMac Pro refresh brings, but Barclaycard just dropped a 24-month Same As Cash offer for Apple products into my inbox to join the AppleCard one.

The serpent has returned to the Garden to tempt you!

 

[pldelisle]

Not planning to buy since my 2017 still is plenty good for what I do and I really want to see what the iMac Pro refresh brings, but Barclaycard just dropped a 24-month Same As Cash offer for Apple products into my inbox to join the AppleCard one.

I always told myself to never finance any technological product, because you are in negative equity during the whole payment of the product. It worths way less than you have left to pay.

 

[DrRadon]

I always told myself to never finance any technological product, because you are in negative equity during the whole payment of the product. It worths way less than you have left to pay.

I'd say if it is important for your bussines it's worth it because it creates value for you.
But i would never ever take a loan for a consumer product.

 

[gusping]

I'd say if it is important for your bussines it's worth it because it creates value for you.
But i would never ever take a loan for a put consumer product.

It is scary what people finance these days. Very worrying indeed.

 

[DrRadon]

It is scary what people finance these days. Very worrying indeed.

I don't know how it works out in other countries. But here in Germany feel like almost every store selling "expensive products" is nothing but a credit salesman anymore. Everybody is just advertising "finance at 0% interest" and if you are half way smart you should be able to work out that this concept only works for the bank that sits between the store and the customer is if they royally **** the people that miss payments to earn money. It's nasty and disgusting, one of the reasons why i stoped being in advertising.

 

[Grohowiak]

I don't know how it works out in other countries. But here in Germany feel like almost every store selling "expensive products" is nothing but a credit salesman anymore. Everybody is just advertising "finance at 0% interest" and if you are half way smart you should be able to work out that this concept only works for the bank that sits between the store and the customer is if they royally **** the people that miss payments to earn money. It's nasty and disgusting, one of the reasons why i stoped being in advertising.

If you are smart you will make all payments on time with 0% interest and put the rest of the money to work.
Typical ok specced mac is like $2500. There's a lot you can do with $2500 in a period of 18 months.

 

[DrRadon]

If you are smart you will make all payments on time with 0% interest and put the rest of the money to work.
Typical ok specced mac is like $2500. There's a lot you can do with $2500 in a period of 18 months.

It's compassion for the people that buy things they can't afford because they can't handle their compulsions.
People that can handle their money are not a issue.

 

[CWallace]

I always told myself to never finance any technological product, because you are in negative equity during the whole payment of the product. It worths way less than you have left to pay.

It is scary what people finance these days. Very worrying indeed.

Oh I can pay cash for my Apple purchases without any issue, but if someone (Barclay, Apple) are offering me to use their money for free for a time, I don't see why I shouldn't take them up on the offer and let my money earn some interest in the interim.

 

[gusping]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I am back with more twitter 5h1tposts. Another 'leak', aka render.

2020 iMac Design May Have Been Leaked, as Cryptic Tweet Shows Both the Display and Base

The 2020 iMac design may have been spotted thanks to a new tweet that reveals both the base and display of the upcoming machine

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