The 12 core AMD is there...for an amazing price. You can get a 12 core rig for just over a £1k price...
It's the one I'm going to put in my PC Tower/dual boot Hack'.
Azrael.
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The 12 core AMD is there...for an amazing price. You can get a 12 core rig for just over a £1k price...
It's the one I'm going to put in my PC Tower/dual boot Hack'.
Azrael.
Going to go for a sh11y GPU to keep you going until BIG BOI NAVI arrives? £700 (old 1080 Ti price) will get such a great GPU.
Actually, I think it does.
It means that for such shift there is a massive reason. So in this case its the ARM shift. I guess this pretty much seals the deal.
MacOS 11 would also signal the shift. Sure, its just a name but you need to look at what the name represents. Even if you just look at it from Apple's point of view.
If true, they are doing it because they want a "new" shift. So thats the expectation.
Few more days to find out
It means that for such shift there is a massive reason. So in this case its the ARM shift. I guess this pretty much seals the deal.
MacOS 11 would also signal the shift. Sure, its just a name but you need to look at what the name represents. Even if you just look at it from Apple's point of view.
If true, they are doing it because they want a "new" shift. So thats the expectation.
Few more days to find out
I'll be doing both. The iMac. Then the PC Tower Hack. That's my 'state of the universe.'
Endless waiting? Don't tell anyone...but I once waited ten years for my next Mac after my '97 tower Power Mac.
Went PC. (Please, no jokes...) Then upgraded the PC. And it was water torture.
Then came back to iMac 24 inch. Ten year exodus. Biblical.
I've been caught between two pegs with the demise of my iMac. Knowing the new iMac was rumoured to come in March...(when my machine failed...) and I was, at the same time, pricing up a PC/Hack'tosh tower.
Lesson? Don't get caught. Without.
So the next time 'one' machine falls over, I'll have the other. In the case of the PC tower? I'll be able to just replace the defective component. Or upgrade it. (Novel, I know...) We know the latter is the sane route.
...and I'll be able to slot an RDNA2 into it without apple demanding I pay £5k or £6k to get a machine that it can go into. Or pay their premium on the Big Navi.
Azrael.
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Aye. Could do. That's a good suggestion. Nv did a great job with the 1080 Ti. Maybe too good a job.
I'd be tempted to just get a £100 470 or 480 until Big Navi drops. £999. For the 'big one.' But I'm sure they'll have cheaper variants that will blow away the 5700XT for around £450. (Big Navi. I'm guessing 4 product stack...£450 - £999.)
Azrael.
It would be very hard to chose. Probably would go for a Threadripper 3960X 24-Core. But the motherboard offering is what turns me down.
Intel has its own set of optimization too ... Libs compiled specifically for Intel platform... Can get a serious speed gain out of it. Motherboards are solid too (WS C422 SAGE/10)... But way more cache on the AMD ...
Seriously I wouldn't know.
TOOOO MANYYYY.
I think we all need a group chat after WWDC. Spoken to you folks more than anyone else since lockdown started. Don’t want to miss you lot
For the next time something goes wrong with my iMac.
To be fair, my iMac fell over once in 7.3 years. And when it did? It was dead, Jim.PC. Going for extra rendering (3D) grunt with the 12 core AMD for the heavy lifting on rendering. And I can get an RDNA2 for heavy 3d modelling accessed at rational pricing.
Superior cooling with a Nocturna on that AMD than on the iMac's heatsink? Sure. I'd like a Mac Pro for heavy lifting. But I'm not crazy enough to pay Apple's pricing for the power I can get at 1/4 of the price. We're not talking 20% more these days...but a lot more.
Sure, Windows is hell...but...so is being charged £6k for a tower. Or Catalina.
All my software is cross platform.
Zbrush. Affinity (quite easy and cheap to buy the PC versions...). Poser Pro. Clip Studio. Lightwave3d/Blender3d.
I'll be 'Mac' biased 1st.
Plus there's this old PC game I like playing...(shhh....* Don't get no one...)
I'm still hopeful of a brighter 'Mac' future with Mac ARM.
Azrael.
I want a PC primarily to play Planet Coaster... Thankfully Skater XL is coming to consoles, so don't need a PC for that.
In words of Louis CK - you watch a movie, take a **** and you are home
I look beyond the sales men politicians.
Beyond Apple's marketing voodoo.
And the 'bank is our friend' adverts with horses and classical music...
Billionaires. Corporations and Banks.
We should start there for any malaise we find. As we fight amongst ourselves...
Someone else is pulling the strings. Whilst we get to eat 'cake' if we're lucky.
That being said. I'm looking forward to WWDC. Just with a pinch of dissonance.
But I'll buy my new iMac and like it.
Azrael.
Those "iToys" bring in almost of a quarter trillion dollars a year in revenue. Frankly, I am just happy Apple considers the Mac still worth what (little) effort they put into it.
And it's easy to build a 3rd party tower at 1/4 the price that will beat the daylights out of any HPE, Dell, Lenovo, Fujitsu, Intel, Huawei, (insert 1st Tier OEM here) base config.
At a certain point, customers stop focusing on the Bill of Materials inside the machine and value other factors that a 1st Tier OEM can offer to validate that pricing premium. Which is why those companies are still in business and still command most of the volume shipments in the industry.
Personally, I am looking forward to a minor spec bump being announced. Why, you may ask. Because I can't wait to see Azrael react, and then buy it anyway. Or... have to spend £1,000 for the 5700M upgradeBut I'll buy my new iMac and like it.
Azrael.
It used to be said that Apple didn't have the sales or the supply chain leverage to make Macs cheaper.
Actually back when they were cheaper than they are now.
Now they're selling 5 million Macs a quarter. 5 times as many as when Steve 1st came back...
Eg. They can leverage supply chain pricing to give us an affordable 4k monitor...or a 5k Apple Display...
Or an affordable tower.
It was 'easy' enough to charge £2.5 k for a Trash Can. A standard tower could have been easier. But their hubris got in the way. Just as it has for the Mac desktop for the last ten years.
Politics makes liars of us all.
Especially Apple's marketing and upsell.
Didn't see their sales rep linger on the MOnitor Stand for too long, eh?
'The stand will cost ...uhm...er...£1k...' Speedy Gonsales to the next slide...*(stunned audience....and crickets chirping...)
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Personally, I am looking forward to a minor spec bump being announced. Why, you may ask. Because I can't wait to see Azrael react, and then buy it anyway. Or... have to spend £1,000 for the 5700M upgrade
Apoplectic.
That's the word we're going to use...if Azrael doesn't get his precious.
Howling at the moon for starters.
Azrael.
After Apple's latest GPU update for MBP I'm afraid we're going to be disappointed at any iMac update. If they dare to charge an extra $700 for a 5600M I can't imagine how much they will charge for a 5700 if that even will be possible in iMac. Sure it may have GDDR6 instead of HBM2 but I think it still will have a juicy price tag on it. Otherwise it would be a bad gesture towards MBP owners who have to pay lot more for the same or worse GPU performance.
Haha! Thankfully, I don't need a new Mac. Part of me is hoping it isn't too good, otherwise I will be at least £2.5k poorer.
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The positive we can take from this, is that the 5600M with HBM2 is custom to Apple, and hence very expensive. A 'standard' or slightly down clocked 5700/5700 XT shouldn't be too expensive. He says.... #Appletax
I think iMac upgrades in general are a bit less expensive compared to MBP upgrades.
That's because you look at OSX not (potential) OSXI and what it can do in the future.
The sheer amount of new developers pouring to apple ecosystem making apps from their cheap dell laptops would make great things alone.
This is not about benefiting some guy to watch youtube, this is to bring a sheeet ton of talent that is prohibited from joining due to high $$ entry point.
Building your own computer is for the very, very few.
Hahaha!
Let's hope so but it still will be bad for MBP owners. Vega 20, 48, 56 and 64 in iMac and iMac Pro have all HBM2 so I'm sure Apple will have such an option again but with a very juicy price.
Makes sense to me. Did Apple change the OS number to X (10) when they made the switch to the Intel platform? Can't remember. Anyway, moving to ARM is going to take some major rewriting/recompiling/re-whatever.
I dont' think it will. iOS is on ARM and its the same system as MacOS (I mean same core tech etc.) so it won't be major rewriting.
It will be major for developers but probably not as major as we think.
I think Apple knew this way way way ahead of time so they set it up in a way to have the least resistance.
So I don't think it will be as bad as it was with PowerPC switch and Rosetta. I think this transition will be much smoother.
It will be major for developers but probably not as major as we think.
I think Apple knew this way way way ahead of time so they set it up in a way to have the least resistance.
So I don't think it will be as bad as it was with PowerPC switch and Rosetta. I think this transition will be much smoother.
They had better announce something cool, or your (and several others) heads are going to explode.. ha..
Have you guys seen that ugly imac icon on twitter? WTF?
Icon of rumored iMac redesign revealed in iOS 14 | AppleInsider
An icon representing a new generation of iMac, reportedly found within a leaked build of iOS 14, appears to show off a fresh design with all-around uniform bezels.
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Let's just hope it's not another year of us getting excited to the points of holding our wallets out to Apple for purchasing a shiny NEW (read REDESIGNED) iMac, just to find out that they forgot us again! I'm tired of riding the emotional iMac roller coast ride every June.
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Good points, all. Yeah, Apple is probably going to blur the line between iOS and macOS even more... and make a lot of $ doing it.
I'm in the Apple environment (phone, tablet, laptop, desktop, watch, did I miss anything?) mostly for the operating systems, too. And the fact that they all work well together. I could get a LOT more hardware for a LOT less money if I chose to return to the Windows world. I'm happy sending my hard earned dollars to the kingdom that Jobs and Wozniak built, however.
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