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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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The next time my wife complains I'll tell her she isn't squinting hard enough.
The first will not necessarily lead to the second - but yes, it is worrying that the path they're choosing to increase security seems to be locking things down to a degree that may make the Mac decidedly less Unixy. Let's hope they find a good balance before the Mac does, as you say, become a big iPad - or that they strike a similar balance in iPadOS, which may be just as good if done correctly.
Thats way to high. Look at all the MacBooks prices in their recent updates. You get 8GB and 256gb ram in the base model for 1300GBP.
It's the overblown thing going on here with RRR MRRRR GRRRRD THM BZLZ! 11 1 1 1 11
Reducing the bezels and make the machine look more sexy to you will not increase the price by 1500GBP. (or by 750GPB if you were only talking 27 inch).
Thats just a crazy assumption. Get down to earth.
The iMac as it is right now is MASSIVELY overpriced (if only based on the Fusion drive in EVERY models base price, wich litteraly is 40€ ((retail, even less for apple)) in a a 2000GBP machine). Thats why Apple could easily even drop the price IF they wanted to. They will certainly not double it.
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I want the screen lower for correct ergonomics (eyes level with the top of the screen), so I'd be happy if it was lower. You can use a riser if it is too low, there is no option for lowering a screen if it is too high. But the iMac would be much better with height adjustment.
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The new iMac would be somethings I'm highly looking forward to. I hope it gets released this year and I'll be replacing my 2012 Mac Pro for it. So far the rumours of a possible iPad Pro 2020 design looks attractive
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I'm hoping for the bezels to be removed or at least get thinner like how the iPad Pro is and maybe increase the LCD size by an inch just like how the 16" MacBook Pro increased it's size.
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I'm hoping for the bezels to be removed or at least get thinner like how the iPad Pro is and maybe increase the LCD size by an inch just like how the 16" MacBook Pro increased it's size.
Apple should be utterly slaughtered for the RAM/SSD upgrade prices. It's utter thievery.So okay there (probably) will be a new iMac design next week. And my guess is it will probably no longer allow us to install our own RAM. Then god I hope it will at least have standard 16Gb of memory (I want 32Gb). Current upgrade price from 8Gb to 32Gb is €750and for 64Gb it is €1250
16" says hello.
As for the iMac... Screen 27" or more and add: T2 (or T3), better camera, SSD baseline, ram bump to 16GB, face ID or Touch ID in back lit keyboard. All of it new package. I mean this is what people are hoping for.
If they don't jack up the price for the iMac I will be majorly surprised.
I misread that sentence. I'll leave it at that...
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It sure does.
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I can't disagree with this.
For me, the 'Mac' press don't pound them hard enough on this.
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It is.
And they more than doubled it for the Mac Pro and flipped their tower market the 'bird' for another £1k just to make sure they got the message.
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There's nothing wrong with a giant iPad. I could live with that. I'd buy one. I could use an Apple Pencil on that.
But as for a 'Mac' taking design inspiration? That's all we're getting. Nothing like the above.
I doubt we'll see Mac Unix closed off just yet. So the 'new' iMac is merely taking design inspiration from Apple's modern XDR and iPad and iPhone direction.
Bringing the 'aged' iMac panda bezels into line is mere marketing at the least and a terrific design if it's a complete overhaul with form following function.
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Nah. +200€ max.
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Dude, if they want to charge me 4200€ for a base level 27 inch iMac while i need it specked out for 4k editing i am switching to PC and take the money i save on that move (even with todays prices) so i don't even have to cry about just having bought the entire affinity design suit for MacOS recently.
There is no way. NO WAY they double the price on iMac. No way. Zero chance.
I hope prices will largely stay the same, i am expecting a price bump of up to 200€ extra.
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Why not?
Hypothetically obviously but what if apple decides that the 24" is now the peoples iMac and the 27 is moving to the PRO territory and it can be specced up to high configs like iMac pro now?
I mean they are going ARM so why invest in various intel models at this point??
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Because it's killing of an entire marked segment.
If Apple would do that to the 27 inch, again, they would kill an entire market territory AND 8GB ram with 256GB SSD would certainly not be the base model.
I feel like i am being trolled you bezel junkies.
lol trolled. It's like you are new to apple or something.
Don't get so emotional. It's just a tool.
I'm sure you know that post wasn't directed at you
The analogy I was trying to make is that you won't find Indiana Jones bragging about his adventures on an internet forum, because he's way too busy doing what he does.
Let's say someone on the internet talks about how he's able to afford what he believes is an expensive car. Due to the condescending way he worded his post it appears as if he's trying to impress complete strangers on an online Apple forum (let that sink in) because either a) no one in real life will listen or b) he's insecure and trying to compensate for it.
Regardless of wether any of my assumptions are accurate, there's always a bigger fish and trying to talk down on others will make the person in question seem narrow minded in regards to the bigger picture. Someone's 100k car is chump change to someone else.
Yeah, actually not so much. It's called an analogy. I'm a pee on compared to a LOT of people.
The Mid-2020 iMac should be the only one this year and probably the only one for at least a full year. It will have the latest CPU and GPU generations (that will fit in it) and maybe a new design, so there is nothing else for Apple to change.
You should be more concerned about cooling the iPad Pro design language iMac than the price at this stage. All renders makes these iMac impossibly thin although they look fantastic.
It is only iMac Pro and MP that can "compete" with ARM on the longer run (5-7 years). Hence the 27 inch iMac should go. iMac Pro should get W2200 that scales to 18C and prices slashed.
23 inch iPad, sorry iMac, can start on low power Intel/AMD components for now and easily be replaced with ARM later. "Lower cost" 23 inch could also be a beefed up A14 (negating intel/AMD CPU/GPU) coming later this year and this would be the developer Mac for MacOS 11.
23 inch iMac ARM+MacOS 11 with pencil support??? Please, do not make my life difficult.
Until Fusion 360, Modo, R, Mendeley, ImageJ/Fiji and full version of Microsoft office package runs on an ARM iMac, I will be stuck with Intel Macs.
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It is only iMac Pro and MP that can "compete" with ARM on the longer run (5-7 years). Hence the 27 inch iMac should go. iMac Pro should get W2200 that scales to 18C and prices slashed.
23 inch iPad, sorry iMac, can start on low power Intel/AMD components for now and easily be replaced with ARM later. "Lower cost" 23 inch could also be a beefed up A14 (negating intel/AMD CPU/GPU) coming later this year and this would be the developer Mac for MacOS 11.
23 inch iMac ARM+MacOS 11 with pencil support??? Please, do not make my life difficult.
Until Fusion 360, Modo, R, Mendeley, ImageJ/Fiji and full version of Microsoft office package runs on an ARM iMac, I will be stuck with Intel Macs.
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I was being a bit facetious with my initial post. It probably won't get to £2500 for that configuration but that being said I still fully expect a price rise.
£1750 currently gets you the 27" iMac with 8GB RAM and a fusion drive. If they update the design (bigger screen and/or resolution) and give a better base model (256/512 SSD, 16GB RAM) then it won't hold its price. Look at what Apple did with the MacBook Pro when it got its touchbar, or the Mini, or the updated design of the iPad Pro. Look at how the iMac Pro and Mac Pro have been priced.
23 inch iMac ARM + MacOS 11 with pencil support.
*Looks in hope.*
Enjoyed that post.
I, too, am wondering whether Lightwave3d/Blender3D, Poser Pro 12 or ZBrush will make the move to Mac ARM. What with them being on Open GL which is 'on notice' with its deprecated status an' all. Still if Apple sell 20 million Mac ARMs in the 1st year, that's a 'Mac' £££ market. They'll surely have to go metal using one of the translation APIs out there (that can port GL to Metal? Is that correct?)
Modo (son of Lightwave?
Renders always look impossibly thin...so no danger of trying to cool that. In the real world, I expect it as thick as the current iMac with better cooling. With the edges more akin' to the previous 24 inch iMac.
ie. I think the design dept' has wised up to the merits of slightly thicker designs with better cooling.
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Nominal price rise?
I hope prices stay the same, to be honest. £1799 for a starting iMac 27 incher is far from cheap. It's an entry model.
Any crazy stuff on iMac pricing and I'm walking from the Mac platform. It shouldn't come to that though.
*Fingers crossed.
The good news, the quite 'Mac' like Affinity suite is available for the PC (and iPad) platform at affordable prices and is currently on half price sale!!! It would be worth the £70-ish to buy all 3 apps just in case you do get yourself a 2nd PC workstation.
I'll be buying them for the PC tower I get. So all my apps will be cross platform.
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It only seems that it is not much larger, but in fact, if you count, then the resolution of 6K is almost one and a half times more than 5K. This is more than the equivalent of the growth power that 5700 XT can give compared to Vega 48. This is practically the level of Vega 64.Fair enough. A 6K display with a 5700 XT would do nicely
I could reply to this in length but i sort of feel like it would be a wast of time since in only a few days we will know that you are wrong.
All i will say is, yes, look at how the iMacPro and MacPro have been priced. Even look at the slightly higher prices in MacBooks. There you will find some base SSD/Ram prices and their upgrade prices. Work with those numbers instead of just throwing something outrages at the screen.
If that dos not help you because you don't want to let go of a 6k 32 inch screen that will not happen because it would directly attack the XDR in it's marked position... you will just have to wait till Apple tells you that 32 inch 6k won't happen for iMac.
You hit on a good point re: the 23/4 incher being the mantle holder of the 'people's' iMac in terms of the price point of the original.
Which debuted at around £1099? Was it?
If they can get the 'affordable' (allegedly?) iMac 23/4 incher down to £999/£799 and a couple of models at £1250 and £1450. That would bring the iMac back to sanity. Affordable. Sexy. Power. For the rest of us.
And you're right. The iMac 27 incher has inherited the former 'Mac Pro' (G5/Intel) tower pricing points. So it really is, in all but name, the 'iMac Pro' in actuality.
And it should perform like one.
Why invest in Intel right now? Software. Mac OS 'ARM' isn't ready yet. (and in the next year, Apple still need to make money off the iMac. Maybe sales are slowing because it's iStale. And the 'new' design can be used for the Mac Arm CPU. But they need to make money now. That means Intel. One last time...) £££
So, it can't happen now. Software. The dearth of 'Mac' titles for ARM would kill it stone dead. RT Windows on ARM style. So Marzipan iPad apps is the initiative to bring tens of thousands of iPad apps to create an installed base of 'Mac' ARM software. The fully optimised ports will follow. But you have to start somewhere.
And that's why dev's need a Beta Mac ARM laptop to get the work done in the next year to launch their software...on Apple's to be launched Mac ARM revolution...which will probably debut Summer next year.
Giving dev's plenty of time to get the software done. Software. Hardware follows.
Azrael.
With as outrageously overpriced as the machines currently are i also half way expect no price raise. But i would not put it beyond them to get some extra because Apple. Just not stupid unfoundedly complete messing up this marked segment like that dude just put out.
Already have that, but only got it for Mac. But as i said, Apple won't double the prices.
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I do not want to offend anyone, but it has become difficult to look for important information here because of the large information flow ...
There is no information. This largely is just a chat to pass the time.
Doesn't the Mac Pro have a Radeon 5700XT option that can drive the 6k 32 incher?
I wouldn't say the 5700XT throws even a 4k around like a 2080 Ti does. But perhaps it would be 'acceptable' performance on the 6k 32 incher? (Convincing gpu performance...didn't stop Apple offering Mac Minis with iG or laptions with iGPU or an initial 5k iMac with gpus that couldn't drive 4k/5k displays all that well.)
Yes. A 'cut down' or lower clocked 5700XT. About a Vega 64. Perhaps so.
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Holding the £1750 price. I expect 16 gigs of ram and a 256/512 gig SSD. And an RDNA Pro card. As standard. (And I expect cooling and sound refinements along with better facetime.)
That effectively gives you a £3250 price cut over the tier 1 iMac Pro.
There's nothing exorbitant about that. You'll just pay the BTO premiums for 10 core and 5700XT, 1TB SSD and the 32 gigs of ram.
The Mini, Macbook have had SSD bumps and RAM bumps...and held.
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I understood. But here there are people who understand well in technology and write the right and interesting things, I will not mention their names
But then we have to flip through a lot of "water".
Of course it can. But it depends on the tasks and specifics of the Mac Pro. Firstly, the 5700 is not a top solution for the Mac Pro if you need maximum power. Secondly, as I understand it, the 5700 Mac Pro has no restrictions on heat dissipation and cooling due to the successful design, therefore I am sure that the 5700 Mac Pro will still be much more effective than the hypothetical 5700 for iMacs. In fact, you already said that.