Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Azrael9]

Reading this:

I would expect them to come up with a better price for the new iMac. I feel that we have so many "Pro" Apple products that it doesn't make sense to just push out a $1500+ product. I think they should find a way to be under a $1000. Could you imagine the demand for a newer sleeker looking iMac that looks similar to the iPad Pro running their new processors. I think they could def put it under a $1000.


Anyways,

ZeekTheZack-

Get the new iMac 23 incher at £999.

That would go a long way to repairing the stalled momentum in Mac sales.

ie. Who's going to buy the 21 inch platter iMac junk at £1050? (replace the hd with a SSD eg. 256 and slash the price.)

Ironically, it was Cook who once asked, 'Why don't we have a cheaper iMac?' of his Mac team.

I don't know what's took him so long.

If you can make a £350 iPad you can make a £599 iMac. Macs sell 5+ times more in volume then when Steve Jobs rescued them. And low volume was the reason why apple couldn't make macs cheaper when they were...er...cheaper than they are now.

The reason is largely down to marketing and politics.

Apple want to sell you an iOS device for the price they used to sell you a Mac.

This means? You'll pay even more for a Mac...and even more for an iOS device.

There is no desktop Mac under £1k.

Remember, 'The iPad is the only computer you'll ever need.' Tim Apple.

Azrael.

 

[VJNeumann]

4000th post in this thread. I have nothing to add.

Edit: missed it by that much.

 

[Azrael9]

Yeah, I've noticed all the bad stuff here very quickly.

The construction is controlled by mafia, food is bad (even though people believe its really good - still amazes me),
taking a bixi on your way home is basically suicide in the evening because of the roads and banking and services are literally 20 years behind. And please don't get me started on the hospitals or emergencies. I once waited 6 hours to be seen when I had spine/head injury!!! and the nurse had the audacity to tell me that I'm lucky because most people wait around 12 hours!!!

Anyway, you are right. You might complain but I feel not to the right people.

On the other hand, the life here is not as hectic as in London and the property market is cheap. For families its super friendly so its not all bad.

It could be much better though if the main focus wasn't on french vs english. )))

Anyway, one day I'll start a complaining movement here and maybe we will achieve an improvement.

Now Apple, show us how its done on monday, PLEASE!!!

So...you can buy a Canadian house for less than a fully loaded Mac Pro?

*behave, Azrael.

What's a 'bixi?'

Is your spine/head injury better. ie. Are you recovered now? :O

Azrael.
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4000th post in this thread.

I have nothing to add.

Oh...we're just getting warmed up...

There's the whole weekend to go...

...and the surprise (and disappointment...ofc.) of next week to go...

Azrael.
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Confirmed new iMac running windows10x on Apple designed ARM chips

https://uk.store.asus.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/V/2/V241FFK-BA037T-1.jpg

please forgive my shtpost

...and there's the rub.

The windows hedgemony have caught up in design and performance....between this and the HP AiO (which has that veryyyyy nice 32 inch 4k screen...well, it looks nice compared to what I have on my late 2012 iMac...) which has mobile 2080 Nv...and we're looking 'forward' to a mid-range card.

ARM is the future. The world is full of ARM.

Intel facing the Tsunami of ARM? Good look to them. They're in the Mire at the moment. And it's not a CPU ship you can turn around so quick, as AMD on Bulldozer found out.

I'm confident the new AiO iMac will allow Apple to bring their leading edge iPad tablet design sensibilities to the Mac.

Hopefully, bang up to date. Sexy. More affordable.

Though, for the true rebirth of the imac to a giant iPad, it will come via Mac ARM in a couple of years time.

But this iNtel iMac will be most timely for me. If not others.

Azrael.
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[And now, the important part:] There has been a LOT to complain about this past... decade? Apple-nic's EXPECT better. St. Steve de Jobs taught us that! Thus, we complain because our wants and needs aren't being met, especially at the prices that we've been charged these past few years. We're tired of the 'horsecrap'. (Freida's words, not mine)

Come on WWDC!!! Don't let us down!

Amen to that.

I think the iMac will be the 1st mainstream desktop Mac that offers hope since the last one under Jobs.

Has it been so barren a landscape?

Hope?

Of better design. Value. Performance.

Of the Mac desktop dept' having an actual pulse.

When your flagship mainstream Mac desktop has been left to rot for so long...it's not a good sign.

The current rumours are a sign that it's 'back to the light.'

Azrael.

 

[kazmac]

Reading this:

I would expect them to come up with a better price for the new iMac. I feel that we have so many "Pro" Apple products that it doesn't make sense to just push out a $1500+ product. I think they should find a way to be under a $1000. Could you imagine the demand for a newer sleeker looking iMac that looks similar to the iPad Pro running their new processors. I think they could def put it under a $1000.


Anyways,

ZeekTheZack-

Hey welcome!

If Apple sell a $999 iMac, it will probably be gimped to push the upsales. Yours is a lovely thought, but under Cook those specs for that price, sadly, no.

I really would like and need a new iMac, so I hope there is an iMac available for pre-order on Monday. 24” would be great. We’ll see, but not expecting much. I’d rather not switch platforms unless it’s absolutely necessary, and given my issues, who knows?

 

[Manfredi]

apart the "lottery" of RDNA or RDNA2.... will you spend (a lof of ) money for a BTO graphic or whatsoever "add-on" in a (probably) new iMac if they will be sell with intel chip and at the same time they will annunce the (complete) transaction to ARM in the next 2 years and half...???

this is my biggest doubt...

 

[Azrael9]

apart the "lottery" of RDNA or RDNA2.... will you spend (a lof of ) money for a BTO graphic or whatsoever "add-on" in a (probably) new iMac if they will be sell with intel chip and at the same time they will annunce the (complete) transaction to ARM in the next 2 years and half...???

this is my biggest doubt...

Just buy what you need now.

If you're worried about the Intel Mac?

There's a couple of options.

Buy the entry 24 inch model which, allegedly, is going to be more affordable (whatever that means...£100 cheaper? £200 cheaper? Will it hit the magical £999 inc VAT here in the UK?)

Current price? £1,249.00

Which means for this price? You'd get more screen, at the least. So for £1249 you could get a decent Intel iMac. And when Apple repace it with Mac ARM iMac Air in two years? You can sell your Intel iMac and buy 'another' £1249 iMac and put the sold iMac towards your new one.

Same with the 27 inch.

Buy the stock 27 at £1700. Keep it for two years. Sell it. Put it towards the 'Mac ARM' iMac 27 incher.

ie. Don't go fully loaded.

It's on a needs basis. But even the stock 'new' iMac should be decent improvements upon the current relic. The 23 incher, for example will see a bigger screen, ssd and gpu enhancements over the 21 inch scrimper it replaces. And it 'may' be cheaper than the current entry 4k 21 inch price...

Azrael.

 

[AAtte]

No rdna2 - no buy from me.

 

[Azrael9]

No rdna2 - no buy from me.

I suspect we're going to be disappointed. Though I wish it weren't so.

But there is precedent for it to be announced and ship later. So, there is hope.

And at the least, when RDNA2 ships for 'PC' in Sept'...there is nothing to stop creative 'pros' adding whatever unschackled by thermals RDNA2 to an eGPU caddy to add to whatever the 'new' iMac ships with gpu wise.

Adding the RDNA2 via eGPU means you're unrestricted by Apple's choices or artificial pricing upsell.

Ie. You could therefore get a 'new' iMac with RDNA2 (this way) than by waiting for an iMac Pro that will have RDNA2 as an inceptive to part with £5k.

eg. The 1st Big Navi is probably going to be the 500+ die Navi. And that will prob' cost £999. I doubt we'll see that as an option on a mainstream imac. However, there are other variants of RDNA2 eg. 6700XT successor that will prob' retail for around £450 disrupting the 4k performance segment. The latter may go into a mainstream Mac. (Well, if the 5700XT can...) The RDNA2 is 50% more efficient. So it's probably better, thermally, that Polaris and Vega. Both of which were pretty mediocre heat wise. Putting it politely.

It depends on how they structure the 'new' iMac. Will it consolidate or not? Will £999 Navi 2 be for Mac Pro only? (Big gpu, big heat despite the improved efficiency...) With middle RDNA2 for the iMac Pro? And a low end RDNA2 as a potential candidate for iMac 'new'...? Again. Depends.

More likely it will be status quo. And RDNA1. Apple seems to like giving Mac users out of date gpu tech'.

The RDNA1 isn't a disaster. But it IS last year's gpu tech'.

Azrael.
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Buy iMac

Get an iMac all-in-one desktop computer with M4 chip when you trade in an eligible Mac for credit. Built for Apple Intelligence. Buy now.

www.apple.com

And that entry 4k iMac.

It's a £999 computer if ever I saw one.

Azrael.

 

[pldelisle]

And except consoles, Apple is the second highest revenue of AMD graphics division right now I think.

But release RDNA2 3 months ahead because of this ? Ish .... I don't know. That would mean Mac Pro boards too.

 

[Freida]

Pretty much

Bixi - Boris bikes

Yeah, I'm ok. Thank you for asking. The doctor was useless as she x-rayed everything except the crucial part of the spine. Ie. imagine there is an injury on your spine and the doctor xrays the top part + head bottom part plus chest but the main part where the epicenter is and the body created a massive bumb, she MISSES! Not only that but when she comes back with the pictures, she says:
Ok, it seems that we are missing a bit here. (I think we will redoit at that moment) Instead, she taps on my spine with her fingers and asks: does it hurt? I say: not that much but it does a little. She says: OK, its not broken, you can go home. She even said more crazier stuff but I don't want to bore you to death. I was just amazed.

In germany (Munich) I broke a bone, waited an hour, got fixed up and all was perfect. Here........well, you get super cheap housing but don't get ill or they will kill you by letting you wait. In fact, it almost feels that you have to fake it and make it sound way more serious just incase it could be.

I lived in many countries but this one is crazy. I wouldn't say its as bad as Zimbabwe (like pldelisle said) but ...... ))))

So...you can buy a Canadian house for less than a fully loaded Mac Pro?

*behave, Azrael.

What's a 'bixi?'

Is your spine/head injury better. ie. Are you recovered now? :O

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

And except consoles, Apple is the second highest revenue of AMD graphics division right now I think.

But release RDNA2 3 months ahead because of this ? Ish .... I don't know. That would mean Mac Pro boards too.

Announce at WWDC, release in Sept/Oct with BIG NAVI! Yes lads.

 

[Freida]

Anyway, who is here trying to do something mind busy keeping for the weekend to survive the wait?

 

[askunk]

RDNA2 is not only "Big Navi". There will be also low and mid-range cards. They aren't just going to be released before 2021 (official AMD words).

 

[gusping]

Anyway, who is here trying to do something mind busy keeping for the weekend to survive the wait?

Currently trying to deal with muppets at work. It could be a long evening....

This thread reminds me of the joy (or disappointment) I will experience on Monday. To better times!
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RDNA2 is not only "Big Navi". There will be also low and mid-range cards. They aren't just going to be released before 2021 (official AMD words).

Big navi or bust!

 

[iPadified]

Just buy what you need now.

If you're worried about the Intel Mac?

There's a couple of options.

Buy the entry 24 inch model which, allegedly, is going to be more affordable (whatever that means...£100 cheaper? £200 cheaper? Will it hit the magical £999 inc VAT here in the UK?)

Current price? £1,249.00

Which means for this price? You'd get more screen, at the least. So for £1249 you could get a decent Intel iMac. And when Apple repace it with Mac ARM iMac Air in two years? You can sell your Intel iMac and buy 'another' £1249 iMac and put the sold iMac towards your new one.

Same with the 27 inch.

Buy the stock 27 at £1700. Keep it for two years. Sell it. Put it towards the 'Mac ARM' iMac 27 incher.

ie. Don't go fully loaded.

It's on a needs basis. But even the stock 'new' iMac should be decent improvements upon the current relic. The 23 incher, for example will see a bigger screen, ssd and gpu enhancements over the 21 inch scrimper it replaces. And it 'may' be cheaper than the current entry 4k 21 inch price...

Azrael.

Got it finally! Your price suggestions are without 20% Apple Tax (=profit) and additional 25% VAT .
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Announce at WWDC, release in Sept/Oct with BIG NAVI! Yes lads.

No 27 inch sales in four months (May-Sept)? I do not think so. Big Navi can be dropped in later just like the 5600M was. They also want the new Mac out before the schools starts.

 

[gusping]

Got it finally! Your price suggestions are without 20% Apple Tax (=profit) and additional 25% VAT .
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No 27 inch sales in four months (May-Sept)? I do not think so. Big Navi can be dropped in later just like the 5600M was. They also want the new Mac out before the schools starts.

Please don’t crush my expectations.

PS. Most people going to school buy terrible MBA’s or base MBPs (rather them than me )

 

[fokmik]

RDNA2 is not only "Big Navi". There will be also low and mid-range cards. They aren't just going to be released before 2021 (official AMD words).

AMD words for the public or for Apple ?
We know that often AMD release new gpu with Apple products

 

[Freida]

We all deal with muppets, especially at work so I hope you mentally survive that and get ready for the "disappointing" monday.

Lets all form a circle, hold hands and make a ritual to get what we want on monday

Anyway, as its friday before WWDC my body is telling me: "we are ready for the flop event"

I guess my body knows this better than me. Hahahahahaha

Currently trying to deal with muppets at work. It could be a long evening....

This thread reminds me of the joy (or disappointment) I will experience on Monday. To better times!
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Big navi or bust!

 

[satchmo]

As an old-timer my duty is to remind again...lower your expectations!
Only then can you be truly happy with what is announced.

I'm going with no redesign and updated 10th gen CPU.
That's how it's done.

 

[pldelisle]

PS. Most people going to school buy terrible MBA’s or base MBPs

MB Air are not "terrible". Lol ! Especially the new ones !

 

[kazmac]

I suspect we're going to be disappointed. Though I wish it weren't so.

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Buy iMac

Get an iMac all-in-one desktop computer with M4 chip when you trade in an eligible Mac for credit. Built for Apple Intelligence. Buy now.

www.apple.com

And that entry 4k iMac.

It's a £999 computer if ever I saw one.

Azrael.

Just saying: Hardly worth that, but Apple tax. The mid-tier 2019 21.5” would be a slightly better base model for that price.

Anyway, we’ll see.

 

[askunk]

AMD words for the public or for Apple ?
We know that often AMD release new gpu with Apple products

They explicitly said that mid and low cards will be available "later", which means at least 3 if not 6 months away. AMD is about to introduce a Navi10 refresh to cover for the wait. As much as I have hopes to see the latter on macs before AMD presents the RDNA2 (they wouldn't need any particular introduction), I am sure we will not see an iMac with a Navi 21-23 before 2021.

Moreover, there has been too much noise around Big Navi, therefore I am quite sure the most Apple would do is quoting it without giving out any feature (TFlops included, given the also imminent nVIDIA keynote) for a sneak peek at the IMP.
AMD will want to give the right stage to it when it comes out.

 

[pldelisle]

They explicitly said that mid and low cards will be available "later", which means at least 3 if not 6 months away. AMD is about to introduce a Navi10 refresh to cover for the wait. As much as I have hopes to see the latter on macs before AMD presents the RDNA2 (they wouldn't need any particular introduction), I am sure we will not see an iMac with a Navi 21-23 before 2021.

Moreover, there has been too much noise around Big Navi, therefore I am quite sure the most Apple would do is quoting it without giving out any feature (TFlops included, given the also imminent nVIDIA keynote) for a sneak peek at the IMP.
AMD will want to give the right stage to it when it comes out.

NAVI chips under RDNA2 are probably being manufacturing at TSMC right now. So they know every spec out of it, don't worry

 

[askunk]

I'm not saying they don't know. I am saying they won't tell us.

Apple has surely known the specs since the first engineering sample or even before, during a briefing with AMD. months ago.

 

[Azrael9]

I'm not saying they don't know. I am saying they won't tell us.

Apple has surely known the specs since the first engineering sample or even before, during a briefing with AMD. months ago.

That September launch date is coming up real soon.

It's headed to the end of June.

That gives them two months.

They must be making them now?

And there's rumours of Nvidia racing to an August launch of Ampere to beat them to the 'punch.'

I'd say it's all hands on decks right now.

A preview and BTO RDNA2 option isn't that far out of whack. Apple being AMD's largest PC based GPU customer? And the close work done on the 5600M...suggests that there may be more fruit to come.

I'm suggesting that you finally get around to updating the iMac 'new' design for the future...with year old gpu tech'?

That sounds forwards and backwards to me.

Rather, preview some part of the line with a more progressive gpu tech'?

Sure, AMD/Radeon tends to back fill the rest of the stack later withe highest coming 1st. So I doubt they'll have all the RNDA2 stack ready to go at once.

And it looks like the RDNA1 respin and the big Navi 2 flagship will be 1st to break cover.

This seems to suggest 'new' iMac and iMac Pro. (The latter of which could be previewed.)

I'd be thrilled if the RDNA1 5700 is reserved for the top end 24 incher and the RNDA2 is previewed BTO ship later option for the 27 inch line that becomes all iMac Pro.

But yes. The rumours so far point to RDNA1 variants for the 27 inch.

I'm just inciting debate. As is my want.

Azrael.
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NAVI chips under RDNA2 are probably being manufacturing at TSMC right now. So they know every spec out of it, don't worry

yup.

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Anyway, who is here trying to do something mind busy keeping for the weekend to survive the wait?

Re-training my drawing skills.

Chiefly in the area of...Right brain perception and drawing skills.

Contour.
Negative space.
Sighting in Perspective. (I'm currently on this one...)

Azrael.