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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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No one here knows.
At this point everyone is expecting it to be introduced on Monday during the WWDC opening keynote.
The most pessimistic assumption would be that only the non Pro iMac 27 inch will be refreshed, because thats the line that has been out of stock for weeks now.
If thats the case a refresh/redesign of 21.5 to 23 inch is out at the very least another month.
But again, thats the most pessimistic. I guess we will probably at least see the entire non Pro iMac lineup refreshed Monday.
I expect it to be on sale right away since the warehouse has been depleted of 27 inch for three weeks now. But one leaker claimed it would be introduced on Monday and only start selling in July.
Matches the icons.
Looks like Apple's former £1k display from a distance...but this is the basic idea of the 'new' iMac by all rumour accounts.
Those bezels still look large. Expecting thinner than this.
I could live with that. At least it gets rid of the iMac's chin and the design dead weight that it is.
Maybe some visual voodoo in this one.
11 years since the last front facing design change.
Azrael.
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The intrigue of dreams.
Azrael.
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Yep, looks suspiciously similar to the ThunderBolt Display on my desk at work.
It's fake - someone had too much time on their hands. Look at the shadow of the imac and compare it to the shadows of other objects.
Bloomberg outlines what to expect at WWDC, new Apple TV and HomePod coming 'later this year’ - 9to5Mac
Ahead of WWDC 2020 officially kicking off on Monday, a new report from Bloomberg today offers a broader look at...
9to5mac.com
"Ahead of WWDC 2020 officially kicking off on Monday, a new report from Bloomberg today offers a broader look at what to expect. The report explains that hardware such as a new Apple TV and HomePod will be saved for later this year, with WWDC focusing primarily on new software."
Azrael.
Bloomberg outlines what to expect at WWDC, new Apple TV and HomePod coming 'later this year’ - 9to5Mac
Ahead of WWDC 2020 officially kicking off on Monday, a new report from Bloomberg today offers a broader look at...
"Ahead of WWDC 2020 officially kicking off on Monday, a new report from Bloomberg today offers a broader look at what to expect. The report explains that hardware such as a new Apple TV and HomePod will be saved for later this year, with WWDC focusing primarily on new software."
Azrael.
Well, it always has been a software event, i don't know why bloomberg would know anything beyond the past about this years event.
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This is as bad of an edit as the last "accidental leak" by... engaged i believe.
If you go to the B&H website today (Saturday) and click on buying any 2019 27" iMac with a 512GB SSD as the base, they all now say Special Order only and 2 to 5 week delivery. This was a very popular model when and I and a friend bought ours here last year and eariler this year. So something is coming Monday to replace it for sure. Same applies for the 1TB SSD models.
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Yes. The WWDC has always been 'primarily' a software event.
If the transition is announced there has to be some 'hardware' to test apps on. eg. Beta ARM laptop kit. It's both software and hardware transition. Like with the PPC/Intel transition. You need kit to go away and work on. Unless it's going to done with simulation software.
And the 27 inch is just about out of stock. So that's a 'lock' for a WWDC announcement.
If only to keep me happy...
Azrael.
This is exactly what I warned here about TB3 and eGPU a few days ago, and it has already begun.
For those who want to buy macs and expect in the future to improve GPUs with external solutions, I would recommend not hoping for it until a new generation of TB comes out at double speed.
I caught that compare review last night.
In some benches the eGPU storms ahead.
In others the internal solution highlights the limitations of external eGPU through the TB3...where the 5700XT is choked.
Azrael.
I hope you are right, a lot of us will be disappointed if they don’t announce the iMac redesign at WWDC.
ХLA will most likely be for MPX boxes.
Good point. Six months ago, I was sure that the new iMac would be an instant purchase for me, but now it’s more likely no than yes, so it’s highly likely that I will betray you guys with the iMac question in favor of other solutions.
I had fully expected TB4 to be with us by now...and with double the speed AND bandwidth of TB3. The consolidation of marketing semantics and 'tidying' up of TB3/USB3.x specs seems a bit like a wasted opportunity for a port that had promised so much.
And similarly. PCIE3.
PS5 (a console) is tug boating the PC market with it's progressive GPU, breathtaking IO throughput...and sensational SSD speeds. Compared to that the gpus, ports, PCIE3/IO bandwidth and cpus all seem very archaic and kludgey.
So, yes. There is a future for eGPU. But much like the above paragraph. It's in the future...TB5, PCIE5, RDNA3 where things really 'take off.' Faster ports, faster IO and faster SSD...and faster GPUs...chicken and egg. All over again.
Things have been 'stuck' for a while for the last half a decade or so. Mediocre progress in cpu, gpu and io and SSDs taking a good 8 years to become mainstream.
With the real bright spot, for me, being the progress of Apple's A series cpu/gpu.
*cheer up, Azrael. eGPU will be a 'big boy' one day in the future...
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The 'wriggle' word is 'primarily.'
As in about 95% of it.
But the 27 has dried up and even Apple should be able to preview that and ship it in July.
...and Mac ARM surely needs Beta kit to let Dev's get started. Whilst it's primarily a software transition you need hardware for it to run on. And dev's need to get krackin' on porting if the Mac ARM is to have any apps next year.
So, I'd expect at least a couple of hardware announcements.
iMac.
Mac ARM.
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It's about what you have right now (in my case, nothing...no Mac.
...) and whether you can wait until the fall.I long ago realised with the advent of the PS5 and RDNA2 that fall of this year was going to be a 'moment in time' nexus point that we've been waiting for (or I have...) about 5-8 years (in my case.)
CPU and GPU progress has been tortuously incremental. With high prices for 5% here...and 10% there with the usual 'up to' caveats.
Super-meh.
With AMD's move to chiplet tech' there have been disruptions to the cpu market. And Apple have been leading the cpu disruption with their very own A class chip completely smashing the mobile opposition in phones, pads and most laptops now. To the point where the Mac ARM is going to be another such inflexion point...
...and as we've seen from PS5 live. The RDNA2 is going to be nothing short of astonishing. (But note, the RDNA2 isn't doing this in isolation. With the tremendous improvements to IO throughput, SSD with insta-load...and great surround sound innovation.
If people have a machine that can hold out (WWDC caveat not withstanding...) I would suggest they do.
As for 'other' solutions.
Apple don't offer 'gaming' Macs. So that's a sizeable market that buys PC towers.
Apple don't offer this year's gpus. So that's a sizeable gaming and creative market that might buy PC towers.
Apple don't offer a compelling cutting edge product under £1k. But Sony do.
Different solutions.
Game? PS5. £400-500.
Render? PC Toer. £1300 PC.
Creative serenity? £2k iMac.
Apple don't have to be all things to all people. But I think they could serve certain areas better.
Azrael.
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i would imagine it can be pretty thick and still maintain an esthetic punch due to the lack of a chin. You have a point though, I remember the first all white flat screen iMac had cooling/fan noise issues. Hopefully we don’t have too many kinks for a new design.
The problem is that TB4 did not promise an increase in speed. At the moment, it’s rather a rebranding of TB3.
What about the future of eGPU ... let's see, but I have doubts about this. Embedded solutions now get a big leap, probably even unprecedented for many years, and they will be very powerful, and TB5 (?) will not be among the masses very soon. Technology needs to be launched, and then a large amount of capable equipment sold. A few years of such idle time may portend the end of eGPU as a mass solution, which was certainly striking.
Postscript:
If you were following the news, in recent days the titanic number of user complaints by Final Cut Pro says that it’s intentional or accidental, but Apple has disabled rendering through eGPU. If this is not a mistake and not a bug ...?
Should be fine.
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Probably got the flat edge and thickness of the old 24 inch iMac alu' designs.
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That mentioned in the 'review' of the eGPU. That Catalina was a backward step in eGPU performance. I wondered if it had been hobbled...as some of Final Cut benches seemed really off.
Nothing cripples hardware like software...
As for the future. I look at the iPad and imagine it at 24 inches. An embedded future.
Just look at the PS5 compared to the brute force box of the PC.
It seems like SoCs and Embedded are the future. ...why else would Apple be moving to Mac ARM.
Azrael.
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Again good point. But everything is somewhat different with me, and you are not alone in this trouble.It's about what you have right now (in my case, nothing...no Mac.
I long ago realised with the advent of the PS5 and RDNA2 that fall of this year was going to be a 'moment in time' nexus point that we've been waiting for (or I have...) about 5-8 years (in my case.)
CPU and GPU progress has been tortuously incremental. With high prices for 5% here...and 10% there with the usual 'up to' caveats.
Super-meh.
I sold my iMac 27" Late 2013 in February 2019 in anticipation of the new iMac, because I knew that I would have a little time to wait. But what was shown in March 2019 did not suit me from the word at all.
Therefore, having foreseen such a scenario as well, I sat on the temporary spare 21.5" 2017 (for FUSION SAKES !!!) and still endure this FUSION burden.
The whole FUSION year I endure this disgrace and wait as well as the majority here. However, I personally have doubts about the current iMac because of the GPU, eGPU, processors, transition ... all taken together. So now I intend to wait for the WWDC, get the maximum information and forecasts for the future, refute / confirm my fears about new iMacs and act.
The tower began to be considered as an option.
Sheer bloody poetry.
The 2019 iMac fell short for me. Certainly in terms of the prices being charged and the upsell prices.
Fusion sakes. An old platter tech' masquerading as an SSD drive and still going 8 years later. *Deary me.* ('Guys...GUYS...what the Fusion is going on over there in Mac desktop HQ?')
Paltry 8 gigs of ram.
A low end GPU...with 3 year old Polaris. I just couldn't pull the trigger on that lot.
I think, compared to a 2012 (myself...) or a 2013 iMac...the 'new' iMac will seem like like a speed demon with an i9 cpu, rdna1, 16 gigs of ram and a 512 gig SSD. The overall boost in all those parts will feel substantial as a whole and worthy update.
Even the entry £1750 model for those who are less 'certain' will prove an attractive proposition whilst we consider where Apple goes next.
But for those that can wait (and have the budget...) to see the iMac Pro unveiled with it's probably RDNA2 and don't want to suffer the vagaries of Apple's Catalina eGPU support...and have a machine can fill the time breach until late this year...
Azrael.
Bloomberg article summarising what to expect on Monday suggests no iMac....
9to5mac.com
’The software updates will set the stage for a range of new hardware devices also launching this year, including a new Apple Watch, four redesigned iPhones, the new HomePod and Apple TV box, as well as updates to the iMac and MacBook Pro. The company also plans its first pair of over-ear headphones as well as an accessory for finding physical objects, which will integrate with the new software.’
Bloomberg outlines what to expect at WWDC, new Apple TV and HomePod coming 'later this year’ - 9to5Mac
Ahead of WWDC 2020 officially kicking off on Monday, a new report from Bloomberg today offers a broader look at...
9to5mac.com
’The software updates will set the stage for a range of new hardware devices also launching this year, including a new Apple Watch, four redesigned iPhones, the new HomePod and Apple TV box, as well as updates to the iMac and MacBook Pro. The company also plans its first pair of over-ear headphones as well as an accessory for finding physical objects, which will integrate with the new software.’
Gurman knows his ****, but everything points to an iMac on Monday. It’s easy to read too much into the wording of these articles.