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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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I hope not! I really don't want to pay extra for touchscreen feature etc. That is not the purpose of iMac. iMac is a desktop computer and anyone who works long hours on computer has an ergonomic setup so moving things in and out is not ideal. Either Apple introduces bigger iPad or they will create a new category and introduce Apple Studio (what MS studio is) and design that product specifically for those artists that want to use it like that.
People argue against touchscreen are the ones that understand why it is a bad idea.
If Apple makes a touchscreen then it will be flat device or device that you put flat/low angle. No other way works and those who say otherwise simply have no clue about ergonomics.
I hope Apple is smart enough to know not to blend those two products together and create a 'meh' compromise.
People argue against touchscreen are the ones that understand why it is a bad idea.
If Apple makes a touchscreen then it will be flat device or device that you put flat/low angle. No other way works and those who say otherwise simply have no clue about ergonomics.
I hope Apple is smart enough to know not to blend those two products together and create a 'meh' compromise.
AS iMacs will likely be lighter and it would be well within Apple's capabilities to hinge them down either flat or slightly tilted from a desk. Im sure I would enjoy a touchscreen iMac even just to browse the web on. I prefer swiping on an iPad than using a mouse for web browsing. Moving my keyboard and mouse out of the way wouldnt fret me at all. There seems to be people who argue vehemently against touchscreens and try to ricidule the idea and those who want a touchscreen. People who say you would get gorilla arm or your arm would be exhausted using a touchscreen should speak for themselves.
I really doubt it will have touchscreen.
Youtubers are really good at finding things completely unlikely to happen and details to support themselves.
The only argument is the screen brightness. But they done this purposedly. If it wasn't that big, do you think that little grandma would be able to slide the cursor with her mouse or trackpad ?
UI designers have to think about every possible type of clients, including if they have disabilities or not. If it's too small, it won't be usable by a tiny percentage of the population. If it's big enough, stupid Youtubers think the iMac will be touchscreen.
Youtubers are really good at finding things completely unlikely to happen and details to support themselves.
The only argument is the screen brightness. But they done this purposedly. If it wasn't that big, do you think that little grandma would be able to slide the cursor with her mouse or trackpad ?
UI designers have to think about every possible type of clients, including if they have disabilities or not. If it's too small, it won't be usable by a tiny percentage of the population. If it's big enough, stupid Youtubers think the iMac will be touchscreen.
Touchscreen will be the last thing I want on an iMac.
I and many other artists I know think the Apple Pencil is leagues better than Wacom tablets. Wacom’s lag can be pretty bad. I know a good number of people who have wacoms collecting dust and prefer the iPad Pro. An iMac that like the ms studio would be an instant buy for a lot of artists.
Apple have talked repeatedly about the usability difference between vertical screen macOS and horizontal screen iPadOS. The iPad has the keyboard option to use it vertically, but it highlights the compromises: More bulk than a laptop and weight that is in the screen, not the base, so has more complex hinge requirements.
A touchscreen iMac would have benefits for some, but downsides the majority. There are extra costs such as ensuring the stand, frame, and screen can cope with weight on them, even if much of the time it will just be hands. It will have to be designed for the outlier uses, not everyone is careful and delicate. Apple have got rid of glass layers to reduce screen reflections massively. That would likely be lost. Cable connections would also have to be taken into account. Note the Microsoft Surface Studio has the connections on the base, not the back of the screen like the iMac.
A touchscreen iMac would have benefits for some, but downsides the majority. There are extra costs such as ensuring the stand, frame, and screen can cope with weight on them, even if much of the time it will just be hands. It will have to be designed for the outlier uses, not everyone is careful and delicate. Apple have got rid of glass layers to reduce screen reflections massively. That would likely be lost. Cable connections would also have to be taken into account. Note the Microsoft Surface Studio has the connections on the base, not the back of the screen like the iMac.
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Yea I mean I’d benefit greatly from touch but certainly don‘t ’need‘ it. What the iMac mostly excels at for me is being a great value for a machine capable of drafting/rendering. Which is why I’m constantly checking for this impending update that probably wont come for weeks! 😩
No, they argue against it because they do not need it.
So artist, one of the classical core Apple customers, should have a subpar iMac? The low end iMac running ARM will not have pencil support (I would be surprised) because it will be too expensive. However, a future iMac Pro might have pencil support.
Remember when i told you that this week we will see DevKit arrivals and benchmarks in the news?
Rosetta 2 Benchmarks Surface From Mac Mini With A12Z Chip
Massively hoping for Wednesday next week to be the day for a new iMac. By than arm talk should have calmed down and it would fit my "WWDC was delayed for two weeks to fit in iMac, but that got screwed over by BLM protest/riots" narrative.
Rosetta 2 Benchmarks Surface From Mac Mini With A12Z Chip
Massively hoping for Wednesday next week to be the day for a new iMac. By than arm talk should have calmed down and it would fit my "WWDC was delayed for two weeks to fit in iMac, but that got screwed over by BLM protest/riots" narrative.
No, they just don't want to force everything everywhere.
Its not about subpar iMac. iMac is not the right product to be touchscreen. It would need to be completely reworked just for that. If anything, Apple could introduce new iMac Studio which would be for this but don't force this crazy idea on standard iMac. I use Wacom all the time at work and at home and actually hardly ever use mouse (except for games and some other things) but I would really hate for iMac to go that direction. It just simply isn't the right product.
So yeah, if Apple introduces iMac Studio which is designed specifically for touch use in mind then sure, lets give it to artists. Until then though, don't cripple normal iMac with this as it would introduce subpar overall experience for everyone.
If Apple is smart then they will introduce big ipad which is way better than what you guys keep on proposing.
Did you read the comments from some of the people? They are now saying how the are afraid etc. and that Apple should wait with the transition blah blah blah.
Its hilarious how common sense has disappeared and one would expect that this forum would have people smart enough to know what Apple did there.
Anyway, next week sounds great although the more we wait the better it might be, maybe
Who knows, we will find out soon
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Its not about subpar iMac. iMac is not the right product to be touchscreen. It would need to be completely reworked just for that. If anything, Apple could introduce new iMac Studio which would be for this but don't force this crazy idea on standard iMac. I use Wacom all the time at work and at home and actually hardly ever use mouse (except for games and some other things) but I would really hate for iMac to go that direction. It just simply isn't the right product.
So yeah, if Apple introduces iMac Studio which is designed specifically for touch use in mind then sure, lets give it to artists. Until then though, don't cripple normal iMac with this as it would introduce subpar overall experience for everyone.
If Apple is smart then they will introduce big ipad which is way better than what you guys keep on proposing.
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Did you read the comments from some of the people? They are now saying how the are afraid etc. and that Apple should wait with the transition blah blah blah.
Its hilarious how common sense has disappeared and one would expect that this forum would have people smart enough to know what Apple did there.
Anyway, next week sounds great although the more we wait the better it might be, maybe
Who knows, we will find out soon
Remember when i told you that this week we will see DevKit arrivals and benchmarks in the news?
Rosetta 2 Benchmarks Surface From Mac Mini With A12Z Chip
Massively hoping for Wednesday next week to be the day for a new iMac. By than arm talk should have calmed down and it would fit my "WWDC was delayed for two weeks to fit in iMac, but that got screwed over by BLM protest/riots" narrative.
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There isnt a written consititution for the purpose of a desktop. People use a desktop for a whole range of purposes. Not everyone will want to use a touchscreen iMac, but they dont hold the rights to "a bad idea". I bet a lot of people thought a pencil would be a bad idea for an iPad.
I can see Apple producing something that looks like the Dell P2418HT touchscreen in a few years, more likely with the ability to go lower.
I can see Apple producing something that looks like the Dell P2418HT touchscreen in a few years, more likely with the ability to go lower.
I hope not! I really don't want to pay extra for touchscreen feature etc. That is not the purpose of iMac. iMac is a desktop computer and anyone who works long hours on computer has an ergonomic setup so moving things in and out is not ideal. Either Apple introduces bigger iPad or they will create a new category and introduce Apple Studio (what MS studio is) and design that product specifically for those artists that want to use it like that.
People argue against touchscreen are the ones that understand why it is a bad idea.
If Apple makes a touchscreen then it will be flat device or device that you put flat/low angle. No other way works and those who say otherwise simply have no clue about ergonomics.
I hope Apple is smart enough to know not to blend those two products together and create a 'meh' compromise.
I'm ok with that. But don't force it onto an iMac. Create another product that is as best as it can be for the use you plan to use.
The posted one looks ok, but its not an iMac. Thats what I meant.
P.s.: How does this monster sell and review? ;-)
The posted one looks ok, but its not an iMac. Thats what I meant.
P.s.: How does this monster sell and review? ;-)
If the iMac had the functionality, but was taken away in an update, then sub par would be fair, but that isn’t the case.
There are better solutions out there such as a Wacom, and better options for Apple if they want to support that functionality. A larger iPad is one. I like the idea of a much larger Magic Trackpad with a screen for the surface. I’d consider buying that, even though graphics is only a small part of my work. It would also be of benefit to others as part of it could be used as a touch bar when not doing graphics.
Pencil support wouldn't be a bad thing to have on an MS Studio-like iMac… it'd be one less peripheral on my desk. My concern is that the feature would bring many of the Studio's disadvantages to the iMac — namely, weak mobile hardware that can't ever be upgraded. The 27" iMac has traditionally been the full power desktop CPU workhorse for anybody who can't quite justify a Mac Pro, and unless Apple finally introduces that long-sought PowerMac-like midrange Mac tower, I don't want that to change.
I'm ok with that. But don't force it onto an iMac. Create another product that is as best as it can be for the use you plan to use.
The posted one looks ok, but its not an iMac. Thats what I meant.
P.s.: How does this monster sell and review? ;-)
I havent forced anything. Thats what I think and hope an iMac will look like at some point. You shouldnt force your idea of what an iMac should be on people; however youve been pretty forceful so far.
I do think that this thing will never be an iMac. This is a niche machine that has nothing in common with a computer like the iMac that is intended for the average consumer use. There is already the iPad 12.9, at most you can hope for a larger iPad (although as far as I'm concerned I would never buy it).
Ok, let me rephrase that. I don't want iMac to change in the direction you want. It would introduce too many compromises etc. and the whole iMac would change and not for better.
Just look at the Dell monster.
As others pointed out, there are better solution to the problem - this isn't one of them. And from what Apple told us throughout the years they seem to agree with what I'm saying here. (or more to the point I agree with them)
I'm forceful? Well, you could see it that way - I see it as direct and honest. I will also defend the product I believe are in the right spot and I will be defensive when someone will come with an idea that is just not good one or is not right for the product. AiO doesn't mean ALL in one! Every decision, every feature and everything is carefully planned and everything that goes into a product need to supplement it or make it a better experience. Thats why Apple told us many times that its not about what you put in but often what you don't put in
So, you can call it forceful and thats fine. You may want a hybrid that might cripple the experience in certain areas and I don't. I would rather be "forceful" about something I believe is right than to throw everything in and say: "Hey guys, now you have all the features in you asked for. Voila" :-D :-D :-D
If Apple listened to people then we would probably still had floppy disks, dvd drives etc.
Why? Because as Steve Jobs said himself - people have no idea what they want (And he used the Ford quote about the faster horses)
It really is that simple. Its all about the right experience with Apple and it has always been like that. I don't always 100% agree with their decisions but I agree with their approach. You just can't give people everything as you would essentially kill your business.
Just look at the Dell monster.
As others pointed out, there are better solution to the problem - this isn't one of them. And from what Apple told us throughout the years they seem to agree with what I'm saying here. (or more to the point I agree with them)
I'm forceful? Well, you could see it that way - I see it as direct and honest. I will also defend the product I believe are in the right spot and I will be defensive when someone will come with an idea that is just not good one or is not right for the product. AiO doesn't mean ALL in one! Every decision, every feature and everything is carefully planned and everything that goes into a product need to supplement it or make it a better experience. Thats why Apple told us many times that its not about what you put in but often what you don't put in
So, you can call it forceful and thats fine. You may want a hybrid that might cripple the experience in certain areas and I don't. I would rather be "forceful" about something I believe is right than to throw everything in and say: "Hey guys, now you have all the features in you asked for. Voila" :-D :-D :-D
If Apple listened to people then we would probably still had floppy disks, dvd drives etc.
Why? Because as Steve Jobs said himself - people have no idea what they want (And he used the Ford quote about the faster horses)
It really is that simple. Its all about the right experience with Apple and it has always been like that. I don't always 100% agree with their decisions but I agree with their approach. You just can't give people everything as you would essentially kill your business.
27 inch is going to happen at some point in july. Apple might think ARM is to big to push a new iMac (if it's a redesign) next week, but even if they wait three or four weeks after WWDC... this is happening. 27 inch pretty much has sold out for a month now online, theres like three Apple stores in Germany were you could walk in and buy one according to the website.
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Yeah, I feel july is very likely and I think you are right that next week is very likely. I'm looking forward to it. Hope its worth the wait otherwise I might wait and just get the 24" ARM.
We shall see
We shall see
27 inch (the bigger iMac) is 100% going to be a intel iMac this year. The high level of performance as well as the software required simply forbids a super abrupt switch.
No one knows if the smaller iMac actually is going to be 24 and ARM right away. It might just be refreshed with intel at the same time as per usual. Or it might be stuck with last years model and be replaced with ARM once MacOS Big Sur is released.
I think we maybe get a redesigned 27“ IMac Soon and in two years a 27“ iMac Witz silicon Chip.
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