Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[DrRadon]

Will it be next week? I have given up. It would have been nice to be out last week so I could have had it as part of my business expense as our financial year ended yesterday.

There is no guarantee it's next week. But if it's not next week it's bound to happen in the two after. It's going to be intel anyway, there is no reason to delay it and not cash in on people that are waiting for a new computer. Asides for of cause marketing reasons right now, so close to WWDC and the ARM announcement.

 

[FrankySavvy]

Good morning!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1278124856924614656

https://twitter.com/x/status/1278129146711982080

What do they mean by special 95W SKU? Cause this mean its a redesign?

 

[DrRadon]

What do they mean by special 95W SKU? Cause this mean its a redesign?

he istalking about the cpu.

 

[FrankySavvy]

he istalking about the cpu.

Gotcha - does any of this geekbench indicate if the chassis is a new design at all?

 

[jetjaguar]

Just release it already .. WTF are they waiting for

 

[DrRadon]

Just release it already .. WTF are they waiting for

It's all just marketing. Last week was WWDC, this week is devkits arriving. They are waiting for a moment not to blow their own news out of the water, especially if it is a redesign that makes a reasonable splash in all online and offline media.

 

[iindigo]

Hardware specs are a good sign, but I'm nervous that the top end GPU on the regular 27" is going to be the 5500 XT, with the Pro 5700 XT going to the iMac Pro refresh (which is probably still a few months away). Don't get me wrong, 5500 XT is a nice bump up from the 580X, but it's still going to struggle to drive 5K with anything graphically demanding.

 

[DrRadon]

Hardware specs are a good sign, but I'm nervous that the top end GPU on the regular 27" is going to be the 5500 XT, with the Pro 5700 XT going to the iMac Pro refresh (which is probably still a few months away). Don't get me wrong, 5500 XT is a nice bump up from the 580X, but it's still going to struggle to drive 5K with anything graphically demanding.

We got to see what the Vega 48 is replaced with.
I don't know if we will see a iMac Pro refresh. I think there have been zero rumors about it.

 

[CWallace]

What do they mean by special 95W SKU? Cause this mean its a redesign?

The current 27" BTO CPUs are 95W so if Intel is making a special 95W i9 for Apple, this is evidence that there will not be a case re-design as most folks felt that using the 125W i9 would have required a case redesign to handle the extra heat.

We got to see what the Vega 48 is replaced with. I don't know if we will see a iMac Pro refresh. I think there have been zero rumors about it.

MCK said that the iMac Pro will be refreshed with a 27" MiniLED display. The most likely replacement for Vega is going to be Navi 22 or Navi 23 RDNA 2.0 parts.



Been listening to a shedload of post-WWDC podcasts am I am now pretty convinced we will see a new Apple Silicon iMac (likely at 24") and it will adopt the iPad Pro design language with a rounded display with minimal bezels and hopefully FaceID and a real webcam.

I am also pretty convinced the Intel 27" iMac refresh coming will look just like the current one - especially if it will have a 95W CPU and a mid-range Navi 14 GPU (which will run cooler than a Navi 10 GPU).

 

[Kjs100]

Just release it already .. WTF are they waiting for

I think there's a blockage in Apple's pipeline.
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We got to see what the Vega 48 is replaced with.
I don't know if we will see a iMac Pro refresh. I think there have been zero rumors about it.

Kuo expected a 27" mini-LED iMac Pro to launch in the fourth quarter of 2020. Possibly slipped into 2021.

Apple Still Expected to Launch High End 12.9-inch iPad Pro With Mini LED Display Tech in Fourth Quarter of 2020

Apple is still on course to launch a 12.9-inch iPad Pro with a mini-LED display later this year, according to Taiwanese industry publication...

www.macrumors.com

 

[iindigo]

If that's true, there's going to be quite a stretch of time where half or more of the iMac Pro configs will look a little silly compared to the upper half of regular iMac configs. Not that this situation is unusual, but between the regular iMac refresh and the Mac Pro I just don't see the iMac Pro selling many units until its refresh happens.

 

[DrRadon]

Kuo expected a 27" mini-LED iMac Pro to launch in the fourth quarter of 2020. Possibly slipped into 2021.

Apple Still Expected to Launch High End 12.9-inch iPad Pro With Mini LED Display Tech in Fourth Quarter of 2020

Apple is still on course to launch a 12.9-inch iPad Pro with a mini-LED display later this year, according to Taiwanese industry publication...

www.macrumors.com

Meanwhile everyone else just sees Apples 27 inch stock run completely dry for five weeks now with plenty of other leakers suggesting a new iMac is ready.
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I am also pretty convinced the Intel 27" iMac refresh coming will look just like the current one - especially if it will have a 95W CPU and a mid-range Navi 14 GPU (which will run cooler than a Navi 10 GPU).

The 95W was a guess by the leaker, not a actual leak.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1278262882292183040

 

[pldelisle]

The current 27" BTO CPUs are 95W so if Intel is making a special 95W i9 for Apple, this is evidence that there will not be a case re-design as most folks felt that using the 125W i9 would have required a case redesign to handle the extra heat.

Exactly what I thought. No redesign 99.9% sure.

 

[patrick.a]

Exactly what I thought. No redesign 99.9% sure.

Ok, yeah... Maybe. But still: It could also just mean that they didn't want to design a case around 125W knowing AS is not going to need this much power when they do the transition for the 27inch iMac next year. So there is still a chance!

 

[pldelisle]

Ok, yeah... Maybe. But still: It could also just mean that they didn't want to design a case around 125W knowing AS is not going to need this much power when they do the transition for the 27inch iMac next year. So there is still a chance!

Maybe ! Let's hope for this, but I think Apple is reserving the redesign to Apple Silicon since this would leverage additional value to the new architecture.

 

[DrRadon]

Guys. The 95w was A GUESS by the guy that leaked. It's not a leak. Its a guess by the leaker.

 

[Juzo Fuwa]

Hey guys. I get that all we can do is speculate at this point, but is there anything even remotely resembling certainty that the first AS iMac will be 24”? I get that the AS iMac will probably be faster than the 27” iMac that’s allegedly impending, but I really don’t want to downgrade screen size. I’m considering buying the impending 27” Intel, then when a 27” AS comes out, sell the Intel and buy the AS.

And is there any word of how the Windows emulator makers (Parallels, etc.) are doing with the AS dev kits? Will there be a suitable Windows alternative on the Mac again without Boot Camp, or is building a PC going to be the most likely option?

 

[Freida]

I really hope we get much better GPU options for REASONABLE price

 

[pldelisle]

All rumors point to a 24’’ iMac. I don’t know why this size, but it seems like the 21.5’’ won’t exist anymore, will be replaced by this 24’’ and the 27’’ will be replaced by a 30 or 32’’ ARM iMac.


As for Windows, nothing. i have followed a bit this week about it, and Microsoft has to open the licensing for Windows ARM to non-OEM. Currently, Windows ARM can only be installed and sold by OEM vendors. An individual cannot install it on its machine. Microsoft still have to open this to even make it a possibility to run on AS Macs under virtualization with Parallels. Since Apple Silicon is a custom chip, it is very unlikely Windows will ever be able to boot natively through Boot Camp for example. And even if Windows can be virtualized, it won’t be very useful since ARM programs are almost non-existant on Windows ARM.

Windows on the mac is dead.

 

[FrankySavvy]

I think this is the redesigned iMac with intel, which will be the 27” variant, the rumored 24” will be the first ARM iMac and that is not coming until late this year or early next.

 

[DrRadon]

I really hope we get much better GPU options for REASONABLE price

If this is a 2500€ 27 inch base model i would gladly ad another 1000-1500€ for 2tb SSD and the upsell GPU and walk away happy under 4000€ total.

 

[anthony13]

Hey guys. I get that all we can do is speculate at this point, but is there anything even remotely resembling certainty that the first AS iMac will be 24”? I get that the AS iMac will probably be faster than the 27” iMac that’s allegedly impending, but I really don’t want to downgrade screen size. I’m considering buying the impending 27” Intel, then when a 27” AS comes out, sell the Intel and buy the AS.

And is there any word of how the Windows emulator makers (Parallels, etc.) are doing with the AS dev kits? Will there be a suitable Windows alternative on the Mac again without Boot Camp, or is building a PC going to be the most likely option?

Guessing, but based on everything I've seen, the first AS iMac in the Fall/Winter will be a 24" frame. The reasons for the smaller screen? I guess that it's the replacement for the 21" iMac (the 'lower power' version). So in that sense, it's actually not a smaller screen, it's a larger screen.

I think sometime next year we'll see a more powerful 30 or 33 inch AS replacement for the 27" iMac. It's been heavily rumored that the initial products upgraded to AS will be the lower tier versions.

 

[xgman]

If they could sneak the benchmark, why not a picture? I hope this isn't in the same chassis, but I sense that it may be likley. If that is the case, I'm not sure how many of us would run and buy one rather than just wait it out at this point. However, if not a change in design, that would hint that any 27 design change is a late 21 situation. Can't imagine they would bump these specs and then redesign 6 months later. Again, all baseless speculation..

 

[pldelisle]

If they could sneak the benchmark, why not a picture? I hope this isn't in the same chassis, but I sense that it may be likley. If that is the case, I'm not sure how many of us would run and buy one rather than just wait it out at this point. However, if not a change in design, that would hint that any 27 design change is a late 21 situation. Can't imagine they would bump these specs and then redesign 6 months later. Again, all baseless speculation..

AS iMac will likely have lower thermal requirements. It make sense that the next Intel iMac would just be a spec bump without complete redesign. The internals might get the iMac Pro cooling system, but I doubt the external design will be different from what we know.

We don’t een know if the AS iMac will even get dedicated graphics.

While I still have a working Mac, I will wait until the AS iMac is out. I wanna be from those firsts to get it. I will make the line up if I need to. Hope it won’t be this winter, sleeping in a tent outside in Montreal in January is freaking cold.

 

[anthony13]

Still holding out hope for a redesigned intel. I get the thermal argument but if this is the power iMac option for the next year, it's not too crazy to think they'll throw us a bone.