It doesn’t need to match it in raw numbers. If in real world usage it’s better (and it will be), it’s all what matters in platform specific mindset.
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It doesn’t need to match it in raw numbers. If in real world usage it’s better (and it will be), it’s all what matters in platform specific mindset.
And apple will sell them to you with confidence, and be like "stop bugging us" when you feel like spending 2000-5000€ on a machine brought flaws a machine on that price level should not have. Take five leftover super small macbook keyboards.
Yeah, of course. RAW numbers are pointless. All I care about is that Maya viewport is fast, occasional gaming from Blizzard games is fast and on highest settings and photography editing is smooth.
The editing is given that it will be fine.
Maya and gaming = not so sure
The editing is given that it will be fine.
Maya and gaming = not so sure
This 9th business is quite interesting NGL. I don't know who deals with the economics of Apple, but releasing anything Intel in the coming months is surely going to result in very low sales of the product, apart from those who either really want Intel are none the wiser, or have no machine to drive at present.
I'm hoping for an AS 27" iMac with better than 15" 2020 MBP graphics and CPU later this year, but I'm happy to wait until next summer for this. Like folks have said up above, the CPU will leave Intel hanging by a thread, but the GPU, it's something else. I'm unsure what Metal works on, but I got a significant speed boost with Adobe when running Metal, if it's all similar stuff, then great.
It's a really interesting period for Apple, I really like where they are going with their product line. I can see in 4-5 years there just being an Apple OS and developers build apps once and scale and remove functionality accordingly. It will be incredibly seamless to continue working as you move from your desktop to your ipad to your phone as you're walking from your office to the cab to waiting at a restaurant for your friend.
I'm hoping for an AS 27" iMac with better than 15" 2020 MBP graphics and CPU later this year, but I'm happy to wait until next summer for this. Like folks have said up above, the CPU will leave Intel hanging by a thread, but the GPU, it's something else. I'm unsure what Metal works on, but I got a significant speed boost with Adobe when running Metal, if it's all similar stuff, then great.
It's a really interesting period for Apple, I really like where they are going with their product line. I can see in 4-5 years there just being an Apple OS and developers build apps once and scale and remove functionality accordingly. It will be incredibly seamless to continue working as you move from your desktop to your ipad to your phone as you're walking from your office to the cab to waiting at a restaurant for your friend.
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Ugh I am so conflicted. I ordered some pc parts and then cancelled. It is like I want to build a pc and then I have second thoughts.
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Look at this powerhouse on the apple refurb store
Refurbished 27 inch iMac 3.6GHz 8 core Intel Core i9 with Retina 5K display and Radeon Pro Vega 48 - Apple
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Apple has 8 cores while 5700 XT has "40 Compute unites" (not sure how this translates). A larger AS could harbour 40 cores and readily support a 5k screen. Today the GPU on A12Z takes up a bout 25% of the chip with eh size of 135 mm2. A larger chip, say 250 mm2 (same as 5700XT) and a node shrink can easily get us 40 cores. It will be interesting to see if also AS GPU and related computer coprocessors (ML, neural engine etc) will have better performance per watt than AMD/NVIDIA.The only thing I'm truly "concerned" about is the GPU performance.
Will Apple be able to match GPUs performance like 5700XT and better OR will we have to wait for them to catch up?
When one thinks about it, the 12.9" iPad has 2732 x 2048 resolution (5 595 136 pixels) and everything you throw at it is super smooth. 27" iMac has 5120 x 2880 (14 745 600 pixels) . So that translates to iMac 2.63x more pixels to drive.
The question now is can the iPad drive 2.63x more pixels and still be fine? Well, A12Z showed us that it can but how about the computing etc.?
Can the current games and GPU instensive tasks be computed with the same speed as 5700XT lets say? (and thats not even amazing top card but good mid range).
I have no doubt that first AS will blow Intel out the water but can it blow AMD/Nvidia too? That is something I'm not sure about. Sure, it will be good for optimised things but what about the rest?
I think there is a reason why 24" iMac will be first and it might be because of GPU performance. Why else would they not introduce them together? As one would imagine that the AS chip inside will probably be identical to both machines.
Unless Apple wants to offer variants and in that case we might have a new "mess" on our hands.
It will be interesting to see what they do. Ideally, I would want new entry level Mac Pro that is half the price so I can get an expandable machine and if they do it then I might buy the screen even if its crazy expensive.
If A12Z can drive it now then I guess A14M will have even easier time. There really is no reason for entry Mac Pro to be this expensive and if Apple does their own chips now they will save tons of money on Intel and AMD which would allow them to create a new "category" of a product within a product.
Prosumers were priced out on the Mac Pro machine but this would bring a lot of them back. Everyone wins
Or, they could do Mac Pro mini version. That would work too
The strategy is likely not to embarrass Intel/AMD/NVIDIA in terms of raw performance but in performance per watt. That and in-house design will, as you say, give Apple very good opportunities to build new and cost efficient products. Development costs of AS is shared between all Apple devices (nearly 300 million devices per year) and hence makes the chips extremely inexpensive to develop and make.
First generation Intel wasn't that great as far as I can remember, because they were equipped with 32-bit Core Solo and Core Duo processors. Their maximum OS was 10.6, only one more than the PowerPC Macs, which could run up to 10.5.
However, unlike the PowerPC Macs, you would have to run about everything in Rosetta, which sometimes didn't work or only worked slowly. For example, Microsoft Office only became a Universal Binary in 2008. AppleWorks was retired and replaced by iWork, but Numbers wouldn't be launched until August 2007, and you had to pay for iWork (though I believe it became bundled with new Macs at a certain point).
Also, losing support for Classic was inconvenient for some people, as you couldn't run any Mac OS 9 apps anymore.
Of course, in the long term Intel was a huge improvement over PowerPC.
There is reason tot believe that the switch to ARM will be much smoother; also, the fact that you can run iOS apps is huge. However, Boot Camp will be missed, and the future of the Mac Pro is still unclear. Time will tell.
However, unlike the PowerPC Macs, you would have to run about everything in Rosetta, which sometimes didn't work or only worked slowly. For example, Microsoft Office only became a Universal Binary in 2008. AppleWorks was retired and replaced by iWork, but Numbers wouldn't be launched until August 2007, and you had to pay for iWork (though I believe it became bundled with new Macs at a certain point).
Also, losing support for Classic was inconvenient for some people, as you couldn't run any Mac OS 9 apps anymore.
Of course, in the long term Intel was a huge improvement over PowerPC.
There is reason tot believe that the switch to ARM will be much smoother; also, the fact that you can run iOS apps is huge. However, Boot Camp will be missed, and the future of the Mac Pro is still unclear. Time will tell.
That's an excellent point Mr. P'.
There will be 'raw' performance that will unsettle Intel (they've sat on their lead.)
Now they're firing blanks.
The iPad and APple are about 'feel.'
And the iMac 24 is going to be a feel monster. AS cpu will lose 35% in emulation/translation. But the A14 chip will be 40% faster than the A12z currently test. At least. That's just the iPad version. Per core. So add in software stack optimisations and all those 'co-processors' and unlock the clock with active cooling and it's going to be?
More than 40%. It's going to be more like 100%. A bloodbath.
You only need 40% to cancel out the emulation penalty or running Intel software.
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Intel haven't been 'great' for a very, very long time. They haven't really had competition for most of their tenure.
Now a 1200 pound Gorilla gets in the ring with the 800 pound Gorilla. What do we think is going to have?
Intel always had process to watch their back. Now they've stuffed that up? They're in big trouble. They have a real fight on their hands from their closest working partner.
They bleeped up big time not doing the iPhone for Steve. He did ask...
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Think I did my Thesis on that machine...
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£3k? Leave it out. May as well put it to the new machine which will probably bury that one.
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9. Nice to have. But not essential.
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I have a good source telling me Amazon Canada didn't buy a single Intel server since beginning of the year. 100% AMD EPYC servers.
Just saying...
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Looks like it's game over for this week too...
Man this crap is annoying. Too many options and I just want to purchase something already and be done with it.
Man this crap is annoying. Too many options and I just want to purchase something already and be done with it.
I think you'll be in for a pleasant surprise.
AS 'raw' will surprise many. But the software stack tied with AS 'co-processors' (eg, a co-processor to accelerate 4k rendering...for video...) will be what makes the hollistic user experience more 'iPad Smooth as Butter.' The sum will be greater than its parts.
ANd that's why even teh A12z threw around 4k video streams whilst running a 32 inch XDR 6k monitor. (And many say a 6k iMac would 'eat up' the gpu improvement of say a 5700XT...) But I didn't see any lag whilst Lara was 1080p'ing her Tomb Raiding. Under emulation. No less. And the Maya scene doing 10 million polys. Shaded. Smooth as silk. This from a program that ran 'a bit slow' according to some when it premiered on the Mac a few moons ago.
The raw numbers will more than cancel out the emulation. I think Apple will go for 'out perform Intel under Emulation' for nothing less than total Intel humiliation. And the rest of the co-processors and software stack will put the boot in over distributed work loads such as running a 6k monitor, shaded polys, 4k streams or playing a game.
As for Blizzard. I played WoW for 'a little while.' So I'm well versed in Blood Knights (Great Tank) and Demon Hunters (next generation AT with next level combat...terrific stuff.) I had Open GL performance on my aged 2012 late 27 inch iMac of around 100fps before the Legion patched it down to around 50-60-ish. I switched renders from Gl to Metal. Metal more than had the edge. Much better. And with room to grow, I felt, as an immature API. (I'm talking several years ago now on the 'Green' WoW patch...Demon green everything. Got a bit hard going...all that green...) Even a 21 inch iMac could run it well from 2012/13 wiht the addition of an external SSD and running on Metal.
My point. Software. Software. And? Any hard ware improvement on the A12z is going to impress. A locked and loaded unclocked co-processor cpu with many many gpu cores is going to bury the Mac Mini, Macbook 13 and the iMac 24. That's were this cpu war is going to start. It will make those machines seem laughable in value terms as they are right now. So much so, that they'll run WoW and Maya even better than the demos' apple showed on campus. We're talking entry models doing pro work. Will you need a 'Mac Pro' at £6k if the Mac Mini can beat out the entry model for £799?
You'll have a mini, an Airbook and an iMac 24 with actual gpu performance. Instead of 6 cpu cores? 8. Plus 4 more low power ones. And the Intel iG will be buried. With a spade. A big one.
As for the 27-30-32 inch iMac ARM? Probably AS15. And that would will destroy Intel...on every level. But we'll have to wait longer for that. But not that much longer...I suspect.
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*Nods. That Mr. Anderson...is the sound of inevitability.
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I think Bootcamp will be lost and crushed under the swarm of millions of iphone and 1 million iPad apps.
There's a reason Adobe and M$ have begun their transition early this time. £££.
It's called competition. In Adobe's case? There is a deluge of iMage editing apps on iPad. From the noteworthy Affinity Apps and Clip Studio to name just a few. And Affinity are very aggressive in terms of adopting Apple's platform. Mac. iPad. I expect AS will be super quick in porting.
The reason why this transition will be better (the demo's they showed? Much better than Steve's 'slow loading' PS demo'...) is that they started this transition years ago. A slight of hand.
The Mac Pro. Why buy one of those when the AS Mac Mini or iMac 24 inch ARM will bury the entry model Mac Pro?
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Yeah. Put up or shut up territory that one...
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Apple denied the Macbook 'Pro' keyboard for years. If it's a 'macbook' crepe k/b I'm sure it will be a no sale for those that got burned by the clack noise monster that was the Macbook 12 incher and the Pro' keyboard. BlurrrGHHHHHH!.
And they happily sold people bendy iPhones and iPads. It's up to users to hold their wallet...and demand greater structural integrity or simply 'integrity' from the Apple products they buy.
I don't expect that keyboard to make it over after serving their penance at the lash of critics everywhere.
As for £5000. I won't be spending that kind of money on any Apple product. The depreciation isn't worth it. You could buy 3 decent machines for that kind of money.
That's just the nature of the Apple corporation these days. They'll take your money and charge you to fix their design flaws.
Steve's Apple? No. Long gone. Twisted and consumed by the dark side. The Apple we knew is no more.
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Intel introduces Thunderbolt 4 - VideoCardz.com
Introducing Thunderbolt 4: Universal Cable Connectivity for Everyone What’s New: Today, Intel revealed new details about Thunderbolt™ 4, the next generation of its universal cable connectivity solution, delivering increased minimum performance requirements, expanded capabilities and USB4...
TB4. And 'equivalent' ports. All in a nice table to help people like me understand it.
Wonder if the 'new' iMac will get TB4?
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AMD is rumored to launch a new Ryzen Threadripper series for a high-end workstations. AMD to launch Threadripper PRO series? AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3995X processor as leaked by Chiphell Just hours ago we teased an anonymous tip we received regarding a possible launch of AMD Ryzen...
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Doubt we'll get one of these in the new iMac...
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Yeah I think. Apple is still involved in the development of Thunderbolt. It wouldn't even exist without Apple. They will probably implement the chip with Apple Silicon.
Let's be crazy ...
iPad events are usually in March.
WWDC is in June. It's a software event. Will never present new hardware in WWDC.
iPhone events are in September.
With Apple controlling its chip development, we could see an updated AS Mac line up every year. This could take place in October of November, before Christmas time. And it fits the late-September/October Apple macOS release cycle. The .1 version can be installed on anything sold after October 20th-something.
So firsts AS Mac in October/November. MacBook Pro 13 + iMac 24 (with "basic" Silicon).
Second batch in March 2021. MacBook Air + iMac 30/32 (with "X" or "Z" Silicon).
Third batch in October/November 2021. MacBook Pro 16 + Mac mini. MacBook Pro 16 gets Intel Tiger Lake + RDNA2 upgrade meanwhile because it's Pro model and Apple makes freaking good margin on this one and 2 years is too long for a MacBook Pro).
Final batch in March 2022. Mac Pro. Next iteration in October/November 2023 (18 months cycle for the Mac Pro since chip requirements are really high).
This fits the 2-year migration process.
With redesign of everything every 4-5 years. Because Apple now controls everything.
Could I be an Apple leaker with this prediction ? LOL
iPad events are usually in March.
WWDC is in June. It's a software event. Will never present new hardware in WWDC.
iPhone events are in September.
With Apple controlling its chip development, we could see an updated AS Mac line up every year. This could take place in October of November, before Christmas time. And it fits the late-September/October Apple macOS release cycle. The .1 version can be installed on anything sold after October 20th-something.
So firsts AS Mac in October/November. MacBook Pro 13 + iMac 24 (with "basic" Silicon).
Second batch in March 2021. MacBook Air + iMac 30/32 (with "X" or "Z" Silicon).
Third batch in October/November 2021. MacBook Pro 16 + Mac mini. MacBook Pro 16 gets Intel Tiger Lake + RDNA2 upgrade meanwhile because it's Pro model and Apple makes freaking good margin on this one and 2 years is too long for a MacBook Pro).
Final batch in March 2022. Mac Pro. Next iteration in October/November 2023 (18 months cycle for the Mac Pro since chip requirements are really high).
This fits the 2-year migration process.
With redesign of everything every 4-5 years. Because Apple now controls everything.
Could I be an Apple leaker with this prediction ? LOL
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My order status just changed to preparing for shipment with a delivery date on August 5th. So it looks like I will receive the 2019 version.
Which will be updated few weeks later and you will be pissed off as hell.
Why not cancel and wait when you are this close to an update?
Why not cancel and wait when you are this close to an update?