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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
    822
  • Poll closed .
Serious question guys...

Do you think I’ll be able to get a decent price if I sell my 27” 2019 5K iMac later this year? It has the base processor, 16GB and 512GB.

I got it at a REALLY good price, but hope I can still make a little bit extra on it.
 
Let's be crazy ...

iPad events are usually in March.

WWDC is in June. It's a software event. Will never present new hardware in WWDC.

iPhone events are in September.

With Apple controlling its chip development, we could see an updated AS Mac line up every year. This could take place in October of November, before Christmas time. And it fits the late-September/October Apple macOS release cycle. The .1 version can be installed on anything sold after October 20th-something.

So firsts AS Mac in October/November. MacBook Pro 13 + iMac 24 (with "basic" Silicon).

Second batch in March 2021. MacBook Air + iMac 30/32 (with "X" or "Z" Silicon).

Third batch in October/November 2021. MacBook Pro 16 + Mac mini. MacBook Pro 16 gets Intel Tiger Lake + RDNA2 upgrade meanwhile because it's Pro model and Apple makes freaking good margin on this one and 2 years is too long for a MacBook Pro).

Final batch in March 2022. Mac Pro. Next iteration in October/November 2023 (18 months cycle for the Mac Pro since chip requirements are really high).

This fits the 2-year migration process.

With redesign of everything every 4-5 years. Because Apple now controls everything.

Could I be an Apple leaker with this prediction ? LOL

Common sense from Apple history. We can only go on their track record.

AS gives them more control. I expect the transition to be 'done' within a year of the 1st shipping AS Mac.

The March iMac prediction of yours (again, seems logical enough...with the Mac Mini A12z running an XDR then a 6k iMac is no sweat...) seems a juicy but doable one. If I had a working Mac? I'd wait that long.

As for every year. The A'x' schedule gives more clue to the AS schedule, perhaps? The iPhone chip seems a lock for every year. But variants of it? May have more elasticity of 18 month schedules? Or iPad style timings.

Azrael.
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Serious question guys...

Do you think I’ll be able to get a decent price if I sell my 27” 2019 5K iMac later this year? It has the base processor, 16GB and 512GB.

I got it at a REALLY good price, but hope I can still make a little bit extra on it.

Yes. You'll get a decent lump sum for it. 2nd hand eBay iMacs seem expensive to me. So you'll do alright.

Azrael.
 
As for every year. The A'x' schedule gives more clue to the AS schedule, perhaps? The iPhone chip seems a lock for every year. But variants of it? May have more elasticity of 18 month schedules? Or iPad style timings.

Yeah maybe. But I don't think the AS will be linked to the iPhone chip. I just said "every year" because it's more predictable and Apple can "set" predictive events for their computers as well. 24 months release are too spaced. If Apple can't make significant leaps every year, it's very likely to get a 18 months release cycle.
 
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The only thing I'm truly "concerned" about is the GPU performance.

I don't see why Apple cannot eventually offer competitive graphics performance on Apple Silicon. The GPUs in the current A-Series are pretty powerful and those are just with a handful of cores. And with Apple Silicon optimized for Metal that should significantly boost performance as eventually all macOS applications will have to use Metal.
 
I don't see why Apple cannot eventually offer competitive graphics performance on Apple Silicon. The GPUs in the current A-Series are pretty powerful and those are just with a handful of cores. And with Apple Silicon optimized for Metal that should significantly boost performance as eventually all macOS applications will have to use Metal.

This statement from CWallace should be considered immutable for anyone who has doubts about the AS cpu and gpu.

From software and hardware. The move to AS will leverage the £££ of millions of apps and competition that will drag Mac developers kicking and screaming all the way to Mac AS hardware...and they'll have to use Metal to enter this market. And that will bring a synergistic one two punch of performance.

...there's going to be a reckoning that will bury the current embarrassment of Mac hardware served up for premium coin. Say goodbye to the apologies that are the Mini, 21 inch iMac and the Macbook 13 inch.

Unlike the gpus for the Mac market which, in both software (good bye, deprecated, performing half as good as Windows equivalent Open GL...) and GPU hardware, which have trailed Windows to an embarrassing degree the AS gpu will bring storming horde of gpu cores which will deliver real world performance that you can 'feel' in the Mac computer.

Macs being 2nd class gpu citizens and even more so with the recent move to drive the Mac Pro to a £6k price... (*Still* waiting for a year old 5700 mid range card...to enter the consumer/prosumer £1500-£3k space...) will become distant memories in the next two years.

You'll feel better about paying that premium.

Azrael.
 
Common sense from Apple history. We can only go on their track record.

AS gives them more control. I expect the transition to be 'done' within a year of the 1st shipping AS Mac.

The March iMac prediction of yours (again, seems logical enough...with the Mac Mini A12z running an XDR then a 6k iMac is no sweat...) seems a juicy but doable one. If I had a working Mac? I'd wait that long.

As for every year. The A'x' schedule gives more clue to the AS schedule, perhaps? The iPhone chip seems a lock for every year. But variants of it? May have more elasticity of 18 month schedules? Or iPad style timings.

Azrael.
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Yes. You'll get a decent lump sum for it. 2nd hand eBay iMacs seem expensive to me. So you'll do alright.

Azrael.

Awesome. Thanks man!
 
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Yeah maybe. But I don't think the AS will be linked to the iPhone chip. I just said "every year" because it's more predictable and Apple can "set" predictive events for their computers as well. 24 months release are too spaced. If Apple can't make significant leaps every year, it's very likely to get a 18 months release cycle.

I hope it is every year. :)

I remember when Macs did get updated every year...

Azrael.
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Awesome. Thanks man!

Np. Every time I look on eBay, the 2019 seems to be going for nearly new or 'new' prices.

I gave up trying to buy a 5k retina iMac 2nd hand. Too pricey.

Azrael.
 
Could I be an Apple leaker with this prediction ? LOL


Do it! 😄


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Looks like the base configuration iMac is back in stock, delivery in two weeks
That has always been the case, only the two other models jumped to 8-9 weeks.

Apple still has to launch Back to School in Europe, usually they do that in the beginning of July. Last year it was 9 July, and they also updated the MacBooks back then. Interestingly, the rumour above points to tomorrow, 9 July, for “something”. Perhaps Back to School + new iMacs?

If we don't see new iMacs when Back to School is launched, I honestly don't expect any new products until September.

On the other hand, by that time ARM Macs will be around the corner, so why still bother with launching new Intel Macs?
 
That has always been the case, only the two other models jumped to 8-9 weeks.

Apple still has to launch Back to School in Europe, usually they do that in the beginning of July. Last year it was 9 July, and they also updated the MacBooks back then. Interestingly, the rumour above points to tomorrow, 9 July, for “something”. Perhaps Back to School + new iMacs?

If we don't see new iMacs when Back to School is launched, I honestly don't expect any new products until September.

On the other hand, by that time ARM Macs will be around the corner, so why still bother with launching new Intel Macs?

It would make sense to leverage the Back to School momentum. If they're serious about shifting legacy Intel iMacs.

...and the 'collision' course with ARM Macs...

Yes. Quandry.

Azrael.
 
That has always been the case, only the two other models jumped to 8-9 weeks.

Apple still has to launch Back to School in Europe, usually they do that in the beginning of July. Last year it was 9 July, and they also updated the MacBooks back then. Interestingly, the rumour above points to tomorrow, 9 July, for “something”. Perhaps Back to School + new iMacs?

If we don't see new iMacs when Back to School is launched, I honestly don't expect any new products until September.

On the other hand, by that time ARM Macs will be around the corner, so why still bother with launching new Intel Macs?

i can only speak for Germany, but COVID Offset school Starting. University started a month late here I think, even with online..
 
If we don't see new iMacs when Back to School is launched, I honestly don't expect any new products until September.

On the other hand, by that time ARM Macs will be around the corner, so why still bother with launching new Intel Macs?

In such a scenario, my prediction is Apple Silicon in the ~24 inch and Intel in the 27 inch. No more 21.5 inch.
 
Oh dear, another 3 mins of nonsense. I'm definitely not the target audience. Although I did laugh about the 40 degree joke and US being much worse. That was actually very funny and also very insulting to Americans :D :D :D

But yeah, I wouldn't watch this guy or his alike. Not my kinda thing :)
Sorry :p


;)

It's no fun unless it bends...

Azrael.
 
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Let's be crazy ...

iPad events are usually in March.

WWDC is in June. It's a software event. Will never present new hardware in WWDC.

iPhone events are in September.

With Apple controlling its chip development, we could see an updated AS Mac line up every year. This could take place in October of November, before Christmas time. And it fits the late-September/October Apple macOS release cycle. The .1 version can be installed on anything sold after October 20th-something.

So firsts AS Mac in October/November. MacBook Pro 13 + iMac 24 (with "basic" Silicon).

Second batch in March 2021. MacBook Air + iMac 30/32 (with "X" or "Z" Silicon).

Third batch in October/November 2021. MacBook Pro 16 + Mac mini. MacBook Pro 16 gets Intel Tiger Lake + RDNA2 upgrade meanwhile because it's Pro model and Apple makes freaking good margin on this one and 2 years is too long for a MacBook Pro).

Final batch in March 2022. Mac Pro. Next iteration in October/November 2023 (18 months cycle for the Mac Pro since chip requirements are really high).

This fits the 2-year migration process.

With redesign of everything every 4-5 years. Because Apple now controls everything.

Could I be an Apple leaker with this prediction ? LOL
No iMac Pro?
Do you think that it will be a part of the intel past?
 
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