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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
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I always thought 32in was too big (from seeing them around the office before I started using one, or seeing them in shops). It was only when I had the chance to get one as a free 'upgrade' from a 27in monitor, did I realise how amazing the larger screen is. Especially for 4k monitors, as it makes 1440p scaling much more user friendly.

I'm using a 40" Vizio TV as a monitor for my work laptop (Windows via VPN - yuck!) while working from home (thank you COVID-19). It was WAY cheaper than a buying a large hi-res monitor, and will fit nicely in a spare bedroom after I go back to work... if they drag me kicking and screaming back there.

Anyway, it sits next to my 27" mid-2011 iMac, and makes my Mac look very small. Oh, and shall we talk about bezel size? (OK, I won't start that discussion again.)

So YES to 32". Heck, I'll take your 32" and raise you a couple of inches!
 
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You know, you'd think if we were getting an Intel redesign, and not just a spec bump, it would also be the same size of the rumored eventual 32" ARM iMac. Other wise they'd have to make a 3rd size set of parts, for seemingly only one iteration of a 27" redesign.
 
ARM Mac processor touted as 100-200 cheaper to manufacture v i3.

"...Although Apple still needs TSMC to manufacture its self-designed processors, the production cost of a Mac processor made with TSMC’s 5nm node is currently estimated under US$100, which is considerably more cost-effective compared to the 10nm Intel Core i3 processors, priced around US$200 to US$300 on the market...".

Also 12.9 iPad is said to be first mini-led in Q1 2021 so that suggests iMac pro won't be this year, assuming it's mini-led. Conflicts with Kuo saying ARM only devices from next year.

 
Thanks, Azrael. I am all aboard the AS hype train now. I've gone from a real sceptic to 'COUNT ME IN'.

Thankfully, for mere mortals like myself who are fine with mid-level Intel CPUs, the transition isn't far off at all it seems.
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I always thought 32in was too big (from seeing them around the office before I started using one, or seeing them in shops). It was only when I had the chance to get one as a free 'upgrade' from a 27in monitor, did I realise how amazing the larger screen is. Especially for 4k monitors, as it makes 1440p scaling much more user friendly.

Hello Gusping :)

Hope you are keeping well, besides the Catalina problems.

By the sounds of it, a few Catalina users have taken quite a 'beating' in terms of its reliability and Mac users have been qujite vocal about it, too. That doesn't sound like 'Snow Leopard' class of stability. Seems like Big Sur will do well to be 'as bad.' And I think the AS will convert people at a fair clip...especially on the consumer Macs where I expect it to comfortably out perform the Intel cpu and iGPU...with some alarmingly good work flow accelerations eg. 4k streams. What I saw demo'd at WWDC2020 was compelling enough to make me a believer. Plenty of quick examples of different work load examples. It seems far more significant than the last transition. All we had was a 'slow' Photoshop demo by Steve. The WWDC2020 seemed like a company which had begun the AS transition years ago. And ofc, they have.

The good news, with mid-level Intel cpu users who have a working Mac...the transition will begin 'soon enough' and the Mini will be transformed.

I find with monitor size. It seems to be? 'We adapt' to the size we have. My 1st Power Mac had a D2 21 inch CRT. I remember thinking that was massive. (It cost around £1200 or something. It wasn't cheap back in '97.) Ten years after that? I had the 24 inch iMac. It seemed 'comfortably' bigger. And I did enjoy the bigger size which fit comfortably in the field of view and you could open two documents side by side quit easily. Then? Prematurely upgrading to the late 2012 27 incher. I enjoyed the increased size of monitor (but not the 'fuzzy' and small resolution) again with being able to easily have 3 documents open on screen... (3 sheets of A4 as an example...) ...but compared to the crisp ocean of the 5k display? Retro. Erm. At the moment, 27 inch feels constrained. I think 32 inch of screen with 6k would allow me to fit more on screen...in terms of creative reference, multi-tasking. It's surprising how it feels that way at 27 inches. But 32 inches at 6k would be a massive step up. It's been many years since we got the 5k retina now. Be nice to have the flagship iMac bush to the next immediate step of 6k and push the size again.

Short answer. You get used to what you've got and 'absorb' it. ie. Fill the screen space you have.

6k 32 inch would also give the 27 inch users of Intel 5k iMacs a compelling reason to upgrade. As the XDR looks stunning on every level. A consumer iMac derivative of that would be a 'here's my wallet' buy.

Yes. For 4k monitors, 32 inches seems to be the sweet spot. Seems very comfortable on the eyes. And it would be well ahead of what I've been using on my late 2012 iMac. I'd rather have that. I will be getting an external monitor (4k 32 inches...) regardless.

Azrael.
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As someone who spends all day in IDEs, I would welcome something larger, but only if it doesn't come at a DPI loss. So for example, 30"+ 4k is no good because it's not capable of that crispy sharp 2x scaling. 2560x1440 at anything above 27" is out of the question. Blurry or blocky text is no bueno.

Blurry and blocky is 'urgh' for me. No 'beano' for me either.

That balance of size and dpi is something that is factored in. Scaling etc.

2560x1440. I was never impressed with it on my 2012 iMac. It gave me headaches to begin with.

4k or 5k is going to be a significant step up for me.

I've seen 8k on the TVs in PC World and the detail is a joy to behold.

I'd settle for a 6k iMac at 32 inches.

Azrael.
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ARM Mac processor touted as 100-200 cheaper to manufacture v i3.

"...Although Apple still needs TSMC to manufacture its self-designed processors, the production cost of a Mac processor made with TSMC’s 5nm node is currently estimated under US$100, which is considerably more cost-effective compared to the 10nm Intel Core i3 processors, priced around US$200 to US$300 on the market...".

Also 12.9 iPad is said to be first mini-led in Q1 2021 so that suggests iMac pro won't be this year, assuming it's mini-led. Conflicts with Kuo saying ARM only devices from next year.


I hope they trim prices to bring the entry 24 inch iMac to £999 inc VAT here in the UK.

If they're not paying Intel, they could make the Mac ARM transition more compelling £££ wise to aid adoption. (Try to stifle laughs re: Apple cutting prices... :p )

£100-200 would bring the entry price of the 4k entry iMac from £1250 to £1050 replacing that duo hard drive heap of junk they currently (embarrassingly...) offer. And with 8-12 cores, bury its replacement in doing so. An entry Mac that can do workstation work loads and do gaming?

Hellllll yes. Sign me up.

Azrael.
 
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You know, you'd think if we were getting an Intel redesign, and not just a spec bump, it would also be the same size of the rumored eventual 32" ARM iMac. Other wise they'd have to make a 3rd size set of parts, for seemingly only one iteration of a 27" redesign.

Interesting point.

The 21 inch seems like it's facing the axe. Selling it until fall this year with no bump?

We've heard little re: the 27 inch getting a bump in size for Intel iMac to 30-32. If it was? The same panel would be used for the later iMac ARM.

I'd like the 32 inch iMac. But the vibe I feel is that the Intel iMac will be 27 inches. For now.

Maybe they'll save the 32 inches for a more compelling iMac ARM upgrade later.

Azrael.
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I'm using a 40" Vizio TV as a monitor for my work laptop (Windows via VPN - yuck!) while working from home (thank you COVID-19). It was WAY cheaper than a buying a large hi-res monitor, and will fit nicely in a spare bedroom after I go back to work... if they drag me kicking and screaming back there.

Anyway, it sits next to my 27" mid-2011 iMac, and makes my Mac look very small. Oh, and shall we talk about bezel size? (OK, I won't start that discussion again.)

So YES to 32". Heck, I'll take your 32" and raise you a couple of inches!

That's intriguing. How do you find using a 'tv' as a monitor? Do you get image retention on interface elements?

There you go. Relative to the sun. You get used to working larger and even 27 inches can seem 'small.'

YES! 32 inches!!!! Go iMac GO!!!!

Azrael.
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My guess is that the new iMac was ready to ship around WWDC, but just not in enough numbers. Tim Cook is a big one for making sure that product is well-stocked from launch, so Apple is probably holding back due ramp up production when supply allows.

Good point.

You could be on the nose with that.

It would explain the elasticity of the rumours.

Azrael.
 
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That's intriguing. How do you find using a 'tv' as a monitor? Do you get image retention on interface elements?

There you go. Relative to the sun. You get used to working larger and even 27 inches can seem 'small.'

YES! 32 inches!!!! Go iMac GO!!!!

Azrael.
The TV is pretty darn amazing, and was CHEAP. I only paid US$235 new. TV's here in Florida were selling fast at the time, since people were beginning to stay home due to the virus. So I had to shop around to find a store that had the 40-incher in stock.

My wife (who is TOTALLY techno-ignorant) asked if I could just buy a cheap TV instead of the 32" wide-screen that I was considering. Man, do I love that girl!

I do mostly text and basic text/photos/maps, although I occasionally look at global imagery for my job. But I can have SEVERAL tiled-windows open concurrently. I have the laptop video maxed out at 3840x2160, but scaled up the text and icons (old man eyes). I just use HDMI. It's better than ANY other monitor that I've ever used (not including wall-mounted/wall-covering mammoths that the US government pays big $ for to use in 'special' settings.

HIGHLY recommended!!!!!

- Kevin
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There you go. Relative to the sun. You get used to working larger and even 27 inches can seem 'small.'

Azrael.
Exactly!
 
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I got tired of waiting and went with a refurbed i9/8gb/512gb/580x config for $2300 and it arrives on Friday. Will update the RAM to 32 gb once it arrives. If any of the new iMacs are announced within the next 14 days I will return it to the Apple Store nearby and if they aren't announced then I guess i'll just be glad to have such a powerful machine without the wait :p Win win for my needs.
 
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Surely 'pros' want a screen bigger than 27 inches to do their work?

I'm not a pro, but I am interested in the new iMac Pro, and no I do not want a screen bigger than 27 inches because I arguably sit too close to my 5K display now and anything larger and higher-resolution (6K) will just be more expensive and not easily integrate with my existing second display (an ASUS gaming UHD 27" display).

The one exception is if they did a 32" 8K display because then I could buy a 32" ASUS 4K gaming display.
 
As someone who spends all day in IDEs, I would welcome something larger, but only if it doesn't come at a DPI loss. So for example, 30"+ 4k is no good because it's not capable of that crispy sharp 2x scaling. 2560x1440 at anything above 27" is out of the question. Blurry or blocky text is no bueno.

Reverting back to 16:10 aspect ratio (as used in the old aluminum Cinema Display line) would be nice too. The argument for using 16:9 was always cheaper panels, but that doesn't really apply in the case of the panels Apple is using in the 27" iMac or 32" XDR — the first is only used outside of Apple in 27" Ultrafine 5K's and the XDR's panel isn't used anywhere else at all.
Definitively agree.

But I’m a poor Dev and I’m still on 1080P 24’’ 😂
 
I got tired of waiting and went with a refurbed i9/8gb/512gb/580x config for $2300 and it arrives on Friday. Will update the RAM to 32 gb once it arrives. If any of the new iMacs are announced within the next 14 days I will return it to the Apple Store nearby and if they aren't announced then I guess i'll just be glad to have such a powerful machine without the wait :p Win win for my needs.
Keep the 8 GB, simply add 2x16GB. I think there are 4 slots.
 
30 inches at 5K would be 196ppi which is similar to the Surface Studio (the 27" is 218ppi). It would not be "textbook" Retina, but pixel blurriness should be minimal.

32" at 5K would be 184 dpi which is similar to the 23.7" LG UltraFine and is arguably in the "bad zone" where blurry pixels - especially when scrolling - are a concern. However, for most people this might not be noticeable - 9to5 Mac didn't really notice any display degradation in their review of the 23.7" model at native 4K, however The Verge felt using the display scaled (so not in native 4K or at pixel-doubled 2K) impacted the image quality.
 
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According to this tweet...

1. Intel iMac. September.
2. New design. Yes.
3. iMac 24 ARM. Next year.

Problem for Intel iMac?

Supply chain.


That makes sense to me. It just 'feels' like the lack of real iMac rumours for July sees this shape up...for...?

Another 7 week wait until September.

One can only hope the delay brings RDNA2 BTO options to compensate for the delay.


Azrael.
 
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If we do see an Intel iMac announced at the iPhone event, it's going to be a really quick presentation to list the new CPU/GPU inside, which means they won't be doing a re-design. I expect they will announce the iMac Pro refresh then, as well, if the MiniLED display is ready.
 
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30 inches at 5K would be 196ppi which is similar to the Surface Studio (the 27" is 218ppi). It would not be "textbook" Retina, but pixel blurriness should be minimal.

32" at 5K would be 184 dpi which is similar to the 23.7" LG UltraFine and is arguably in the "bad zone" with blurry pixels - especially when scrolling.

The one thing I do like about the 5k retina is that it seems razor sharp. (Compared to my Late 2012 iMac...it's like a soothing eye balm.) Inexplicably, I'm not an owner of a 5k iMac. (The display is def' the jewel in the iMac crown.) I'd put that down to bad timing on my part and a half hearted treatment of the iMac by Apple themselves.

Pixel blurry. There's the rub. I don't see Apple stepping backwards on display tech'.

They're quite fastidious about it. It's the one thing I can credit them with over the last ten years or so in their Macs.

They even fuss about the 'shape' of the pixel so it is 'easier' to read for the computer user.

And these things, the user can discern. It makes a difference to quality of life in terms of using computers.

September can't come soon enough.

They'd get away with 30 inches (I'd like that, make things a bit bigger and more comfy for my eyes.) But I get the 'feeling' they'll stick at 27 inches but incorporate a new design with a substantial overall spec boost. And lord knows the current iMac needs a 'good shake of the bag.'

Azrael.
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If we do see an Intel iMac announced at the iPhone event, it's going to be a really quick presentation to list the new CPU/GPU inside, which means they won't be doing a re-design. I expect they will announce the iMac Pro refresh then, as well, if the MiniLED display is ready.

CWallace,

I can't fathom..(for the life of me) and have often wondered...WHY(?) they didn't tie the Mac eg. the flagship consumer iMac in with the iPhone event to give the Mac and the iMac a greater push, marketshare wise. To push the mindshare more as a killer combo' as the two computers you need in your life. Your iPhone. And? Your Mac.

It's an insane amount of PR for the iPhone event and it seems odd not to tie the Mac in with that and push it harder...instead it seems to have got the ginger haired step child treatment.

Opportunities lost in my view to really take those Mac sales to 6 million per quarter and beyond.

Mind you. With the change to the AS Mac platform...and rumours of a 'full fat' Mac OS running on iPhone/iPad...perhaps broadening the iPhone event...as a co-Mac event with the 'Mac' in your pocket that you can dock at your desktop monitor...

...may one day come true.

Azrael.
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If we do see an Intel iMac announced at the iPhone event, it's going to be a really quick presentation to list the new CPU/GPU inside, which means they won't be doing a re-design. I expect they will announce the iMac Pro refresh then, as well, if the MiniLED display is ready.

As for the iMac Pro. We'll see if Ming is on the money with it.

RDNA2 will be available. There are Xeon options. As the 'new' iMac goes ten core...the iMac Pro may start at 10 core.

My feeling is Apple will drop the iMac Pro. I hope not. Less desktop options is not what the Mac needs.

There are three iMac options currently.

I wish there were 3 headless Mac options. With something inbetween the Mini and the *stifles a giggle, Mac 'Pro.'

Azrael.
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I predict the first quarter of 2021.

I get the feeling the iMac ARM 24 will drop then.

Even that is early. I only expected Apple to go Mac ARM next year, Summer of 2021.

It's far earlier than scheduled. Cat is out the bag.

I do expect a Mac ARM laptop will drop by the fall though.

That's where teh £££ is.

Azrael.
 
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If we do see an Intel iMac announced at the iPhone event, it's going to be a really quick presentation to list the new CPU/GPU inside, which means they won't be doing a re-design. I expect they will announce the iMac Pro refresh then, as well, if the MiniLED display is ready.

It's getting the new design. :p

Which will synergize with the iPhone 12 which (the design of the new iMac...) is based on. 'Straight' edges and the like ala iPad-esque.

As for the iMac Pro. I don't see it. Not September. More like next year. Apple really seem to be struggling to get stuff out this year.

If they're going mini LED in the iMac Pro. Why not just go full 32 inch XDR style. Keep the 6k res' and strip out the exotic bits. That would make a terrific iMac 'Pro' and more worth the asking price £5k.

Azrael.
 
Lets see who has the better intuition, Azrael or me. But in general the woman intuition is stronger and more accurate
Hope im wrong this time and we see the new design lang for intel imacs as well
 
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It’s Tim’s Apple guys. There won’t be a redesign for Intel iMac and there won’t be an iMac that fully satisfies the customers for a while. I have never seen Apple releases so many hardware in a short period of time. (Except those silly spec bumps like 3 of them within a week) So, don’t expect a redesign iMac alongside iPhone event.
 
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But it's been ages since we've seen new hardware! Last time was the Mac Pro 2019, right? Mac Mini was only storage bump, Macbooks got new keyboards alright. I really do remember more exciting times.
 
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