Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[iPadified]

Since WWDC and the aggressive shift to AS, I am very pessimistic about the likelihood of a redesign for Intel/AMD iMacs. What is the point of a redesigned Intel iMac today? The life expectance will be 1-2 years of sales. It is also very unclear why a new case and thermal solution should be the same for AS iMac and Intel/AMD as they are two completely different animals regarding power usage. The former uses perhaps 50-100W and the latter 200-300W. A new design would strongly signal the shift to AS chip. Why confound that message with a new design for Intel/AMD iMac?

In my view, it will be lots of hardware releases the next years around AS Macs but likely none about intel based macs.

 

[Azrael9]

But in general the woman intuition is stronger and more accurate
Hope im wrong this time and we see the new design lang for intel imacs as well

At what? Fortune telling?

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Since WWDC and the aggressive shift to AS, I am very pessimistic about the likelihood of a redesign for Intel/AMD iMacs. What is the point of a redesigned Intel iMac today? The life expectance will be 1-2 years of sales. It is also very unclear why a new case and thermal solution should be the same for AS iMac and Intel/AMD as they are two completely different animals regarding power usage. The former uses perhaps 50-100W and the latter 200-300W. A new design would strongly signal the shift to AS chip. Why confound that message with a new design for Intel/AMD iMac?

In my view, it will be lots of hardware releases the next years around AS Macs but likely none about intel based macs.

Rumours suggest 95W Intel cpus...slight customised variants. So the heat issue is being managed from that angle. Most of Apple's key products have (or will in the pending iPhone 12...) the iPad design language. The iMac is the only product that looks really dated in that regard.

That doesn't guarantee a new design...(after all, why not have another year and make it 11 years with the same design...) ...but if this Intel iMac is going to be around for another 1 year until the AS high end iMac hits then a new design will £££ push sales.

There's no reason why AS and Intel can't share the same chassis. It gives both head room. If Apple includes actual cooling in the iMac...I don't see the impeding of a new design. It's space grey paint, straight edges (they had that with the 24 inch iMac...) and slimming the bezels. Stuff they've already done to other models. As for the chin? It looks antiquated now. It's about where they're going next. And that doesn't have to wait for AS cpu/gpus.

Otherwise one is going to look ancient and the other sexy and new. A new design sweetens the pill of legacy hardware.

The point of an Intel iMac getting a 'new' design is the same point as the Intel designed Mac Pro being redesigned. Or a 16 inch Macbook with slimmer bezels...or the Mac Mini getting a coat of paint or the iPad getting flat edges...or the iPhone going back to flat edges...or Mac Sur getting a 'Big Sir' design update.

Apple will move quickly to its new AS hardware and fuss mightily over it. But they'll happily sell us legacy Intel iMacs in the meantime. (I expect the iMac to be the last of the Intel Macs. With Apple's usual update schedule the transition will be over by then! )

But that window won't last long. I'd expect the transition to take a year from when the 1st AS hardware ships...with the Mac Pro on board by the end of 2021. Depends on the AS15 (maybe) for the high end but next year's iPhone will have an A15 chip. I'd expect the AS 15 variants to be on an accelerated schedule.

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It’s Tim’s Apple guys.

I can't argue with that one.

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Where in that tweet does says new design for intel imac?

Well, you'd have to use your intuition to read his tweet replies...and find out.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

You could argue Back to School is a "news" event and now everything for the next news Story would be in two weeks/30 days from WWDC.
I think that was the 22ed of July i had in my made up roadmap.

 

[askunk]

We will get TB4 and USB4 on AS macs, apparently.

 

[DrRadon]

Is bootcamp still a part of MacOS 11 for intel or is it already gone for everyone?

 

[askunk]

That's an interesting question, though I would find idiotic to take it away from intel users. They have the code, they have the CPUs... what the hell

 

[filmak]

Is bootcamp still a part of MacOS 11 for intel or is it already gone for everyone?

It's still there.
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MacOS 11 at right, new icon for bootcamp...

 

[pldelisle]

So ... just read it ... September for a spec bump iMac ... wow. The rest of the summer is going to be long.

Wake me up when September ends ....

 

[Kjs100]

But in general the woman intuition is stronger and more accurate

 

[Rbfinch570]

So ... just read it ... September for a spec bump iMac ... wow. The rest of the summer is going to be long.

Wake me up when September ends ....

Where did you exactly read this claim? Just wondering.

 

[DrRadon]

Where did you exactly read this claim? Just wondering.

I think he is referring to the week old tweet az just reposted. It's litteraly that one twitter guy as a source who is only banking on "talking to people in the supply chain" while everyone else reported its ready for WWDC.We are all pessimistic but take that tweet with a grain of salt for now.

 

[xgman]

The more we hear, the less we know it seems.

 

[nick9191]

2021 seems likely to me. Why release an Intel iMac with a new design when the product will be discontinued within a year? It’s not like the current design is remotely ugly.

I guess the only reason would be to stress test the design in the real world so at least when ARM ships not EVERYTHING is brand new, but then the entire innards will be completely different anyway. Everything from cooling to power consumption to component location will have completely changed.

Much better to ship with ARM and get the wow factor. Then again all designs were identical after the PPC - Intel transition. 2022 redesign anyone!!

 

[satchmo]

On the MBW podcast, one of guests (Rene Richie) suggested this iMac lineup.

27” Intel (July) followed by a 24” and 30” AS iMacs in early 2021
This way, there would be no overlap and a clear distinction between Intel and AS models.
He was leaning towards no redesign for the last Intel model.

 

[The_Lord_of_Apple]

Lets see who has the better intuition, Azrael or me. But in general the woman intuition is stronger and more accurate
Hope im wrong this time and we see the new design lang for intel imacs as well

woman??? where?

I'd say Azrael is right but I hope he doesn't give a War & Peace reply How he has the time to write so much, only god knows

 

[pldelisle]

I think he is referring to the week old tweet az just reposted. It's litteraly that one twitter guy as a source who is only banking on "talking to people in the supply chain" while everyone else reported its ready for WWDC.We are all pessimistic but take that tweet with a grain of salt for now.

Yeah sorry. I didn't see the date at first. I thought it was brand new from today.

 

[jetjaguar]

Ugh

 

[Rbfinch570]

Eh, pretty soon it's going to be PC land for me. I can build a nice AMD Ryzen machine for under $1,200.

 

[pldelisle]

Eh, pretty soon it's going to be PC land for me. I can build a nice AMD Ryzen machine for under $1,200.

I have a workstation. Pretty old thought, but still nice. Sandy Bridge 2700K, P8P67 WS, 32 GB RAM, RAID 0 SSD SATA, dual RTX 2080, running Linux Ubuntu 18.04. But installing a GUI on it is not something I want.

I want macOS.

 

[Mr. Warbles]

2021 seems likely to me. Why release an Intel iMac with a new design when the product will be discontinued within a year? It’s not like the current design is remotely ugly.

I would not be surprised one bit if the last Intel iMacs look exactly the same with a spec bump, in fact it seems to be the sad pattern for the iMac, however for all those asking “Why would they update the new look of the last intel machines” I can think of a few reasons:


1. To sell more of the intel versions since people know AS versions are coming. A redesign would move way more units especially for people who need to upgrade soon.

2. New supply chain, phasing out old parts.

3. Maybe Apple knows the new AS 27”/30” iMac is a year or two off but the AS 24” will be ready early 2021. Keep an old design around another 1-2 years while other new designs are coming soon? Not a good way to unify the lineup, plus Old design intel sales would really be Impacted by this.

4.But AS & Intel can’t fit in the same design you say? Why? It’s not that hard to create 1 New design with the intel version having a slightly thicker back panel.

fully expecting spec bump with old design because...that’s been Apples pattern lately but there are good reasons to update the look immediately.

I happen to think iMac Pro, Mac Pro & big screen iMacs will be the last to get the AS treatment, late 2021 but probably 2022. If that’s true then I think the next iMac design needs to be refreshed.

 

[jetjaguar]

I just need a computer

 

[DrRadon]

I just need a computer

This.

 

[MacFather]

A press release we were not hoping for...

Apple today announced a new set of tools to help educators teach coding to students from grade school to college. In addition to significant enhancements to the Develop in Swift and Everyone Can Code curricula, Apple is also starting a new professional learning course for Develop in Swift, available to educators at no cost. The course is designed to supplement the need for computer science educators in the US, and helps instructors of all skill levels build foundational knowledge to teach app development with Swift. In addition, with many institutions operating remotely, Apple is adding resources for educators and parents to help ensure they have the tools they need to help students learn and grow from anywhere.

Apple updates coding programs and resources for educators and students

Apple today announced significant enhancements to the Develop in Swift and Everyone Can Code curricula, and a new professional learning course.

www.apple.com

 

[MrH42]

I've been lurking in this thread for a long time. Following all the rumors, reading Azrael's daily thoughts on the iMac... 😂 I'm still running a 2012 iMac, but been getting some crashes recently. Still on the original fusion drive, miraculously, but I think it's finally wearing out. I've been holding out for a new intel iMac redesign for 2 years now.

After WWDC, the ARM switch over is going to be much more aggressive than I thought. in 2 years, everything will be switched over. Knowing this, I have a hard time investing into another intel Mac. Instead, I'll probably get one of the first ARM macs. But here's my thinking: why bother with the iMac anymore? We now know they're doing their own integrated graphics card. If you don't have discrete graphics on the iMac, all you're really getting is a screen attached to a Mac Mini? I'm guessing the Mac Mini will be the same computer otherwise.

Knowing this, I'd rather disconnect the two, and be given the freedom to pick my own monitor.

Long story short: Probably going to buy a 49" super ultrawide monitor, pray my iMac holds out, and eventually buy a relatively cheap Mac Mini. With the switch to ARM, I can't run bootcamp into windows for the occasional gaming, so I might build a windows PC to go with it. Surprisingly, all of this will probably only be slightly more expensive than what the new iMac was going to cost anyways.

I just think the argument for the iMac (unless you reallllly value one plug) is kind of dead if the Mac Mini ends up being so similar.

 

[Freida]

This is super exciting. 30-32 'prediction' from Sonny gives me hope. He is not always right but he is probably more reliable than others and seeing that we are still waiting and the other rumours point to september than I think this would be awesome. RDNA2, 30-32" screen in the same package, slimmer bezels = win win win win.
Where do I sign?
Taking the display from XDR and put it in iMac does make sense and we kinda hoped that that would happen.
We won't get all the features but frankly most of us don't care about that. We just want bigger screen that gives us more screen estate. And Apple taking the panel from XDR would do just that. It also makes sense for Apple as it would reduce the cost for them etc.

So this is the leak that I really really hope will be true. Same footprint but bigger screen will just look beautiful. I'm getting a bit more excited now
Also, Kuo did say ages ago that Q3 or Q4 will be 30-32 iMac so it aligns with him also.

In fact, I feel that I was probably correct in sense that march was a simple spec bump that didn't happen because of all the things (early 2020 model) and this september/october is the major refresh which is late 2020 model.
Its all making sense.

And they also demoed the AS chip on the XDR. Was that a little hint? Wouldn't that be awesome?

Ohhhhhhhhhh............hmmmmmmmmmmmmm............yeaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

(sorry, I just got excited)

Redesigned iMac may feature larger 30-32″ display, slimmer bezels

The rumor: Apple's next iMacs will boast larger displays of more than 23 and 30 inches respectively, according to Sonny Dickson (73.3% accurate). The new iMa

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