Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[DrRadon]

A press release we were not hoping for...

Apple updates coding programs and resources for educators and students

Apple today announced significant enhancements to the Develop in Swift and Everyone Can Code curricula, and a new professional learning course.

www.apple.com

Yeah, it's the two week rhythm, like i said. This week is all about education with the free back to school AirPods and now this.

iMac, or something else, on or around the 22ed of july. 30 days, some more room after a bigger announcement.


Also, The Boys Season 2 starts early September, so i got something to look forward to in September now. No need to delay the iMac for me Tim!

 

[TimJohn]

I like my 2017 iMac...its the screen that makes the experience and not the flowing lines or colour or mat finish on the aluminum case. All that disappears after the first 10 minutes. I just need a computer.

 

[8ght]

I ordered a BTO iMac 27" 3.7GHz with SSD from Apple online in Sweden on June 29th because I need one soon and I do not want to play the waiting game. But I bought it from Apple online rather than looking for a refurbished version with the small hope of receiving a refreshed version.

This order shipped today from Shanghai China and the estimated delivery is on Monday. So I guess that also shoots down the slow shipping by boat theory.

Edit: 2019 iMac received on Friday July 17th.

 

[xgman]

The imac will probably drop on the day that this thread drops down to the 2nd page of imac threads. Just as everyone has given up hope.

 

[Azrael9]

We will get TB4 and USB4 on AS macs, apparently.

The latest ports? On a 'new' iMac?

Azrael.
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Eh, pretty soon it's going to be PC land for me. I can build a nice AMD Ryzen machine for under $1,200.

And Hack'tosh it.

Azrael.
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This order shipped today from Shanghai China and the estimated delivery is on Monday. So I guess that also shoots down the slow shipping by boat theory.

But not the slow boat from Apple.

Azrael.
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Also, The Boys Season 2 starts early September,

Bad az' heroes? Seen trailers for it.

Azrael.

 

[Mr. Warbles]

Tempted by the iMac Pro sale today. $3,600 for the base model...🧐

should I do it? I love everything about it except that it’s from 2017.

 

[Azrael9]

Tempted by the iMac Pro sale today. $3,600 for the base model...🧐

That's not bad. Have you got a Mac you can trade in to bring it down closer to $3k?

With Apple's 0% two year deal. Very doable.

Azrael.

 

[Mr. Warbles]

That's not bad. Have you got a Mac you can trade in to bring it down closer to $3k?

With Apple's 0% two year deal. Very doable.

Azrael.

it’s not through Apple but I do have the Apple Card. It’s Woot’s deal but they are Apple refurbished iMac Pro’s.

I doubt my 2010 27” will bring the price down. 😆

 

[Azrael9]

it’s not through Apple but I do have the Apple Card. It’s Woot’s deal but they are Apple refurbished iMac Pro’s.

I doubt my 2010 27” will bring the price down. 😆

It looks like the new Intel iMac is ki-boshed until September.

£3600 for the iMac Pro. It's decent, that is. Decisions...decisions...

Keep your 2010 for back up purposes.

Azrael.

 

[jetjaguar]

Tempted by the iMac Pro sale today. $3,600 for the base model...🧐

should I do it? I love everything about it except that it’s from 2017.

Not bad. At least you get the better cooling etc. Should last a few years with no issues. How is the warranty though ?

 

[Azrael9]

Tempted by the iMac Pro sale today. $3,600 for the base model...🧐

should I do it? I love everything about it except that it’s from 2017.

ERm. Should you do it? Do you 'need' it right now? Can you haggle them cheaper with hard cash offer?

That's your decision to make. If it was closer to £3k? I'd be very tempted. The September iMac, we don't know how it compares...but it will put pressure on iMac and iMac Pro discounts.

The iMac Pro has definite refinements that the current iMac doesn't have. Cooling. Sound. And 'decent' overall specs. It's a more balanced and refined system.

But it is 2017. And that's why it's getting deep discounts.

Azrael.
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Tempted by the iMac Pro sale today. $3,600 for the base model...🧐

should I do it? I love everything about it except that it’s from 2017.

If the new Intel iMac gets 'teH sXy...' design...are you going to suffer buyer's remorse?

Azrael.
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Not bad. At least you get the better cooling etc. Should last a few years with no issues. How is the warranty though ?

Warranty. Good point.

Azrael.
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So ... just read it ... September for a spec bump iMac ... wow. The rest of the summer is going to be long.

Wake me up when September ends ....

It's September...right? *twitch. Can...wait...heh....*twitch...*Rocks...back and forth...*I eats you...man....*Stare eyes...

Azrael.

 

[jetjaguar]

If they wait until Sept to release it .. I dunno what I am going to do

 

[Azrael9]

ARM Mac graphics performance could beat discrete GPUs - 9to5Mac

Apple gave an impressive demo of ARM Mac graphics performance when it showed a Shadow of the Tomb Raider demo during its WWDC keynote ...

9to5mac.com

Boring stuff. Like. How Apple's approach to AS GPU is going to put Intel/AMD's approach to the sword?

For anyone interested in reading teh tea leaves of future AS GPU performance...

Azrael.

 

[Mr. Warbles]

It has a 1 year warranty.

do I need a new computer now? Yes. I’m a music producer.

can I wait for September? Sure, unless my 2010 iMac dies, but it’s slow and 1/2 of the screen is dark due to a backlight dying. Not good for workflow.

the question is will the wait be worth it for the spec bump or will the 2017 iMac be close enough? Will the sept release have heating issues or run loud? If so that wait will be real disappointing.

my other thought...how long will Apple allow OS upgrades ona 2017 iMac Pro?

decisions suck.

 

[CWallace]

I can't fathom..(for the life of me) and have often wondered...WHY(?) they didn't tie the Mac eg. the flagship consumer iMac in with the iPhone event to give the Mac and the iMac a greater push, marketshare wise. To push the mindshare more as a killer combo' as the two computers you need in your life. Your iPhone. And? Your Mac.

It's an insane amount of PR for the iPhone event and it seems odd not to tie the Mac in with that and push it harder...instead it seems to have got the ginger haired step child treatment.

I honestly think it is because everyone attending that event only cares about the iPhone so that is what Apple focuses on. Since the Apple Watch and headphones need the iPhone, it makes sense to include them, as well. AppleTV and Home Pod, not so much, but Apple needs to talk about them somewhere so spending a few minutes on each is fine.

If they add the Mac, especially a major focus on the Mac where they need to spend 30+ minutes, then the presentation becomes a WWDC keynote and runs hours. And even then, how much would the media in attendance (who do not focus on Apple) would really say anything about the Mac? Heck, they probably don't mention the Apple TV or Home Pod.

My feeling is Apple will drop the iMac Pro. I hope not. Less desktop options is not what the Mac needs.

I hope they do not, either, as I am interested in it. Though with my macOS use cases, I am probably better off with the Apple Silicon iMac if the display is 27" (or more).

It's getting the new design.

Which will synergize with the iPhone 12 which (the design of the new iMac...) is based on. 'Straight' edges and the like ala iPad-esque.

My worry (not so much for me, but for everyone who is depending on a new Intel large-display iMac) is that if they do launch a new design intended to use Apple Silicon, but starting with Intel/AMD, is the thermal limits. Will a high-end Apple Silicon SoC pull upwards of 250-300 watts like an Intel/AMD pairing? And if it does not, then does Apple either just throttle the hell out of it or do they go with lower-TDP parts? The Intel i9-10910 and AMD 5300 implies the latter and if a 2020 iMac is little better than a 2019 iMac, it will sell only on it's looks. That might be enough for folks with very old machines (where even lower-TDP CPUs and GPUs will be better than what they have now), but for folks with i9 2019s with 580s or Vegas, would they upgrade just for a new form factor?

 

[Azrael9]

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30/32 inch iMacs?

Slimmer bezels...?

More cores. AS doubling up to put Intel to the sword?

Consolidation of models?

Azrael.

 

[askunk]

Windoze seems to be running pretty fine on an iPad. I take it should run quite well with more RAM and a proper keyboard and mouse driver...

 

[Azrael9]

It has a 1 year warranty.

do I need a new computer now? Yes. I’m a music producer.

can I wait for September? Sure, unless my 2010 iMac dies, but it’s slow and 1/2 of the screen is dark due to a backlight dying. Not good for workflow.

the question is will the wait be worth it for the spec bump or will the 2017 iMac be close enough? Will the sept release have heating issues or run loud? If so that wait will be real disappointing.

my other thought...how long will Apple allow OS upgrades ona 2017 iMac Pro?

decisions suck.

If your iMac dies you'll probably have to pull the trigger.

Me? I'd wait until September. (But I don't need my machine right now for music production.) And that iMac Pro will become cheaper.

It's highly likely the 'new' iMac has most of the refinements of the iMac Pro and most of it's performance for half the price, saving you another grand. (SSDs as standard, 10 core BTO, RDNA1 option (which may be less importance to you...) and maybe more ram as standard.)

It's a game of blink between me and Apple.

September calls.

Azrael.
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Windoze seems to be running pretty fine on an iPad. I take it should run quite well with more RAM and a proper keyboard and mouse driver...

*Nods. I caught that. I thought it was intriguing. A desktop OS running on iPad.

Those rumours about 'full' fat Mac OS running on iPads and iPhones...I wonder...

Azrael.
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It has a 1 year warranty.

decisions suck.

They do.

Can you get 3 year Apple Care on it?

Azrael.
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" This is probably why Apple wrote, “Don’t assume a discrete GPU means better performance,” in its developer support document. "

apples homegrown chips could be the end for amd graphics in macs - Gizmodo

We come from the future.

www.gizmodo.co.uk

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

This is super exciting. 30-32 'prediction' from Sonny gives me hope. He is not always right but he is probably more reliable than others and seeing that we are still waiting and the other rumours point to september than I think this would be awesome. RDNA2, 30-32" screen in the same package, slimmer bezels = win win win win.
Where do I sign?
Taking the display from XDR and put it in iMac does make sense and we kinda hoped that that would happen.
We won't get all the features but frankly most of us don't care about that. We just want bigger screen that gives us more screen estate. And Apple taking the panel from XDR would do just that. It also makes sense for Apple as it would reduce the cost for them etc.

So this is the leak that I really really hope will be true. Same footprint but bigger screen will just look beautiful. I'm getting a bit more excited now
Also, Kuo did say ages ago that Q3 or Q4 will be 30-32 iMac so it aligns with him also.

In fact, I feel that I was probably correct in sense that march was a simple spec bump that didn't happen because of all the things (early 2020 model) and this september/october is the major refresh which is late 2020 model.
Its all making sense.

And they also demoed the AS chip on the XDR. Was that a little hint? Wouldn't that be awesome?

Ohhhhhhhhhh............hmmmmmmmmmmmmm............yeaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

(sorry, I just got excited)

'We have lift off honey.' Freddie Mercury.

Azrael.

 

[fokmik]

You don't fool me those pretty eyes
That sexy smile you don't fool me,
You don't rule me you're no surprise
You're telling lies , you don't fool me
Mama said you know that he's no good
Mama said be cool, don't you be no fool

 

[Azrael9]

You don't fool me those pretty eyes
That sexy smile you don't fool me,
You don't rule me you're no surprise
You're telling lies , you don't fool me
Mama said you know that he's no good
Mama said be cool, don't you be no fool

fok mi, those are lyrics from...

A song for Apple's marketing, certainly.

I have MiH on tape. I used to play it on the way home from Oil Painting classes. It's the only 'Q' album I don't have on vinyl.

Azrael.

 

[xgman]

I'm getting the feeling that they did some gear shifting on all of this recently. I do favor the idea of continuity of sector releases rather than one here, one later, etc.

 

[Azrael9]

I'm getting the feeling that they did some gear shifting on all of this recently. I do favor the idea of continuity of sector releases rather than one here, one later, etc.

It feels like 'gear shifting.' Like Supply Chain politics...which would explain the leggy rumours and mixed whispers.

If they're moving to a new display size for the Intel iMac (with redesign...) there is precedence for this 'delay' (nothing has been announced...) iMacs had the laminated process for the screen which caused delays with that innovation's initial shipping. For example, my late 2012 iMac announced in said year but shipped in January 2013. It seemed to take ages.

Given the current 'narrative' there are plenty of mitigating circumstances.

'Custom' Intel 95w variants...and possibly waiting on the RDNA1+ respin (available from AMD in Sep? Along with RNDA2?) along with a new display and design...would explain 'why' September. Heat concerns addressed with parts that run cooler than the established parts for other OEMS. An RDNA1+ makes more sense than the RDNA1 as per.

In short, we may not receive 'new' iMac until back end of September (shipping?)

Azrael.

 

[xgman]

In short, we may not receive 'new' iMac until back end of September (shipping?)

Azrael.

So, how long after Fall 2020 would you expect the switch over to imac Apple silicon then, seems like it would be at least a year + from that point for the next update, albeit a big internal one.

 

[anthony13]

Anything's possible. We might only see the lowered powered smaller 24" ARM iMac this Fall, and not a powerful larger frame one (27-32?) until a year from now or more. So it's entirely possible an ARM iMac debuts at the same time as an intel iMac this Fall. I know for some that seems really counter productive, but remember that intel iMac's are a necessity for a large amount of users until professional software is native on MACOS 11.