If this is true they better at least give us space gray as an option so the next computer I get doesn’t look EXACTLY like the one I currently have from 2010...freakin’ Tim Apple...
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If this is true they better at least give us space gray as an option so the next computer I get doesn’t look EXACTLY like the one I currently have from 2010...freakin’ Tim Apple...
I also feel, that its good time to buy the last Intel iMac and then wait a 1-2 years to switch over. Most developers will catch up, the market will settle and the resale value of the last Intel iMac will be quite good (for many reasons). So all in all, it doesn't really matter when the AS iMac come because by the time it does, the initial pains will be ironed out and most of us who will switch will not experience anything.
That being said, I haven't switched to Catalina yet. Its the only macOS that I have completely skipped.
Regardless, Sep/Oct is the perfect time for new redesigned 30-32" iMac. RDNA2 will allow for better thermals and maybe Intel will provide custom CPU as you mentioned also so that will sort it out. And the new design will be universal for everything after. It will stimulate people to buy and when they switch it to AS and the design doesn't change people will be ok with it all.
All psychological of course.
Please though, give us the 30-32" - that will make me so happy and Xmas will be that much nicer this year.
I agree.
I'm buying this 2020 intel and then in a few years I'll get the newer ARM imac with all the fixes and upgrades of a 3rd or 4th gen chip.
* Now that I have decided on it, it's just a waiting game. Been saving for 3 years......Upgrading from a 2007 macbook pro, running OSX 10.4.1 +2GB ram + 2.4 ghz Duo core processor + Logic Pro 7..............
I'm beyong excited to get a new mac....my first imac, and start making music again for the first time in years.
* I'm wondering if we get something like a 20% boost in performance with the new chips....is that too much?
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Spacey Gray looks amazing on the imacs....I wish they would let us...I'd pay more for it.
That report is nothing more than a summary of 220+pages of discussion in this thread. RDNA2, not going to happen if the iMac was already slated to be shipped earlier in the year. I'm saying no because I am assuming the GPU is part of the overall logic/motherboard rather than a standalone daughter card. if it is a daughter card then RDNA2 can be a possibility.
So redesign for the 14” and 16” mbp and for the bigger imac
I think I'm on the same boat here. BUT, with the delay of delivery of any new orders on the Apple store, especially in Europe where I am, I was planning to order one instead from a local authorised distributor. I'm looking to buy the iMac with an SSD. Now what's happening is that the authorised distributor has offered to change the SSD for me into a Samsung SSD to reduce wait time if I buy it with them. Do you think that's a wise thing to do? Am I sacrificing a lot for swapping out the Fusion Drives or original Apple SSD (if there's such a thing)? In fact I'm paying a bit more for this configuration the shop is offering me. Help please.
Deeper dive into the mystic delivery times: It is only the 6-core chip that has delivery time of 8-9 weeks. Configs with the 8-core chip has delivery times of 3-4 weeks. I also found that the 2TB SSD results in 8-9 week while all other disks has 3-4 week delivery. Seem to me like a COVID-19 related delay rather than a new iMac arriving as the delay is caused by some specific components.
Regarding resolution and screen sizes. I think Apple will not go away from retina (218/219 DPI) so I think a new display will be 32 inch (6k) rather than 30.
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Regarding resolution and screen sizes. I think Apple will not go away from retina (218/219 DPI) so I think a new display will be 32 inch (6k) rather than 30.
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So MBP get a redesign based on AS. It also coincide with the miniLED rumours so it is possible the AS will get the miniLED screens. I wonder if Intel Mac will go miniLED.
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Did I hear someone say, 32 inch and 6K? Ooft, beautiful. Will buy any iMac with that screen, Intel or AS.
I dont think there will be any Macs with miniLED this year. Macs are being spec bumped this year.
Given the unfolding of the transition strategy by Apple, this seems a very sensible analysis. The good ol' Rene nailed it again.
Anyway, just saying that after a week on Big Sur, it works very well (even on my soon-exploding MBP15 2013). Beta 2 works nicely. Almost no glitch, really. No slow down, works at the same speed as Catalina. The GPU memory suffers thought. My 2 GB 750M has a hard time driving three displays. The transparency and all that stuff is quite rough. But it makes me feel excited about the release. It won't be a Catalina fiasco again.
Apple will do well to plumb the depths of the Catalina fiasco.
I expect there's a lot riding on Big Sur making a splash with the next generation of AS cpu/gpu.
Pride in the OS. Pride in the silicon. They know own both. It's a badge of honour to get this right.
They don't want the debut of 11 and AS to be a bug ridden and 'slow' mess.
Quite the reverse. It needs to be a real depature from the Intel cpu platform. (Casting aside the 'Spectre' of SkyLake's bugs...)
Rock solid, efficient, optimised. Secure. Super fast. Transformational in user experience and work loads.
Smooth as butter.
I suspect the upgrade to Big Sur and a latest Intel or ARM iMac will be warp drive compared to old impulse power 2012 iMac users or those with expanded battery Mac laptops...
Azrael.
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Nothing we haven't covered to death on this threads. But it does reinforce the things that have been discussed.
Interesting that they challenged Apple for those users that liked their own 'huge' displays. But Apple maintain that Mini and Mac Pro are single digit desktop sales. (Chicken and Egg. No cheap tower because Apple don't want you upgrading your own components...and it will stay single digit at £6k for an embarassing spec. And the Mini is bad value for money...so it's staying single digit too. They're both bad, bad value.) The iMac is the default offering and the closest thing to 'good value' that Apple does.
*shrugs. So it sells more.
Yes. The rumours and analysis point to a iMac ARMs using a better footprint to offer 24 and 30 inch displays. I'm ok with that.
Though, I hope they offer the new design with the Intel. Some leakers have said, 'yes' to a new design for the 'last' iMac Intel. And it will probably be 27 inches. With the Mac ARM iMac getting 30 inch as an incentive to move Intel buyers over to iMac ARM high end when it's ready.
But they have to sell something in the meantime. And that's an Intel iMac which is dragging its feet.
The worst case scenario is no redesign. But overall the Intel iMac gets a 'substantial' overall boost.
512 gig SSD. 5700 XT GPU. More (16 gigs) RAM. ...and access to a (95W) 10 core.
Just those four things will improve the user and work load quality of life.
If Apple are after the 5700XT RDNA1 respin (for heat reasons...and it arrives in Sep?) then that would explain part of the delay. Some muse it's displays that are on 'go slow.' And Intel may just be getting into the cpu stride with the latest ++++++ gen' and, in addition, it's a custom clock part for Apple?
There's nothing exceptional about putting an SSD in (after 8 years...) or bumping the ram by an extra 8 gigs.
So I'm pointing at the display, cpu and especially the gpu as likely hold ups. With 'social distancing' in work places reducing output?
Sep release? I hope there is an RDNA2 BTO option to compensate. But if it's £800 BTO...with expensive HDM2...
Azrael.
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I feel like they have this OS in a branch somewhere since long ago. I think they usually fork the master branch into a new one somewhere near the release of the previous OS to create the upcoming one, but something tells me that with ARM compilation of it, Big Sur has been existing in Apple's lab since a while. Maybe not the new interface theme, but Darwin 20.0 and macOS "10.16" has been existing for long since they certainly had to rewrite a couple of things.
Big year for Mac. AS Mac. Yes.
Consumer Mac AS complete probably by late June. (7 months after the 1st Mac AS Laptop ships in December? iMac 24 to follow quickly-ish by end of this year - or early 2021. Mac Mini sometime after?)
With the 'Pro' Mac AS coming in the fall of next year. *(Likely on AS15 instead of the AS14. With the iPhone 13 getting the A15 1st next September 2021.)
So. Massive.
Expecting screen size boosts to distinguishing from Intel models.
Desktops.
21-24.
27-30.
Laptops. (Some consolidation...of models...)
13-14.
16. (Already had the bump from 15 to 16.)
Azrael.
I've mentioned it before, I feel that there were 2 updates. One in March that was spec bump (and now cancelled) and then substantial one in fall that is still in play. So, with that in play we will get redesign and hopefully rdna2 also.
Sept/October timeframe (more likely October)
Sept/October timeframe
(more likely October)I get the impression this has been a 'secret side project' for some time. Which may explain why Catalina was so ropey as they were prioritising this Big Sur release and the other top secret 'full fat' Mac OS on iPad/iPhone project... (Face it Luke, you know that I...am your father...)
It didn't just happen. It has been that way for a long time. The transition. Both in software and hardware. It's been happening under our noses. Whilst many were hanging onto their 'denial' or 'sky falling' scenarios. That's Apple for you.
That you're reporting it's so stable so soon suggests, indeed, this has been in Apple's labs for some time.
Check out all the WWDC2020 demos. All of them so mature. Games. 3D. Traditional Mac weaknesses runnning at smooh(!) speed under emulation and 3 4k streams running on a Mac Mini *(chokes on saliva.) Rosetta2 performance buried the Steve Jobs Photoshop demo which 'slowly' loaded with him sat on his seat on stage humming along.
With the new Apple file system and Metal and all the under the hood stuff that's been going on for years...no surprise that underlying tech' has probably been a fork project for quite a while... And that coincides nicely with a new holostic interface tie in.
This transition...was done years ago. Probably. Just a matter of waiting for the silicon to mature to put the boot in Intel after they served up the bug fest to Apple of Skylake. Must be sour when your biggest bug finder is your premium partner in business. And embarrassing too.
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I've mentioned it before, I feel that there were 2 updates. One in March that was spec bump (and now cancelled) and then substantial one in fall that is still in play. So, with that in play we will get redesign and hopefully rdna2 also.
Sept/October timeframe
Yep.
By the time Apple ships it? Yeah. My tongue is hanging out...
October is a traditional iMac launch window.
Come on, Apple...pull your finger out.
Azrael.
So many heads in the clouds. Probably most of us are guessing completely wrong
I had the exact opposite experience with it. Worst Beta I have ever tried, albeit very early on of course. If you only use apple apps it is probably fine. Not good for audio production.
Apple will do well to plumb the depths of the Catalina fiasco.
I expect there's a lot riding on Big Sur making a splash with the next generation of AS cpu/gpu.
Pride in the OS. Pride in the silicon. They know own both. It's a badge of honour to get this right.
They don't want the debut of 11 and AS to be a bug ridden and 'slow' mess.
Quite the reverse. It needs to be a real depature from the Intel cpu platform. (Casting aside the 'Spectre' of SkyLake's bugs...)
Rock solid, efficient, optimised. Secure. Super fast. Transformational in user experience and work loads.
Smooth as butter.
I suspect the upgrade to Big Sur and a latest Intel or ARM iMac will be warp drive compared to old impulse power 2012 iMac users or those with expanded battery Mac laptops...
Azrael.
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Nothing we haven't covered to death on this threads. But it does reinforce the things that have been discussed.
Interesting that they challenged Apple for those users that liked their own 'huge' displays. But Apple maintain that Mini and Mac Pro are single digit desktop sales. (Chicken and Egg. No cheap tower because Apple don't want you upgrading your own components...and it will stay single digit at £6k for an embarassing spec. And the Mini is bad value for money...so it's staying single digit too. They're both bad, bad value.) The iMac is the default offering and the closest thing to 'good value' that Apple does.
*shrugs. So it sells more.
Yes. The rumours and analysis point to a iMac ARMs using a better footprint to offer 24 and 30 inch displays. I'm ok with that.
Though, I hope they offer the new design with the Intel. Some leakers have said, 'yes' to a new design for the 'last' iMac Intel. And it will probably be 27 inches. With the Mac ARM iMac getting 30 inch as an incentive to move Intel buyers over to iMac ARM high end when it's ready.
But they have to sell something in the meantime. And that's an Intel iMac which is dragging its feet.
The worst case scenario is no redesign. But overall the Intel iMac gets a 'substantial' overall boost.
512 gig SSD. 5700 XT GPU. More (16 gigs) RAM. ...and access to a (95W) 10 core.
Just those four things will improve the user and work load quality of life.
If Apple are after the 5700XT RDNA1 respin (for heat reasons...and it arrives in Sep?) then that would explain part of the delay. Some muse it's displays that are on 'go slow.' And Intel may just be getting into the cpu stride with the latest ++++++ gen' and, in addition, it's a custom clock part for Apple?
There's nothing exceptional about putting an SSD in (after 8 years...) or bumping the ram by an extra 8 gigs.
So I'm pointing at the display, cpu and especially the gpu as likely hold ups. With 'social distancing' in work places reducing output?
Sep release? I hope there is an RDNA2 BTO option to compensate. But if it's £800 BTO...with expensive HDM2...
Azrael.
You know what the good thing about these two "bad value" machines is? They are actually available and you know what you get. Of course they lose in comparison to your wishful-thinking iMac with a 10 core and a 5700XT (so basically an iMac Pro for the price of an iMac) and its 32" 6K display. But will that ever happen? And when? We've been waiting for months already. We've been tricked by "leakers". This waiting game is a really unproductive and annoying hobby to have! But good to see you can keep your enthusiasm.
You have to look a bit further. Because your audio apps doesn't work doesn't mean the entire OS is a piece of sh*t.
And no, I don't only use Apple's app.
All the apps in these screenshots work perfectly. I don't use a ton thought, but they work fine.
Attachments
Here's a theme tune for Apple Silicon.
I thought I'd throw my hat in the ring...
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Yes. You can play the waiting game until it drives you crackers. If you desperately need a work computer right now because your music work computer fell over and it's wages for a living. The answer is clear. (And probably wise to have a back up computer for such a scenario.)
If you're stuck inbetween Apple's yawning updates...then it's less clear. The 2019 iMac was an 'ok' update when 1st they did make it. Oil tanker bezels, but more substantially, a low end gpu...with a high price to pay for a mid range gpu option. And 6 cores on £2k plus machines. And those Fusion Drives? I hope it's more than wishful thinking we'll see the back of this archaic tech'. Hardly exotic to wish for something better when the rest of the line has it.
The 'bad value' machines are available. And if somebody is desperate to buy them for production purposes then more power to them. I note that Apple had a decent quarter in Mac sales. So some are 'happy' with their purchases.
A 'bad value' can be relative to a product not being updated for 6, 4, 3 years or a year and a half. Apple's desktops are poor value and relatively poor performance compared to the PC market.
That said. There is no shame in the 6 core Mac Mini vs an 8 core Mac Pro. The price disparity isn't matched by a tremendous performance disparity. But that's Intel's relative performance stagflation over the last half a decade. They only started adding cores when AMD pushed them to do so.
Wishful thinking?
A 32 inch iMac for the Intel iMac may be pushing it.
But SSD, a bump to ram and a form of RDNA1 are hardly pushing it. 8 years we've been on the 1st two 'standards' and RDNA1 is a year old. Hardly 'wishful thinking' or exorbitant for the £2k outlay.
...and the 10 core has been 'dropped' in a Geek bench leak. It's pretty much an open secret at this point.
The fact is the pc market has moved on from 4 core Intels and low range Polaris gpus. eg. Nvidia is about to lap Intel GPU Macs for the 3rd time with the pending Ampere.
Leakers. We have to take their tea leaves with the same caveats as the Oracle of Delphi.
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Well. Only Apple knows.
We only have past history to go by.
Which means that updates can drag on.
Even for modest updates.
As fro Beta OS. It's a Beta OS. User experiences can vary greatly.
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There's nothing wrong with the machines Apple users have now. Intrinsically. Except they age, Apple don't cut prices or push out timely updates. And prices that have ridden up relative to the rest of the market. Tim Apple. *points finger.
Waiting is very difficult when you know(!) what you want and your only supplier of computers is pushing out watch bands...and ear buds...whilst Mac desktops whither on the vine.
I once waited ten years for my 'next' Mac. Don't tell anyone. (My beloved 24 inch iMac. After the previous Power Mac Tower which I loved to death...
.)Crazy? I'll say. Won't be doing that again. There's only so many times you can do stupid things before you run out of track. Lol.
I have an Apple schism. I love what they do great. I 'hate' what they do bad. Mercurial as they are flawed.
I have enthusiasm for what is to come. Both OS, Intel and AS.
Didn't plan on my iMac 2012 to fall over. 'Dead jim.' I'd targeted a fall buy. Of what ever was avaiable with RDNA2 'Promising' (that word again...I've personally banned myself from using that 'P' word...) so much.
There's mountains and valleys in computer purchases. 6 core machines will be mountains compared to my late 2012 iMac. And they're decent performers. If they're priced accordingly. There's nothing 'bad' about a 6 core Intel right now. But I wouldn't pay more than £1k for such a set up. That's down to Apple. Up to them to keep their desktops up to date. 2 years on, did Apple update the Mac Mini to 8 core? No. They stuck with 6 cores. But modestly bumped the SSD.
Patience is a virtue...but yes, sorely tested as an Apple customer. I'm surprised Apple Stores haven't got waiting cubicles for desktop updates...where they charge you a Apple Services fee whilst you wait their next desktop computer that is years out of date...
Wishing thinking. May it manifest reality. (The 'new' iMac...not the Apple Store 'Waiting Cubicle.')
Azrael.
PS. With the caveat you don't wish your life away. (*has the scorch marks from singed wings in that regard...)
The iMac Pro is supposed to, per MCK.
Honestly at this point I am really happy my 2017 5K is still perfect for my needs so I can sit back and just wait to see how all this shakes out in terms of CPUs, GPUs, form-factors, screen-sizes and such. The only thing that would compel me to upgrade in the next few years would be a hardware failure.
I feel for those who are compelled to upgrade in the near term.
Your 2017 5k will be mighty fine for now and the relative future. There's nothing much 'wrong' with anything from 2017 onwards, Intel wise. The performance hasn't changed 'that' much. 5k. i7s. Decent enough gpus. With enough ram and an ssd you'll be set for a while yet.
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Enough to enjoy a front row seat of the AS vs Intel smack down.
Being Mac less isn't a great deal of 'fun'. It's the between a rock and a hard place of the reality of 2019 iMac and the not-so high fantasy of the 'pending last' iNteL iMac.
'Soon.' (So 'they' say...)
Azrael.
I definitely want a new intel machine for the next few years especially in the music production biz. Not hearing good things about Big Sur Beta handling Plugins in logic.
Now I wonder if I should just get a iMac Pro 2017 as a transition computer. I already know those are stellar for Audio production and even if this last intel iMac is better it’ll have Big Sur preloaded...😬
Now I wonder if I should just get a iMac Pro 2017 as a transition computer. I already know those are stellar for Audio production and even if this last intel iMac is better it’ll have Big Sur preloaded...😬
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And they're in sales. One poster, yesterday, noted a $3600 price for one.
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The latter...£3449. Depending on how comfortable you are with eBay.
Seems like £3.5k isn't an uncommon price range.
Azrael.
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