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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

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So yes, best of both worlds. The 6600M 'could' be BTO. (Maybe an eye watering £800 BTO if it has that HBM. In which case they can keep it and I'd prefer a cheaper 5700XT.)

There is speculation the 5600M is an Apple-only part and I think Apple and AMD might be using HBM2 for the 5600M because it replaces the previous Vega 20 which also used HBM2. The rest of the line uses GDDR6 so I would expect all of the AMD iMac parts to also be GDDR6.

HBM2 is also more power-efficient than GDDR which is why the 5600M can do what it does while still only drawing 50W. With Vega already a power-hungry GPU, adding power-hungry GDDR5 on top of that would have blown the thermal budget. AMD also bet - wrongly - that HBM2 pricing would see sharp decreases. Instead, it saw increases and that is part of the reason why the 5600M BTO option is so bloody expensive beyond Apple's usual markups.

RDNA is apparently power-efficient enough versus Vega that AMD can "afford" to use GDDR6, which is cheaper than HBM2 (and I expect GDDR6 is better than GDDR5 in terms of power-efficiency). So I would expect the RDNA 1+2 GPUs to be using GDDR6.
 
So for us that skipped the last 10+ pages, what's the latest thinking? Is it going to drop tomorrow/next week, or is it coming in September?
 
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So for us that skipped the last 10+ pages, what's the latest thinking? Is it going to drop tomorrow/next week, or is it coming in September?

If you want to believe almost every leaker under the sun this iMac was ready "for" WWDC.
This week would be the perfect timeframe for something bigger to drop (Wednesday is 30 days after the WWDC keynote, Apple likes 14 and 30 day intervals for making news).
A reliable leaker tweeted today that new products are "ready to ship" with no word on what.
Would make sense for it to be iMac.

Could also be some version of headphones, the gaming controller or the new Apple tv that has all been rumoured. Granted all of these would fit the September iOS devices event a lot better than iMac would. So one can hope.
Could also be something random like iPad Mini or iPad Air with both having been released detached from the normal iPad product cycle and i think Kou also talked about a bigger iPad Air for the second half of 2020 so that could be happening while again be much more fitting for the iOS related keynote in September.
 
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This week would be the perfect timeframe for something bigger to drop (Wednesday is 30 days after the WWDC keynote, Apple likes 14 and 30 day intervals for making news).
This week and next week would be perfect time to release the intel iMac because Apple won't mix up September with anything but iOS devices and October will only be AS.

@Azrael9 you and I are talking about two different Bachelor series. I am referring to the Australian one that kicked off. It will be funny to see this thread derail into iMac Intel/AS with a side of Bachelor Paradise lol
 
If you want to believe almost every leaker under the sun this iMac was ready "for" WWDC.
This week would be the perfect timeframe for something bigger to drop (Wednesday is 30 days after the WWDC keynote, Apple likes 14 and 30 day intervals for making news).
A reliable leaker tweeted today that new products are "ready to ship" with no word on what.
Would make sense for it to be iMac.

Could also be some version of headphones, the gaming controller or the new Apple tv that has all been rumoured. Granted all of these would fit the September iOS devices event a lot better than iMac would. So one can hope.
Could also be something random like iPad Mini or iPad Air with both having been released detached from the normal iPad product cycle and i think Kou also talked about a bigger iPad Air for the second half of 2020 so that could be happening while again be much more fitting for the iOS related keynote in September.

I'm wondering if they are going to wait until after the Microsoft Xbox event on July 23rd. Even if it's a different market, it's going to be covered by literally everybody for the 3-5 days afterwards and Apple will want to maximize media exposure for the reveal of the new imacs............that is my guess at least.
 
I'm wondering if they are going to wait until after the Microsoft Xbox event on July 23rd. Even if it's a different market, it's going to be covered by literally everybody for the 3-5 days afterwards and Apple will want to maximize media exposure for the reveal of the new imacs............that is my guess at least.

I'd think that if this was an Apple Silicon release but I think the next Intel iMac will not command that much attention or marketing. There'll be an email blast, front page of apple.com and articles covering it but not much else. They'll reserve their marketing for the Sept iOS stuff and AS.
 
There is difference between buying old tech and tech that is out in 5 weeks. I think we can all agree that all of us want the best value for the money. Apple can deliver that.
Its basically around the corner so yeah, it better be up to date and current.

Ja.
This is the crucial difference between people buying because they actually need a machine and people buying for sport every now and than hyperventilating about next years tech and bezel size.
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Lol! Calm down - its just a computer
 
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You do realize that there will be a new new iMac in half a year as per their usual schedule right? Stuff like this is planned out for years in Advanced. They won’t just skip one because „lol COVID“. If you want to wait a few Month because „whatever“ you can just get the next one that will have some version of „whatever“ Because that bb is already in „production“ and in the profit and order books for a loooong time.

this current „new„ machine however is getting older by the minute Because it was Allegedly supposed to be out not just weeks but month ago according to people like coinx and prosser That, no matter how much you hate them for internet hate reasons, have a great record in recent and not so recent leaks. That’s not even taking the flood of people in account that announced the „leak“ of it being out on or around wwdc.
 
Let's work up some enthusiasm for this week as well then. Too many shouts for the bad wolf so it is a bit hard to be enthusiastic. Furthermore, AS Mac is looming but when and which performance? That also curbs my enthusiasm for a an intel iMac.
 
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I’m just glad I bought the 2019 5K iMac. I suspect an all new iMac will include an ARM CPU so let the early adopters suffer all the growing pains from that little nest of Vipers.
 
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*Scratches head. Tiger Lake. Is that the back porting of a new chip architecture onto the .14nm++++++ process? Rocketlake being the thermal efficiency?

So many iterations of Intel warez that it seems like a jumble to me.

It could explain the iMac delaying. Giving Intel the courtesy of announcing their tech' 1st and an iMac release may follow that...

...hopefully sooner than October.

Azrael.
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Still think the 27" iMac will be just a spec bump / or a 27" in iMac Pro chassis (iMac Pro discontinued). 24" in October / November with ARM, 27" (30-32") with ARM next year.

In some ways. I'd have been happy with the iMac Pro given a 50% price cut.

It's three years old. It's nothing special for £5k.

But for £2.5k. I may have been tempted.

Azrael.
 

*Scratches head. Tiger Lake. Is that the back porting of a new chip architecture onto the .14nm++++++ process? Rocketlake being the thermal efficiency?

So many iterations of Intel warez that it seems like a jumble to me.

It could explain the iMac delaying. Giving Intel the courtesy of announcing their tech' 1st and an iMac release may follow that...

...hopefully sooner than October.

Azrael.
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In some ways. I'd have been happy with the iMac Pro given a 50% price cut.

It's three years old. It's nothing special for £5k.

But for £2.5k. I may have been tempted.

Azrael.

I think that announcement is for Tiger Lake mobile CPUs so won't have much of an impact on an iMac launch. From what I have ready anyway.
 
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That's all well and good if it actually ships in September. I can wait a few months. But man...if there are delays, shortages on parts with how the world is now or delays because the demand is higher than expected it could technically push into October-November. If I was just using my computer for browsing the internet I wouldn't care to wait but with all the zoom meetings, design work and audio production I'm working on Apple is really putting me in a bad spot.

Just a few months from a new iMac release but I'm really feeling age on my 2010 i3 27". Literally the WORST time to need an iMac in history.

Also, I just have a really hard time believing they are going to announce an Intel iMac with new phones and tablets releasing. Anything is possible but it seems like a bad move. That's why I thought June/July was a sure shot. It's before the big push for AS, it will have some time to shine and sell on it's own with no competing products, then September for Mobile releases then AS focus in 2021. I just made sense...now, who the heck knows?

This is the last time I hold on to a computer this long. Should start looking while things are still going good rather than when it's critical.
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The good news is I just bought a Samsung T7 2TB SSD External drive to move everything to. When I finally get a new Mac I'll have some good space to keep it clean of nonsense and It'll make for an easy transition. If I can't buy a new iMac now, I mine as well start getting everything else ready.

You make a good point of doing things from a position of strength and perhaps not waiting 'as long' to get a new computer...ie to the point of it being mission critical. (I've learned my lesson there.)

I see a future where I have Mac, PC and (an AS Mac Mini as back up server.)

Bases covered.

You're doing the right thing preparing for the move and making use of your time.

Unchartered waters regarding the iMac release. Given the current situation, we haven't see a great deal out of Apple this year other than spec 'meh' releases, minute bumps from the parts bin...and a rather good 'promise' of what is to come via the WWDC2020.

I think the best release, ironically, was the 'value for money' iPhone. (The cash cow...) with 'flagship' performance for £400. Which proves Apple could do cheaper Macs if they had the 'will' to do it.

That was a decent move. As the economies are broke. People are getting laid off. Money is alot scarcer for a great many more people. And it might get a lot worse.

I hope the new iMac tries to focus on value for money. The traditional time frame for an iMac release is October/fall time. (And recently March of last year...) Given how long the Mini took (two years for a 'meh' update...) there is no guarantee this iMac won't suffer a similar fate. But the iMac is a much more important product. From a design and marketing point of view.

It's the one product that is really overdue a significant overhaul inside and out.

Azrael.
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There is speculation the 5600M is an Apple-only part and I think Apple and AMD might be using HBM2 for the 5600M because it replaces the previous Vega 20 which also used HBM2. The rest of the line uses GDDR6 so I would expect all of the AMD iMac parts to also be GDDR6.

HBM2 is also more power-efficient than GDDR which is why the 5600M can do what it does while still only drawing 50W. With Vega already a power-hungry GPU, adding power-hungry GDDR5 on top of that would have blown the thermal budget. AMD also bet - wrongly - that HBM2 pricing would see sharp decreases. Instead, it saw increases and that is part of the reason why the 5600M BTO option is so bloody expensive beyond Apple's usual markups.

RDNA is apparently power-efficient enough versus Vega that AMD can "afford" to use GDDR6, which is cheaper than HBM2 (and I expect GDDR6 is better than GDDR5 in terms of power-efficiency). So I would expect the RDNA 1+2 GPUs to be using GDDR6.

Good post.

It didn't work out the way AMD wanted on HBM. And that initial gpu release with it only had 4 gigs of GPU memory.

Now bigger stacks are doable and happening but at a price.

Azrael.
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There are great things on the tech' horizon.

PS5. AS Mac.

An Intel iMac should be substantial.

Big Sur.

But we're going to have to wait for them.

Highly frustrating.

But September appears to be the nexus of when the dominoes start to fall...

Even if you want to build a PC. New, best GPUs in years...release? September.

RDNA2 and Ampere will fall from September (though some peg Ampere as a possible August release...that seems ambitious to me...)

That's alot of dominoes.

Azrael.
 
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I think we will find out tomorrow or Wednesday this week. My bet is a redesigned iMac with 10th gen Intel, NAVI graphics and no more fusion drive (Sonny Dickson).

If it were just a spec bump, why wouldnt they have refreshed them already, why the delay?

Will find out soon enough!
 
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I think we will find out tomorrow or Wednesday this week. My bet is a redesigned iMac with 10th gen Intel, NAVI graphics and no more fusion drive (Sonny Dickson).

If it were just a spec bump, why wouldnt they have refreshed them already, why the delay?

Will find out soon enough!

Soon. As in September soon.

Why the delay. Components.

Both CPU and GPU.

Tied to? September launches by Intel and AMD. Then you have inventory to stockpile. Apple's iMac release could be pushed to October.

A lower power ten core. A respun RDNA1+ using, presumably, less power.

Both of those things are why an iMac gets 'hot' under load. These components (hotter running versions...) are already available and have been for some time. They could have used these older versions and down clocked them. But they haven't done so. So far. Nothing in the rumours was anything significant. Except the redesign.

So if it was a standard spec bump. It could well have happened by now. It didn't stop the Macbook 13, Mac Mini or iPad z getting 'refreshed' or spec bumped.

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32” redesigned iMac coming tomorrow

Well, hope springs eternal.

If such a beast comes tomorrow. I'll buy it short of some kind of truly crazy price. (No blank cheque here...)

Tomorrow is a Tuesday.

Other than that. I think a 32 inch iMac redesign coming tomorrow is unlikely. (They brought in the 5k screen into the iMac when many people doubted that. Cheaper than the Dell monitor and it included a computer quipped Apple at the time. So there's no reason a 6k version of the iMac couldn't be introduced with 32 inches of BIG Mac love. They have the supply chain reach and there is past iMac history to suggest things like this are 'possible.' That 5k iMac was introduced...what? 6 years ago now? Great. But old news now. An 8k monitor is £3.4k by Dell. And that price isn't that disimilar to what Apple did to the 5k monitor and the iMac all those years ago. *shrugs.)

But sure, I'd like one to be. :D

It's like that line..., 'A kiss isn't the truth...but we'd like it to be.'

Azrael.
 
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