Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[applemanit]

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These would have made 'great' Mac 'Minis.'

Beautiful designed which suffered Apple's incredulous boutique pricing. Around this kind of price? With modern specs?

Yes please. I'd take it.

Azrael.
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According to that rumour *points above...*

'Could' be.

For those with 'dead' Macs, most welcome.

There is a potential Intel cpu release that may coincide with that. Again. Heat efficient cpus that can go into the iMac.

See Videocardz link.

Azrael.

LOL I just asked this question because I found that Mac Pro too and I was considering buying it but then I read about the iMac so now I don't know what to do 😂

 

[Azrael9]

Azrael, I know you like high res monitors, but 32k is a bit much...

8k. I want that 8k. I've been eye-ing up that 8k Dell.

I wonder if the new RDNA2 will run it...without dual/two connectors...

Azrael.
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LOL I just asked this question because I found that Mac Pro too and I was considering buying it but then I read about the iMac so now I don't know what to do 😂

Great minds think alike.

I'd check Apple. If they're going to support it with Big Sur. (They're cheeky that way.)

It 'should' be fine. But that's a 7 year old design now. Hard to believe.

What to do?

Wait.

Paying £1300-1500 for a 7 year old design that's going to get an a*** kicking by the new Intel iMac?

That money goes a long way to it.

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

8k. I want that 8k. I've been eye-ing up that 8k Dell.

I wonder if the new RDNA2 will run it...without dual/two connectors...

Azrael.

I am guessing 8k was just too much, for the Pro XDR Display? 6K seems an odd step, given the slow rise of 8K.

 

[Azrael9]

Yep. Only in Big Sur, so likely only with ARM macs. Suggesting no redesign for a new Intel imac that would be released prior Big Sur release. Clear evidence now. They cannot release an imac with FaceID under Catalina saying ’’Oh sorry, this feature will only be available in a couple of months’’.

But they'll happily pile the pressure on those suckers *(cough...sorry...)* I mean...buyers of the legacy Intel iMac with 'only' Mac AS features in that 1st Big Sur 1st AS Mac release.

Only Apple can be so bold.

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

That makes sense to me. (There was also the law suit re: gpu failure on Macbook Pros? Was there a 'fight' over who payed for that?)

But the driver thing sounds like part of the reason why Apple wants to go 1st party on cpus/gpus.

Basically, after 2nd rate treatment at all levels and thus, the customers who buy their products, they've decided to take matters into their own hands and control their own destiny.

If Apple can make their own cpu and gpu like they make the gold standard of Os (aka MacOS?) then we're in for a real treat... (and a *real* Mac 'Mini.' ...)

Azrael.
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Intel allegedly preparing new 10th Gen Core KA-Series processors - VideoCardz.com

Intel is expanding its 10th Gen Core series with new processors. Mysterious Core i9 Intel KA-series Before going into details, it appears that all new 10th Gen core processors are listed as Core i9 series. We are not sure if this a mistake, but multiple stores have now listed the processors with...

videocardz.com

i9-10850KA	10C/20T	3.6 GHz

This processor from above link.


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I thought this cpu would be tied to Sep 2nd's big Intel event. But this image from the link suggests overwise.

Whilst there are 65 watt cpus...they are 2.8 base clock 10 cores.

...and

i9-10900K	10C/20T	3.7 GHz	5.1 GHz	5.2 GHz	4.8 GHz	5.3/4.9 GHz	125W	$488

This at an eye melting 125w.

Perhaps the incoming 10 core is close to 95watts or less?

Something between the 65 and 125w options.

I'm not sure what the current iMac cpus are rated for.

But it seems something is holding up the new Intel iMac.

In short, this may be part of the reason for the hold up. A specic product or a custom iMac related cpu product for Apple.

Azrael.

At this point, I am 100% certain a simple spec bump with custom 95w 10th gen parts are coming. Given clock speeds and power don't scale in a linear fashion. You can lose a small amount of speed dropping from 125w to 95w. Whether Intel's 95w is real world 95w is another matter.

 

[Azrael9]

I am guessing 8k was just too much, for the Pro XDR Display? 6K seems an odd step, given the slow rise of 8K.

I was disappointed it wasn't 8k to be honest.

Seemed like a half step.

CWallace is good with display stuff or rather, he knows what he wants from displays.

Me. I don't really see the point of going from 5k to 6k. Or to make that big a deal about the iMac getting it.

Going from my res' on my late 2012 iMac (it shipped to me in 2013...) to the 2014's 5k was a huge leap. Or would have been, had I bought one.

And going from 5k to 8k would be more significant to me.

The Dell is just over £3k in monies. I remember when Apple's 22(?) inch studio display was £2k. That seems tiny now. Just like the 21 inch iMac.

If Apple had a range of displays

4k. £500.
5k. £1000.
8k. £2000.

I'd be happy with that choice.

I've seen a few 8k reviews on line. Needing 3 titans or some such to run the games with smooth framerates. Or dual cable set ups.

Been to PC World to see 8k tvs. The level of detail is so super fine.

This is the area I'd like to see Apple pushing. Online downloads are just about getting down to 4k. Mainstream tv isn't doing 4k.

But for content creators...I'd like to see Apple catering for 8k.

I wouldn't say no to a 6k 32 inch (or a 32k...) iMac.

What was exciting was that Apple's A12z chip in the 'beta' AS Mac Mini was pushing that 32 inch XDR no problem. Which suggests a AS Mini and XDR solution over something like an iMac Pro...could be in the works.

But Apple. Ridiculous they don't have sub £5.5k display options for consumers. Truly disgusting.

Boutique.

Azrael.
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At this point, I am 100% certain a simple spec bump with custom 95w 10th gen parts are coming. Given clock speeds and power don't scale in a linear fashion. You can lose a small amount of speed dropping from 125w to 95w. Whether Intel's 95w is real world 95w is another matter.

Yeah...it seems they're waiting for the 95w options to drop.

You can gain a nice thermal chunk by just a small amount of speed down clock.

And those custom 95w parts is part of the hold up. ie. Shipping in volume.

There's imminent cpu releases (allegedly) on Monday...and there is an Intel event on Sep 2.

So that puts the iMac between those dates, I'd guess.

There's plenty of gpu options out there for the iMac and have been for the last year. eg. the 'desktop clocks' of the GPUs in the Macbook Pro, perhaps. And a down clocked 5700XT could be BTO'd even without the rev1 launch in Sept/Oct by AMD.

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

I was disappointed it wasn't 8k to be honest.

Seemed like a half step.

CWallace is good with display stuff or rather, he knows what he wants from displays.

Me. I don't really see the point of going from 5k to 6k. Or to make that big a deal about the iMac getting it.

Going from my res' on my late 2012 iMac (it shipped to me in 2013...) to the 2014's 5k was a huge leap. Or would have been, had I bought one.

And going from 5k to 8k would be more significant to me.

The Dell is just over £3k in monies. I remember when Apple's 22(?) inch studio display was £2k. That seems tiny now. Just like the 21 inch iMac.

If Apple had a range of displays

4k. £500.
5k. £1000.
8k. £2000.

I'd be happy with that choice.

I've seen a few 8k reviews on line. Needing 3 titans or some such to run the games with smooth framerates. Or dual cable set ups.

Been to PC World to see 8k tvs. The level of detail is so super fine.

This is the area I'd like to see Apple pushing. Online downloads are just about getting down to 4k. Mainstream tv isn't doing 4k.

But for content creators...I'd like to see Apple catering for 8k.

I wouldn't say no to a 6k 32 inch (or a 32k...) iMac.

What was exciting was that Apple's A12z chip in the 'beta' AS Mac Mini was pushing that 32 inch XDR no problem. Which suggests a AS Mini and XDR solution over something like an iMac Pro...could be in the works.

But Apple. Ridiculous they don't have sub £5.5k display options for consumers. Truly disgusting.

Boutique.

Azrael.
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Agreed. Given Apple monitors are supposed to last years and years, and are not updated frequently, why not go all in on 8K? Perhaps 8K mini LED with 'HDR' (high brightness, etc) is not possible? I would have thought a good chunk of video editors who use a Mac Pro edit 8K footage, put perhaps not?

A lower priced monitor would be nice. Thankfully, I don't do any photo/video editing, so almost any 4K monitor is fine for me as my primary monitor. Monitors go up and up in price very quickly.

Yes, I am all for an AS Mac mini. Either that or a 32in AS iMac. I will buy whichever comes out first

 

[Azrael9]

I am guessing 8k was just too much, for the Pro XDR Display? 6K seems an odd step, given the slow rise of 8K.

The Mac Pro could have handled it.

Maybe the consumer Mac stuff would have struggled.

Though Apple used a custom part to get the 5k iMac rocking and rolling 6 years ago.

It created a unique selling point for the iMac.

I remember Apple boasting that the iMac included a computer with the 5k display for less than the price of the 5k Dell display. That shows you what Supply Chain can do for profits and products.

You can make them affordable and accessible or boutique aspirational expensive.

The 5k iMac is so 6 years ago. Where is the next mainstream consumer push in displays?

*shrugs. They could start with putting sodding SSDs in the next iMac for starters. Upping the RAM. Hardly wet dream items. And include a proper gpu that any PC in the £1000-1500 price range will have. Hardly exotic.

...and an actual cooling system. I don't want to pay £2k for an oven.

Azrael.
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Agreed. Given Apple monitors are supposed to last years and years, and are not updated frequently, why not go all in on 8K? Perhaps 8K mini LED with 'HDR' (high brightness, etc) is not possible? I would have thought a good chunk of video editors who use a Mac Pro edit 8K footage, put perhaps not?

Yes, I am all for an AS Mac mini. Either that or a 32in AS iMac. I will buy whichever comes out first

I think what you say makes alot of sense. Especially for those Hollywood and Big Media crowd. 8k is on the horizon just like 4k was all those years ago.

I'd have had the Mac Pro crowd editing 8k footage now. Which halves nicely to 4k? ie. Not inbetween res'.

It would be a nice creator's display for years. And it is going to play out for years, 8k. I'm looking forward to it.

I had been musing an 8k plus PC Tower set up. But the 'then' gpus didn't seem to run it without great expense and two or more of them required.

With RDNA2 and Ampere...that's alot more doable.

I'll happily go for that BenQ 32 inch(!) 4k though. £450 is a great deal cheaper than £3.5k for 8k. And 4k will be a massive step up for me.

As will that 5k iMac.

Azrael.

 

[Kjs100]

Twitter lit up this morning about next week. If it really does happen next week then full kudos to @DrRadon who had this hunch a month ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1286752679893622785

If it doesn't happen next week then I do know for sure the War for Cybertron Trilogy will be out. Cant really lose next week.

One lit match in a box of matches and they will all light up. I don't give much credence to these guys. There's another guy on twitter claiming the same event line up, only he posted his 7 minutes later than Komiya so he's clearly just plagiarizing. Im not aware of any of these guys having a track record. Next week is plausible in the same way that last week was plausible. Every week is more likely than the last. A monkey can type the compete works of Shakespeare given enough chances.

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[iPadified]

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These would have made 'great' Mac 'Minis.'

Beautiful designed which suffered Apple's incredulous boutique pricing. Around this kind of price? With modern specs?

Yes please. I'd take it.

MP 2013 It is a very good format for a Mac Mini. There is about 500W TDP in there and cooling could be much better than it is today by simply adding heatsinks of the GPU/CPU. It was a thermal dead end because the high end MP customers needed >1000W which it of course could not deliver. Custom GPU card are also a dead end. It would easily drive a 10900K + a decent GPU (well at least much better than in the current Mac mini).
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I'm not sure what the current iMac cpus are rated for.

You can get both a 65W and 95W. This chip would replace the 95W.

 

[Azrael9]

MP 2013 It is a very good format for a Mac Mini. There is about 500W TDP in there and cooling could be much better than it is today by simply adding heatsinks of the GPU/CPU. It was a thermal dead end because the high end MP customers needed >1000W which it of course could not deliver. Custom GPU card are also a dead end. It would easily drive a 10900K + a decent GPU (well at least much better than in the current Mac mini).

Spot on, iPadified.

100% with you. This would be my dream mid range Mac.

But Apple can't get over themselves with their boutique pricing. I'd def' have bought one of these int eh £1250-£1500 price range.

Ironic. With the increased move to SoC and cooler running tech' it's a progressive design which does fine for the prosumer level which it should have been targeted at.

THIS is the mid=range headless 'mini-tower' we're looking for.

10900k plus a decent eg. 5700xt or 6600M RDNA2?

*opens wallet.

Azrael.

 

[krell100]

The 2013 MP is actually a great prosumer MacPro solution. Totally silent even under heavy load, upgradable RAM which is pretty cheap and tons of I/O. Mine's still going strong and its only with really heavy VST loads that its showing its age, hence wanting Apple to make me a ridiculously powerful ARM iMac sometime in the next 12 months, pretty please Apple?

 

[iPadified]

Spot on, iPadified.

100% with you. This would be my dream mid range Mac.

But Apple can't get over themselves with their boutique pricing. I'd def' have bought one of these int eh £1250-£1500 price range.

Ironic. With the increased move to SoC and cooler running tech' it's a progressive design which does fine for the prosumer level which it should have been targeted at.

THIS is the mid=range headless 'mini-tower' we're looking for.

10900k plus a decent eg. 5700xt or 6600M RDNA2?

*opens wallet.

Azrael.

Please, also make a nice Apple 5k monitor for $1000 and we are in business. I agree, the price must come down for that to happen. I fully agree, the MP2013 would not be particularly thermally constrained using AS SoCs.
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The 2013 MP is actually a great prosumer MacPro solution. Totally silent even under heavy load, upgradable RAM which is pretty cheap and tons of I/O. Mine's still going strong and its only with really heavy VST loads that its showing its age, hence wanting Apple to make me a ridiculously powerful ARM iMac sometime in the next 12 months, pretty please Apple?

I fully agree, besides that, I also think it is beautiful computer that you do not need to hide away, quite the contrary. Ironic that such as beautiful computer got the nickname "Trashcan".
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Maybe Yes maybe not. These f**** are so cryptic...

Some leakers are on purpose cryptic. In most cases they are just poor communicators which leads to confusions and misinterpretations by the receivers. For me no one has said that the iMac 24 is not coming in the autumn and hence MCK prediction is still valid. We may see delays due to lack of components.

 

[DrRadon]

Some leakers are on purpose cryptic. In most cases they are just poor communicators which leads to confusions and misinterpretations by the receivers. For me no one has said that the iMac 24 is not coming in the autumn and hence MCK prediction is still valid. We may see delays due to lack of components.

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[applemanit]

I fully agree, besides that, I also think it is beautiful computer that you do not need to hide away, quite the contrary. Ironic that such as beautiful computer got the nickname "Trashcan".

I agree. I particularly like the trash can exterior design and the fact that's upgradable that's why I wanted to buy it, on the other hand, I do not want to regret the purchase if a new iMac is coming soon. 🤯

 

[AlexGraphicD]

Probably not wanting to kill current sales. Which wasn't an issue when they previewed the Mac Pro and iMac Pro.

Azrael.

Well, guess what. Since they announced new iMacs on the wwdc, I will be holding off purchasing an iMac at this time. And I’m sure a lot of people are waiting to upgrade when the new models come out.

And the more Apple plays these petty games, the more I will refuse to give them my money for the same old product that I already own and just be patient until the new models come out and see what they offer.

P.S. if I bought a new iMac right now, I would go for a iMP that has a very good deal. No way I’m buying the same iteration of imac for the 3rd time in a row just because it has a slightly better SSD or better cpu and graphics. It’s just not worth the upgrade for me.

 

[gusping]

Spot on, iPadified.

100% with you. This would be my dream mid range Mac.

But Apple can't get over themselves with their boutique pricing. I'd def' have bought one of these int eh £1250-£1500 price range.

Ironic. With the increased move to SoC and cooler running tech' it's a progressive design which does fine for the prosumer level which it should have been targeted at.

THIS is the mid=range headless 'mini-tower' we're looking for.

10900k plus a decent eg. 5700xt or 6600M RDNA2?

*opens wallet.

Azrael.

2013 Mac Pro style with decent components. Glorious! If that was announced this year (obviously won't happen), I would jump on that to tie me over until 3rd/4th gen AS SoCs.

 

[The_Lord_of_Apple]

If Apple can make their own cpu and gpu like they make the gold standard of Os (aka MacOS?) then we're in for a real treat... (and a *real* Mac 'Mini.' ...)

Apple doesn't have the track record any more of releasing flawless OS. Additionally, integrating your own hardware & software especially the first time on a new type of platform is no easy task (- yes I speak from experience). It is always riddled with problems that are not caught within lab testing. As with first-generation, the consumers are the testers.
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Next week is plausible in the same way that last week was plausible.

All these guys just copy of each other albeit delayed by minutes/hours/days just so that they have legitimacy. There was another new leaker pleading that the iMac was going to be released on a Monday, with another two products dropping on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Found it:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1286835887142313985

Here is another update from Komiya:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1286897696050012160

I don't know how much truth there is to it but perhaps erroneous dates are more to shake out the copycat leakers or they could be true. Who knows!!!

 

[xgman]

All these guys just copy of each other albeit delayed by minutes/hours/days just so that they have legitimacy. There was another new leaker pleading that the iMac was going to be released on a Monday, with another two products dropping on Tuesday and Wednesday.

I like this one below about next week. Might as well be one of us postulating: Reminds me of the TV psychics that keep blabbing till they actually hit on something by accident. "next week, I mean the week after next, I mean after that" geeze.

"I haven't been able to get a solid answer but it wouldn't exactly surprise me""

 

[Kjs100]

I like this one below about next week. Might as well be one of us postulating: Reminds me of the TV psychics that keep blabbing till they actually hit on something by accident. "next week, I mean the week after next, I mean after that" geeze.

"I haven't been able to get a solid answer but it wouldn't exactly surprise me""

I'm hearing from someone called John. I don't know anyone called John.

I'm hearing from an Alex. I don't know any Alex.

I'm hearing from a Mary. I've got a third cousin Mary.

Mary says be careful. £30 please.

 

[DrRadon]

Found it:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1286835887142313985

Here is another update from Komiya:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1286897696050012160

I don't know how much truth there is to it but perhaps erroneous dates are more to shake out the copycat leakers or they could be true. Who knows!!!

By now i have like four vague or exact "leaked" dates for iMac within the next three month. I suppose someone will be right as the options grow. ^^

At least monday would fit my "WWDC lasted till friday" lame excuse for next week rather than last weeks 30 days behind the keynote. I want to believe to much. Q_Q

Also, i cant reiterate enough how that "Apple rumors(leaks)" account seems to be the dirt worst of them all.

 

[Azrael9]

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Well, guess what. Since they announced new iMacs on the wwdc, I will hold off purchasing an iMac at this time. And I’m sure a lot of people are waiting to upgrade when the new models come out.

And the more Apple plays these petty games, the more I will refuse to give them my money for the same old product that I already own and just be patient until the new models come out and see what they offer.

P.S. if I bought a new iMac right now, I would go for a iMP that has a very good deal. No way I’m buying the same iteration of imac for the 3rd time just because it has a better SSD or better cpu and graphics. It’s just not worth the upgrade for me.

'Petty' - a good way to describe Apple's prices and upsell. And options.

From my consumer point of view, it seems designed to be obtuse.

The iMac Pro is old news. The ultimate Intel iMac was priced way overkill on the wallet. And now it's 3 years old. For anyone desperate enough to need one now...good 2nd prices can be pursued.

The AS transition can't come soon enough.

Anybody that can wait should wait. The best way of teaching Apple a lesson is to keep the wallet closed. I stopped viewing them with any sense of loyalty with the passing of Steve Jobs...and the i-stagnation, rampant price hikes and upsell nickle and diming of the Cook era.

Azrael.
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Bad value for money. Genius design with flawed demographic.

Same with the Mac Pro Cylinder. £2500 for a cul-de-sac of prosumer performance. Bad value for money. And the boutique pricing continued with no kb or mouse. Dreadful product skimping.

These were £1250-£1500 computers. And if you could buy an Apple display for £500 they'd make sense. Driving spend to £2k.

About where the iMac is give or take.

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

Intel iMac?

• Monday.
• 3 weeks.
• September?

Apple Silicon Mac?

• October 27th.

Azrael.

 

[Freida]

I think everyone is now playing the guessing game. All these leakers were wrong so far and now they are giving new dates. Its all a joke and I'm sure they will keep trying until they are correct and then everyone will praise them for being right. Hahahahhaha!

So lets give them hell

Intel iMac?

• Monday.
• 3 weeks.
• September?

Apple Silicon Mac?

• October 27th.

Azrael.

 

[satchmo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1286752894662967301

I wouldn’t be surprised if Komiya and Jioriku is the same person tweeting to himself.