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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%

  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%

  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%

  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%

  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%

  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%
  • Total voters
    822
  • Poll closed .
krell100 said:
Yeah don't see an ARM iMac coming along until mid next year. Apple will do ARM MacBook Air first, then MacBook, then iMac. In fact I'd suggest an ARM macMini will appear before ARM iMac (the Dev kit is already an ARM mini).

Those wanting an ARM iMac this year will be disappointed.
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Laptops by unit sales make the most sense. Tim Apple has already said an AS Mac will launch by the 'end' of this year.

I take that to mean laptops. With the desktop to follow early next year. As Apple likes to space out products, it seems.

From the Mini to iMac24 to Air laptop. Performance wise. Pretty much the same thing (if this marketing continues on AS14...) and theres no reason why they couldn't drop at the same time. But I'm sure Apple will draw out this transition from a marketing point of view to reassure and surprise customers and maintain the profile of what they are doing.

Azrael.
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As for the Mini. It's like the Mac Pro. Last I heard, it didn't do many unit sales.

I'd expect the AS to go in order of unit sales. Laptops. Then desktop iMacs...

Azrael.
 
Reaper0bot0 said:
I bought the base model 27" that just launched. Nothing I do with this machine, nothing I expect to do with this machine, is going to be diminished by the AS migration for years. I want the ability to dual boot with Windows, and I couldn't care less about larger bezels.

I fully expect this will wind up as a hand me down to my kids in three or four years when I get my next one. I've got a gaming rig for the heavy lifting. I just want something for office use, web browsing, light photo editing, and occasional light gaming in Windows 10. The screen's fantastic and I loved my last iMac.

I will confess, as a ginormous nerd, it feels strange buying the (likely) last Intel iMac but I'd rather have Windows than iOS apps on this particular machine. As long as I get, say, three MacOS updates I'll be satisfied.
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Dual Boot. That's the real value in it. A solid handful of years. You get a Mac. You get a PC.

Buying them separately with moderate spec would probably cost £1700 each.

As for iOS apps. That will show it's value to AS Macs. But for those that need Boot Camp. It's of no immediate value.

But for you have clearly defined your use case, you have your PC gaming rig for heavy lifting on games. And you have your iMac for light gaming and everything else.

Azrael.
 
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pldelisle said:
Nobody talks about iOS app on Apple Silicon Macs.
Yes it will be able to run native iOS ARM Apps, but not exclusively that. Full fledged Mac apps will still exists and more than ever on AS iMac
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iOS apps are going to be a 'GOOD THING' TM on AS Macs.

It will open Macs to tens of thousands of devs. Write once. Deploy once. It's seismic. Genius.

The Mac will never have had so many apps. Millions of apps working on the Mac. Just like that. BOOM.

It will provide the impetus for gaming to finally take off on Mac.

5 million Macs. 5 million A14 iPads. 10 million deployable units per quarter. And that's before you count A14 based iPhones.

Azrael.
 
Soulflower said:
Thanks. Good idea. Does it need to be SS?
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SSD=FAST.

I have a V-Nand SSD. 850 Evo. A Samsung.

Cost £70-ish at the time for 256 gig. (A couple of years ago...) You'll get more than that now for your money, though!

Probably £100 for a 1TB SSD. And some external drives are getting very fast. ie. Faster than the one I bought. So it pays to shop around.

Check out Amazon. Pick your drive size. Select a product. And then look at the comparative tables for that product compared to other products. It's a good way of seeing what spec your money will buy.

Azrael.
 
pldelisle said:
Nobody talks about iOS app on Apple Silicon Macs.
Yes it will be able to run native iOS ARM Apps, but not exclusively that. Full fledged Mac apps will still exists and more than ever on AS iMac
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Fully fledged apps will come. Yes. Apple are making it easier than ever to port to 'Mac.' As not withstanding.

The pressure of having millions of apps instantly compatible...

...and they can tweak their app to support the target resolution later.

And in time it will be just write and deploy.

Azrael.
 
Thinks will arive from most uninteresting to most interesting. xD
Just got the free AirPods, sort of interested in trying them out, but ebay also just offered me 5 listings without any (!) fees at all so... :)
RAM should drive soonish as well.
Gimmy my computer darnit! xD
 
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DrRadon said:
Thinks will arive from most uninteresting to most interesting. xD
Just got the free AirPods, sort of interested in trying them out, but ebay also just offered me 5 listings without any (!) fees at all so... :)
RAM should drive soonish as well.
Gimmy my computer darnit! xD
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Heh, heh...

Yes...was 'uninteresting to most interesting.' Brutal. Concise. But true. :p

Another week or so for that computer, Dr...

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fokmik said:
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Ka-BOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

Azrael.
 
motomotomoto said:
Is there anything known about what processors the first ARM Macs will use? Will they be same ones in the iPad Pro's? Sorry if this has been answered. Iv'e read back a few pages, but don't have the energy to ready 300 pages of comments at the moment. :p
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AS (Apple Silicon) 14.

Look at the WWDC2020 stream with mouth watering examples of what the user can expect. Actual use cases of PS, Maya, Games, Video, M$ Word/Excel etc. All handled with an A12z.

Bloomsberg leak. 50-100% better performance. (Depending on task.)

Emulation hit? 30%. So we can see, there is a chance AS Macs will perform Intel faster than Intel.

The A14X in the iPad (this Oct?) will be a monster. Giving a sneak preview of the AS 14 going into the MB13/MB Air.

Azrael.
 
fokmik said:
i already know, but i cant show...mac mini intel vs dev kit, and like i said in the past, its not only the perf diff..
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*looks at fokmik and smiles.*

Smooth as butter.

I only have to think of the A12z iPad.

And translate that 'user experience' to the Mac. Not that hard to imagine. Macs will be reforged.

Transformative. The marriage of software and hardware is there for us all to see.

Azrael.
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fokmik said:
i already know, but i cant show...mac mini intel vs dev kit, and like i said in the past, its not only the perf diff..
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This turned me on, Dr.Radon.

:p

Azrael.
 
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DrRadon said:
That turned me on.
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After some good years, yes, i am very very interesting with the future of macs, and about whats coming for us
I am convinced that Apple worked hard for this...even harder than they did for the last 2 gens of iphones
 
My RAM also arrived. I am ready. 126€ of ram just sitting in the stairwell somewhere, no doorbell ringing, no notification... living in the same house as a company that has people going in and out. Sigh... thats a bllet of problem solving dodged by finding it first.

Gave the AirPods a short run and decided to sell them. My cableEarPods for 12€ sound exactly the same, i´ll gladly take 100+€ and dispose of the convenience of having no cable in the rar moments were i actually use the tiny headphones over my overears.
 
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It is very interesting that by adding the T2 chip they did a complete (?) redesign of the internals. If this is the last intel iMac, why bother with so much effort and resources? Is there any chance that we are going to have more intel iMacs in the future? even rarely?

Of course one possibility is to obsolete any no T2 Macs in one move and only support the news ones in the later Mac OS 11 versions.

In general they do not redesign without a reason as they regularly leave a design untouched, internal or external, for many years.
 
filmak said:
It is very interesting that by adding the T2 chip they did a complete (?) redesign of the internals. If this is the last intel iMac, why bother with so much effort and resources? Is there any chance that we are going to have more intel iMacs in the future? even rarely?
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There were some leakers that suggested something that sounded as if they would bring the iMac ARM redesign to intel after it was presented with ARM first.
So MAYBE we get ARM on the 21 (or 24) inch iMac with a redesign and get another intel generation with the redesign on the bigger iMac. OR, but this would be VERY unapple, we might even get a generation that brings both Intel or ARM.
Or this is just the last one.
 
DrRadon said:
There were some leakers that suggested something that sounded as if they would bring the iMac ARM redesign to intel after it was presented with ARM first.
So MAYBE we get ARM on the 21 (or 24) inch iMac with a redesign and get another intel generation with the redesign on the bigger iMac. OR, but this would be VERY unapple, we might even get a generation that brings both Intel or ARM.
Or this is just the last one.
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Yes, everything is possible.
 
A german YouTube said that the nano texture glass makes the image softer than it dos on the XDR. So apparently this is lower quality (at half the price).
He also states the iMacPros internal speakers sound better. But i am using bose external or headphones anyway.
He is editing 6k50fps footage in real time via the internal SSD and claims that this would be very choppy via USB-Ceternal SSD. So adding some TB of internal space might actually be a futur-roving advantage unless you use 10gb ethernet to edit.
He dos some real world testing with 6k were the 2020 iMac renders fast than his iMac Pro. While his 2019 iMac (fusion drive mind, but specked out) takes about double.
Under Windows the 2020 iMac also outperforms the pro in 3DMark (Scores are: 6500 Pro, 7500 specked out 2020)
Playing games in UHD is no problem. No comment on fan noise though.

Conclusion, if you got a very old Mac, get it. If you got a recent Mac don't get it.
He barely mentioned ARM, wich i love him for because every other YouTube seems obligated to spend 1/3+ of their video on it.

For exact specs on his machines check the video, he has them written out on screen during the bechmark.
 
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I'm wondering about this nano glass. I do a ton of WFH now, which is quite a change, and have sensitive eyes (more so than the regular). I assumed that this would be less glare without the obvious matte/dulling effect with the cheaper filters. When they say "softer" in that review, is that code for a touch blurrier, or muted in the imagery? It's a bit of a balance, as I can appreciate less glare (annoyed at the glare on my iMac now in fact!), but not at the cost of a reduction in imagery quality or fidelity. Since we're all Apple enthusiasts, I'd imagine many of us can subscribe or relate to the perfectionist mindset. ;) Thanks!
 
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