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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
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Dave245

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I also get the feeling it's not a redesign, in which case count me out. It needs to adapt or die as far as I am concerned. It's desperately in need of a good shake up (slimmer bezels and maybe a thicker depth to allow for proper cooling).

It could well simply be a 10th gen CPU and SSD upgrade across the board. Can you imagine that after how long we've been waiting. I would laugh, and then cry for a few weeks.

I REALLY want a redesign! I’m still using my late 2012 iMac with Fusion drive, I don’t know how long it has left. However I won’t be buying unless there is a redesign or at least a bezel reduction.

The 2012 iMac has been a great desktop for me, one of my favourite Macs. But Apple need to give the iMac some love in the form of a redesign.
 

FrankySavvy

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In that case i'm guessing it's not a redesign, i can't see Apple announcing a complete redesign of the iMac without some sort of event (online at the moment). If there is a redesign i'm guessing WWDC at the earliest.

Maybe, but they did update the 16” MacBook Pro without an event. They could just refresh the design with smaller bezels, new display sizes, updated intervals.
 
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sublunar

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I also get the feeling it's not a redesign, in which case count me out. It needs to adapt or die as far as I am concerned. It's desperately in need of a good shake up (slimmer bezels and maybe a thicker depth to allow for proper cooling).

It could well simply be a 10th gen CPU and SSD upgrade across the board. Can you imagine that after how long we've been waiting. I would laugh, and then cry for a few weeks.

What if these MacBook Pros and iMacs were due for release in March and were delayed due to Corona virus?

Factory lines may not yet be fully up to speed.

They couldn't release them back then because there simply wasn't enough in the channel to sell. I notice the MacBook Air is now showing availability out to late May in the UK, with US showing 5-7 days or 1-2 weeks for BTO.
 

Dave245

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Maybe, but they did update the 16” MacBook Pro without an event. They could just refresh the design with smaller bezels, new display sizes, updated intervals.

That's true, I suppose with the current situation, they could decide to put them on the website for order and also upload a video to their Youtube page. Similar to what they did with the iPad Pro update, there were a couple of marketing videos to go along with the website refresh.

I would love for them to release a new iMac. Personally the design doesn't even have to change dramatically, just reduce the bezels and maybe the chin a little. The 5K display is great anyway (be better than my current late 2012 iMac screen anyway). And make SSD the standard.
 

askunk

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nobody needs a tower. What you were getting in a G3 tower as you said is now miniaturized in a Mac Mini.
Everybody needs a tower. Tower computers are cheaper to maintain even if you are not a power user. Try to see the difference between bringing an iMac to repair or a PC tower.
Sure, I’m getting a G3 tower with a Mac Mini, but it’s 2020...
 

pldelisle

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MacOS is not a strong platform for games, 3D software and many scientific softwares

I'm in the scientific community, and I've never been limited by anything. I'd even say it's far less limiting than Windows. I think the real limitations are in the CAD field, where not so many CAD softwares are available on Mac vs Windows. I especially think to electrical engineering softwares.

The lack now resides in the deprecation of OpenGL. Software dev of 3D programs/CAD/Medical imaging need to migrate toward Metal API for rendering everything OpenGL did. It will for sure be faster, smoother, more stable, but it's still a lot of work to do and a lot of money to spend to rewrite something that was previously working !
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Everybody needs a tower. Tower computers are cheaper to maintain even if you are not a power user. Try to see the difference between bringing an iMac to repair or a PC tower.
Sure, I’m getting a G3 tower with a Mac Mini, but it’s 2020...

I see your point. But the thing is, desktop PCs represent only a tiny percent of all computers sold right now. Would it be profitable for Apple ? I doubt :(
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gusping

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What if these MacBook Pros and iMacs were due for release in March and were delayed due to Corona virus?

Factory lines may not yet be fully up to speed.

They couldn't release them back then because there simply wasn't enough in the channel to sell. I notice the MacBook Air is now showing availability out to late May in the UK, with US showing 5-7 days or 1-2 weeks for BTO.
Good point. Surely it woultake too long to build up enough inventory for pre-orders/release? I can’t imagine iMacs having huge demand.

I just hope it’s before WWDC, but it could depend on upcoming software. If the iOS and Mac OS updates are substantial this year, they may want to release it before, to keep WWDC primarily software focused. Im just thinking out loud though. Who knows if this makes a difference.
 

askunk

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I see your point. But the thing is, desktop PCs represent only a tiny percent of all computers sold right now. Would it be profitable for Apple ? I doubt :(

many companies can make little profit or a loss over a product that justifies the existence of a whole range. See AMD recently with their Radeon7.
 

NYR99

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Late-2012 iMac user here... I am in desperate need of a new iMac. I installed an SSD and have 32GB of RAM, but this thing is so slow to even load modern websites like Reddit and Facebook, and is barely capable of running Lightroom.

If this rumored new one isn't a redesign, I think I may have to get a top spec Mac Mini, and a really good monitor.

The anticipation is killing me. I already have 5 grand saved up for a new iMac and iPhone 12 (I am still rocking the 7 Plus). This money is burning a hole in my pocket!
 
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Azrael9

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Everybody needs a tower. Tower computers are cheaper to maintain even if you are not a power user. Try to see the difference between bringing an iMac to repair or a PC tower.
Sure, I’m getting a G3 tower with a Mac Mini, but it’s 2020...

Well said.

Some valid points you make.

G3 tower vs Mac mini. CPU that stalls at a 6 core option? It has SSD. But it's soldered.

The Mini isn't fit to tie the G3 blue and white tower's shoe laces. And the G3 tower had terrific easy access to upgrade components.

Mac Mini has crap iG. But a trillion dollar company can't even put decent iG in it? Let alone dGPU?

To say they were going 'pro' with the Mac Mini. Underwhelming. It's bad value.

The latest AMD 8 core with superior iG...juicy. But I doubt we'll see anything like that in a Mac Mini any time soon.

The tower debate often comes up in the iMac threads for the simple reason many people want an upgradeable headless in it's price range like Apple useta. If they did, I'd buy one instead of the fried egg gpu iMac.

But it's more profitable to charge a fortune to fix 'obsolete' design at the Apple Stores.

Azrael.
 

pldelisle

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Late-2012 iMac user here... I am in desperate need of a new iMac. I installed an SSD and have 32GB of RAM, but this thing is so slow to even load modern websites like Reddit and Facebook, and is barely capable of running Lightroom.

If this rumored new one isn't a redesign, I think I may have to get a top spec Mac Mini, and a really good monitor.

The anticipation is killing me. I already have 5 grand saved up for a new iMac and iPhone 12 (I am still rocking the 7 Plus). This money is burning a hole in my pocket!

I have a Late-2013 MacBook Pro here. It's nowhere slow for anything even demanding things (data crunching). Software related problem maybe ?

Mac Mini has crap iG. But a trillion dollar company can't even put decent iG in it? Let alone dGPU?

No Intel SKU with anything better. Would require custom chips to be made. Costly.


The tower debate often comes up in the iMac threads for the simple reason many people want an upgradeable headless in it's price range like Apple useta. If they did, I'd buy one instead of the fried egg gpu iMac.

For sure, I'd do too. But very unlikely :(
 
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Azrael9

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Late-2012 iMac user here... I am in desperate need of a new iMac. I installed an SSD and have 32GB of RAM, but this thing is so slow to even load modern websites like Reddit and Facebook, and is barely capable of running Lightroom.

If this rumored new one isn't a redesign, I think I may have to get a top spec Mac Mini, and a really good monitor.

The anticipation is killing me. I already have 5 grand saved up for a new iMac and iPhone 12 (I am still rocking the 7 Plus). This money is burning a hole in my pocket!

Same here. Seems to be alot of us 2012 iMacs waiting on the upgrade from Apple.

As for Mini. Could be a great machine. It's merely adequate. But the price to get it to have decent graphics and access a monitor it's the best part of £2k+. I can see why many 'mid-tower' hopefuls or those that can't stomach the iMac 'includes screen' would buy it. My iMac has a perfectly good screen and hard drives and ram but the gpu is dead. What a waste. There go the eco credentials, Apple. If they made the Mini double height and included better cooling and a even a modest dGPU it would be a killer machine. There's no way I'm being upsold upto 5 or 6k just to access mid-range GPUs by Apple. They've got the beautiful Mac Pro chassis. Just lump in some i10 and decent GPU with the old 'trash can' £2500k price and they'd walk out the stores...(But I wouldn't stump up for the 'you're taking the 'pish' wheels.)

I've set my phaser to 'underwhelmed.'

Azrael.
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Redesign or not, according no Mark Gurman it will be a substantial update.

I hope so! :)

*fingers drum impatiently.

They already have a great design template with the Pro display. The vibe of releases so far this year is 'spec' bumps. The iMac is long overdue some design love.

Even if they kept the basic chassis the same but trimmed those huge bezels it would allow a decent bump in screen size to both 21 and 27 inchers. I always thought ditching the old 24 inch iMac screen size was a mistake.

If the Macbooks are a clue it will be SSD and CPU centred and 'meh-no' on the re-design.

But the iMac really needs a gpu boost for moving that 5k screen around, apps, rendering, streaming, gaming, pro-duction work.

They might FINALLY start offering 16 gigs of ram standard on 27 inch iMacs. 'Hope.'

Azrael.
 
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Freida

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If its just a speedbump I'm not getting anything Apple for a long time. I'm fed up with them promoting themselves as customer centric, innovators, "amazing things in the pipeline" and yet each year it gets worse and worse.

What has Apple truly done to warrant such high claims? Catalina disaster, Mac Pro amazing but insane wait time, Display great but exercise for the richest with $999 stand, keyboard disaster, touchbar nonsense, airpower etc.

Tim keeps saying the same and yet the products that come out are not that. Sure, there are some good ones but generally its hit and miss.

Latest iPad Pro is a good example - same chip with tiny improvements. iMac neglected for years with spinning drives that are so out of date thats not even funny.

Apple keynotes used to be exciting and I always looked forward for those but last few years it was one disappointment after another. Slofies, memoji etc. was on front whilst real products took the back seat.

It is truly disappointing to see Apple slacking so much. I'm not a fan of MS etc. but I really hope someone will truly replace Apple the same way as AMD did with Intel now. I guess that is truly one thing that could help Apple to wake up and not come up with wheels for $700.

Sorry for the rant but I just feel disappointed.

The AiO model from HP showed us what can really be put into that form and we can truly have powerful uptodate specs in that form. Unlike Apple which always gives you old tech (especially GPU).

Can we, customers, stop buying nonsensical products to show Apple that this is really not acceptable?
One can dream, right? :)

If it's just a speedbump I'll be forced to get a Mac Mini to tide me over till a decent redesign arrives :(
 

NYR99

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I have a Late-2013 MacBook Pro here. It's nowhere slow for anything even demanding things (data crunching). Software related problem maybe ?
It has to be something like that I think, but I have done full wipe and reinstall of MacOS, and it is still just as slow.
 

mindquest

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I have an iMac 27" late 2009 (max memory, SSD) beyond its last legs so while a redesign is nice I will take what ever they have to give!! I don't expect to get 11 years out of the new one, maybe 4 if I am lucky!
 

Azrael9

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If its just a speedbump I'm not getting anything Apple for a long time. I'm fed up with them promoting themselves as customer centric, innovators, "amazing things in the pipeline" and yet each year it gets worse and worse.

What has Apple truly done to warrant such high claims? Catalina disaster, Mac Pro amazing but insane wait time, Display great but exercise for the richest with $999 stand, keyboard disaster, touchbar nonsense, airpower etc.

Tim keeps saying the same and yet the products that come out are not that. Sure, there are some good ones but generally its hit and miss.

Latest iPad Pro is a good example - same chip with tiny improvements. iMac neglected for years with spinning drives that are so out of date thats not even funny.

Apple keynotes used to be exciting and I always looked forward for those but last few years it was one disappointment after another. Slofies, memoji etc. was on front whilst real products took the back seat.

It is truly disappointing to see Apple slacking so much
. I'm not a fan of MS etc. but I really hope someone will truly replace Apple the same way as AMD did with Intel now. I guess that is truly one thing that could help Apple to wake up and not come up with wheels for $700.

Sorry for the rant but I just feel disappointed.

The AiO model from HP showed us what can really be put into that form and we can truly have powerful uptodate specs in that form. Unlike Apple which always gives you old tech (especially GPU).

Can we, customers, stop buying nonsensical products to show Apple that this is really not acceptable?
One can dream, right? :)

Ah, Freida. Such eloquence.

I could have written it myself. ;)

A lamentable summation of where Apple are.

To sheepishly move on past the 'cough spluttering silence' of the £1k stand announcement on screen...(before the riot broke out...)

I'll give props to HP. Anyone that hasn't wandered around their online store of late should do so. They've turned things around greatly since their u-turn on exiting the PC business. Their design is really coming along a treat and they're not the only PC vendor to do so. Apple's desktop design has become quite safe and stale by comparison. Apple isn't being run by a CEO that is *NOT* a product guy.

I do have to give Cook's Apple some credit on the Mac Pro design (and the Apple Watch), however, the price is stupifying when the old 'Mac Pro' cost £2.5k. And they only seemed to do this with the overwhelming lash they got from the Mac creative community. They've doubled the price and added £1k. They're out of touch with reality. Yes. We know the old G3 towers also cost a 'bit more' than the PC tower comparison. They certainly show what IS possible to include in the AiO design for £3k. Lovely 32 inch 4k screen, potent gpu in it, 8 cores, plenty of ram and a decent SSD! If it ran Mac OS? That's the machine I'd buy from an 'iMac' point of view.

Yes, Cook can talk about products in the pipeline but many of them are evolutionary re-hashes.

It's a sentiment I share. I truly do miss Steve Jobs giving the sermon to the Mac faithful. I miss him greatly.

The Apple I wish and hope for is merely that. 'A dream.' My feelings about them have definitely been separated post Jobs.

In the last shareholder meeting...Cook said Apple gives customers the best product for the best price.

I don't think the current iMac, the entry level iMac (with ancient hard drive), the prices Apple charge now for these desktops and what they USED to charge for iMacs rings true. Apple used to see the Mac Mini with dGPU and boast about that fact. The Mac Pro *used* to be accessible to the broader creative community.

So...a 'substantial' iMac update with a design makeover would be a great tonic right about 'now.'

Azrael.
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I have an iMac 27" late 2009 (max memory, SSD) beyond its last legs so while a redesign is nice I will take what ever they have to give!! I don't expect to get 11 years out of the new one, maybe 4 if I am lucky!

11 years? You've done well there. Impressive.

Azrael.
 

mindquest

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From Prosser today, hopefully that means we will see a new iMac soon!

Heads up: There’s still an iMac and AirPods ready to ship. (Not sure which AirPods yet, only know codename)

Theoretically, since they’re ready, they could drop at any time.

I’ll let you know if/when I hear a date.

Let’s see if Apple can keep it a secret from me ??

 

Tekguy0

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Mac Mini has crap iG. But a trillion dollar company can't even put decent iG in it? Let alone dGPU?

To say they were going 'pro' with the Mac Mini. Underwhelming. It's bad value.
If they put good integrated graphics in, they would have to switch to a mobile CPU, as intel has not ported Iris to the desktop recently. And people who need GPU performance can use the Sonnet box or the Blackmagic box, or perhaps would be better off with an iMac. And they did go 'pro,' because you can get it with 10Gbe, and loads of RAM, paired to a powerful 6-core.
 
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