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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
    822
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DrRadon

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I really don't understand why you have so much difficulty. You are probably the one in a million lol.

It's steve jobs ghost haunting me in the system because i expressed no immediate desire to buy a apple silicone mac.

Apple support now told me that they send that money back to my account well over a week ago (because delivery time is so long, did they know back than?!). But since it's not in my account they can't block money for my "new" order.
Fun fact. I have neither been informed about this cancelation, reordering OR re billing by the system via E-Mail or SMS. I would not even know this was going on if i was not obsessively refreshing my devilry status.

They told me i need to talk to my bank. Since it's well past seven here my bank has shut down phone support for over two hours by now so nothing will move till tomorrow morning. So check back here in 12+ hours to see me banging my head against the wall after the bank tells me they know pants and will take a week to resolve this.

Apple be like "to deliver one iMac to you we need to block out twice it's price on your CC, lol!"
 

Freida

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I thought you were going with local reseller that was meant to be super nice to you. What have I missed since I was away?


It's steve jobs ghost haunting me in the system because i expressed no immediate desire to buy a apple silicone mac.

Apple support now told me that they send that money back to my account well over a week ago (because delivery time is so long, did they know back than?!). But since it's not in my account they can't block money for my "new" order.
Fun fact. I have neither been informed about this cancelation, reordering OR re billing by the system via E-Mail or SMS. I would not even know this was going on if i was not obsessively refreshing my devilry status.

They told me i need to talk to my bank. Since it's well past seven here my bank has shut down phone support for over two hours by now so nothing will move till tomorrow morning. So check back here in 12+ hours to see me banging my head against the wall after the bank tells me they know pants and will take a week to resolve this.

Apple be like "to deliver one iMac to you we need to block out twice it's price on your CC, lol!"
 
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rkuo

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I used to play Overwatch extensively on my 2017 5K with the i7 and RX 580 at 1440 with High Graphics settings and fan noise was not too bad. It definitely was not running the fans at full RPM and I did not have to run the sound at high volumes to compensate.
I run at Overwatch 5K on a system with a Vega FE with 50% scaling at 122 fps capped with some tuned but generally mid to high settings. That makes the fans kick in. 60fps should be a cake walk.
 

DrRadon

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Another fun fact.
In the Apple Store Apps it outright claims that "YOU have canceled this order."

Thats how they do it all the time if a order is delayed? Tell me more please. They better give me that 10% store credit and do not put it on a timer.
 

Homy

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Another fun fact.
In the Apple Store Apps it outright claims that "YOU have canceled this order."

Thats how they do it all the time if a order is delayed? Tell me more please. They better give me that 10% store credit and do not put it on a timer.
Now that they have canceled and you have to make a new order you maybe can use the 10% discount on your iMac itself? Make sure you get the discount first so you can put it on your iMac if possible. :)
 

DrRadon

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Now that they have canceled and you have to make a new order you maybe can use the 10% discount on your iMac itself? Make sure you get the discount first so you can put it on your iMac if possible. :)

No, they were very clear they can't change anything about this oder because it would bump me back. They also claimed they would all be the same team and no one in a higher support area would have more power (wich, of cause, we all know, is not true... if you ever made it to third level support you know).


At least now, half a day later, they have the decency to update me that my order has not been payed, with the thread of canceling it if i don't pay in 7 days. You know what should have happened pithing 7 days? My iMac, wich i already payed for, should have been here.
 

Whiteman007

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No, they were very clear they can't change anything about this oder because it would bump me back. They also claimed they would all be the same team and no one in a higher support area would have more power (wich, of cause, we all know, is not true... if you ever made it to third level support you know).


At least now, half a day later, they have the decency to update me that my order has not been payed, with the thread of canceling it if i don't pay in 7 days. You know what should have happened pithing 7 days? My iMac, wich i already payed for, should have been here.

Who did you order through?
 

krazzix

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I've noticed a few little glitches every now and then with the screen, just little break ups, sometimes when window is moved and only effects a small part of the screen. Hasn't happened lots, but seen it maybe 5-6 times and happened again today, have the 5700 XT 16 in there??
Same here
 
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Freida

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I don't know the full story but even students get around 14% or so discount + apple care super cheap so try to demand something better than just 10%. If they really messed up then they should be able to compensate better.
Good luck buddy. Hope you get it sorted soon.

 
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DQ11

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How did you have the strength and patience, I'm jealous of your resilience, I can barely cope with my late 2012 iMac, I hoped I could hold off for Apple Silicon but I just bought iMac.
Battery Died in 2011...Had to use it plugged into the wall 100% of the time...lol

I haven't made music with it in a couple years but I checked 2 months ago and it still runs fine....I only ever used it for making music so it did what I needed to when I was learning on it, but I eventually outgrew what it could do....I just didn't have the money to upgrade for years....and years....and years.

* This imac will also be 100% for making music and I'm waiting for the 3080/3090 graphics cards to then build a PC for gaming.

Honestly....trying to make music on that thing and not being able to got me depressed for a while and I just quit....it sucked. Once I was in a better position to afford it I knew I wanted to pursue making music again mI got re-inspired and started saving.

This is literally like Christmas 10x! lol
 
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DQ11

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Are you in Europe to?
Since i ordered express shipping i always assumed we will be in the same batch and i will just get it 1-3 days earlier.
So with me not expecting delivery in Germany today and the shipping process not even having begun in my Apple order tracker (as in, i don't think this will arrive tomorrow or even Wednesday) i would not get my hopes up for this week if i were you. Because if it's +3 days for you without no express shipping this is looking mighty 24th or later for you (24th being the final day for me according to the tracker).
But then i also ordered a day later than you sooooo....
I'm in the U.S. & I didn't do express shipping so I'm thinking I probably won't get it until the 27th......I've waited years for this thing...I can wait a few more days. :)

Hopefully you and everyone else gets theirs soon though.
 

DrRadon

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The fun continues.

My Bank claims it's Apples fault the money of the now canceled order has not been released. Apple has to open that up authorized amount back up so it can be used in the "new" order. If they don't collect or release the money i will have it back in my account in 30 days. To bad Apple wants "the money" in at least 7 days, so i can get my computer that already should have been shipped.

Now Apple claims they already did that. I was really hard on them so they did more than just trying to press the "collect payment button" over and over again and even ended up in ireland talking to english support instead german support. Now that guy gave apples authorization number to release the money in my bank account and now i am waiting on a response from my bank if they will release my money with the code (i supose) apple should have used to release my money.

I can't believe this sh*t.

They better give me that full 10% store credit without a hassle once that machine is here.
 

Azrael9

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I used to play Overwatch extensively on my 2017 5K with the i7 and RX 580 at 1440 with High Graphics settings and fan noise was not too bad. It definitely was not running the fans at full RPM and I did not have to run the sound at high volumes to compensate.

The RX580 is a decent gpu.

Blizzard have been a stalwart of the Mac platform. Fair play for that. They have to make their games perform for most people on Mac and PC. So having playable fps across all gpu hardware makes sense.

Azrael.
 

Azrael9

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The fun continues.

My Bank claims it's Apples fault the money of the now canceled order has not been released. Apple has to open that up authorized amount back up so it can be used in the "new" order. If they don't collect or release the money i will have it back in my account in 30 days. To bad Apple wants "the money" in at least 7 days, so i can get my computer that already should have been shipped.

Now Apple claims they already did that. I was really hard on them so they did more than just trying to press the "collect payment button" over and over again and even ended up in ireland talking to english support instead german support. Now that guy gave apples authorization number to release the money in my bank account and now i am waiting on a response from my bank if they will release my money with the code (i supose) apple should have used to release my money.

I can't believe this sh*t.

They better give me that full 10% store credit without a hassle once that machine is here.

Dreadful experience. Not fun. Shame your anticipation has been frustrated by this. Keep us updated.

I had an initial problem with the bank flagging the amount. Apple said this wasn't uncommon. Had a word with the bank. Apple did say they'd keep trying for the money unto 5-ish more days so that it wasn't an issue and wouldn't affect the order before then.

Azrael.
 

Azrael9

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I've noticed a few little glitches every now and then with the screen, just little break ups, sometimes when window is moved and only effects a small part of the screen. Hasn't happened lots, but seen it maybe 5-6 times and happened again today, have the 5700 XT 16 in there??

Interesting. The occasional glitch (Momentarily...), yes. Not lots. But I noticed that.

Azrael.
 

Azrael9

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But do you think it is at all possible that imp (maybe even along with the rumored 24) will see a redesign before the regular imac? I guess it's possible if they are revamping the display.

Erm.

No new design for it.

RDNA2. Maybe new display tech' eg LED.

A quiet update...late this year (Nov? Or early next if the LED isn't ready until then...?)

Azrael.
 

Azrael9

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Hello my friend,

can I please ask you to share what you've found out so far? ie. Fan noise, performance in Maya/games. etc.?

As you have config close that what I'm thinking :)

You got the 10 core, right?

Anything will help so thank you in advance. And if I missed it and its been said then I'm sorry. I was in Vancouver so I wasn't reading much :)

Hello Freida :)

I'm prepared to put this iMac against the wall to face the 'Firing Squad.' And I've run Blender, Cinebench, Black Magic and Unigine stress tests so far.

Here's 'how it is.'

Blender 3D.

Fan Noise. It exists running x successive Blender 3D (a Maya style stress test...) render. But it's the machine is blazing FAST and the render is QUALITY.

Cinebench.

As a comparative? It's just behind the last gen 16 core Threadripper. That IS impressive. 10 cores utilised. The noise was 'less' so on Cinebench. ie. Much quieter (relative to the Sun...)

Unigine.

For when Frieda relaxes after doing her 3D work..? It completely owns HD and 2440p. Burying the iMac's 60hz frame rate. And yes, this is on ULTRA settings. Performance that would make a lot of mainstream PC towers blink. And its in a 'thin' (as my PC gamer friend called it...) enclosure. He was 'chuffed' that I got this machine as he knew I'd been waiting long time. (He knows my moans about Apple and gpus...). FPS? 68 on ultra 2440p. HD? 100fps. Easy. Ultra ez! I'm stunned. This bench (since time began...) crushed consumer gpu Macs.

But Freida, as mother always says..., there is a 'price to pay.' And that is? The fans are at their loudest on the Blender test. Lower on the Cinebench...test and quieter still on the Unigine. So it says to me the cpu gets quite hot. The gpu is down clocked and is under great check for efficiency.

I can't say conclusively for all 3D rendering. (See anthony13's posts...on Vectorworks...and that new 3D app he has discovered.). Some benches may tax it less or be more software efficient.

I did get the 10 core. 5700XT 16 gigs of VRAM. My ram (32 gigs 2x16 gigs of Crucial RAM) arriving tomorrow or day after.

What we have on the top tier 3 iMac is a machine that generally performs better than the iMac Pro for 50-60% less (as I predicted.)

...and if you want a machine to run Maya? This is it. No question.

For you the 10 core and 5700XT 16 gigs of VRAM with a 1TB SSD? Will do everything you want from a Maya work perspective.

SSD.

Black Magic. 2700. 2500. Read. Write. Whiplash speed! Boots fast. Moves files fast.

Conclusion.

Great performance. Intel and AMD have taken steps to make this performance more efficient.

But the fly in the ointment of this 'great' legacy iMac (the finest and best performer and more value ridden yet...) is that Apple didn't take the chance to use the spare space to put better cooling on there. A real shame.

But? Two of the following I used to consider weaknesses of the iMac range. 3d and Gaming.

It can 3D. (10 cores! What those render times fall. COAR blimey)
It can video. (Some great x2-x3 perf' numbers from AMD's codec VCN 1.0...)
It CAN game. (That GPU. How DID they do that? PHWOAR!!!)

A worthy purchase. (Any AS large screen iMac is about a year away.). Slapping the iMac Pro and Mac Pro for fun at orders of magnitude less pricey.

Power. Performance. Value? What the hell is going on Apple?

For £3400. I get a £1300 LG 5k display. A 5700 XT with 16 gigs. And? A ten 10 cpu! And a turbo charged 1TB SSD. And ? IT doubles as the same for a 'free' PC.

Azrael.
 
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Freida

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Thank you so much!

I would love to know what is more quiet? Is it the 10 core running at lower frequency or the 8 core as it has less cores?

The performance gain for me is not worth the extra money as I would rather invest that in the nano display (i really hate the glossy reflections) and/or more SSD storage. However, if the 10 core is quieter than the 8 core then I would be happy to throw the extra cash. I find the noise distracting (don't mind it in games as I wear headphones) but when I need to focus I need quiet place :D

Also, anyone seen differences between 5700 and 5700XT? That would be good to see also as I might be ok with just the 5700 if the difference is not that massive.

So yeah, for me to know what to get I would like to know the noise/heat levels of 8 vs 10 cores AND performance gains of 5700XT over 5700. The rest is straight forward :)

Thank you for your time :)


Hello Freida :)

I'm prepared to put this iMac against the wall to face the 'Firing Squad.' And I've run Blender, Cinebench, Black Magic and Unigine stress tests so far.

Here's 'how it is.'

Blender 3D.

Fan Noise. It exists running x successive Blender 3D (a Maya style stress test...) render. But it's the machine is blazing FAST and the render is QUALITY.

Cinebench.

As a comparative? It's just behind the last gen 16 core Threadripper. That IS impressive. 10 cores utilised. The noise was 'less' so on Cinebench. ie. Much quieter (relative to the Sun...)

Unigine.

For when Frieda relaxes after doing her 3D work..? It completely owns HD and 2440p. Burying the iMac's 60hz frame rate. And yes, this is on ULTRA settings. Performance that would make a lot of mainstream PC towers blink. And its in a 'thin' (as my PC gamer friend called it...) enclosure. He was 'chuffed' that I got this machine as he knew I'd been waiting long time. (He knows my moans about Apple and gpus...). FPS? 68 on ultra 2440p. HD? 100fps. Easy. Ultra ez! I'm stunned. This bench (since time began...) crushed consumer gpu Macs.

But Freida, as mother always says..., there is a 'price to pay.' And that is? The fans are at their loudest on the Blender test. Lower on the Cinebench...test and quieter still on the Unigine. So it says to me the cpu gets quite hot. The gpu is down clocked and is under great check for efficiency.

I can't say conclusively for all 3D rendering. (See anthony13's posts...on Vectorworks...and that new 3D app he has discovered.). Some benches may tax it less or be more software efficient.

I did get the 10 core. 5700XT 16 gigs of VRAM. My ram (32 gigs 2x16 gigs of Crucial RAM) arriving tomorrow or day after.

What we have on the top tier 3 iMac is a machine that generally performs better than the iMac Pro for 50-60% less (as I predicted.)

...and if you want a machine to run Maya? This is it. No question.

For you the 10 core and 5700XT 16 gigs of VRAM with a 1TB SSD? Will do everything you want from a Maya work perspective.

SSD.

Black Magic. 2700. 2500. Read. Write. Whiplash speed! Boots fast. Moves files fast.

Conclusion.

Great performance. Intel and AMD have taken steps to make this performance more efficient.

But the fly in the ointment of this 'great' legacy iMac (the finest and best performer and more value ridden yet...) is that Apple didn't take the chance to use the spare space to put better cooling on there. A real shame.

But? Two of the following I used to consider weaknesses of the iMac range. 3d and Gaming.

It can 3D. (10 cores! What those render times fall. COAR blimey)
It can video. (Some great x2-x3 perf' numbers from AMD's codec VCN 1.0...)
It CAN game. (That GPU. How DID they do that? PHWOAR!!!)

A worthy purchase. (Any AS large screen iMac is about a year away.). Slapping the iMac Pro and Mac Pro for fun at orders of magnitude less pricey.

Power. Performance. Value? What the hell is going on Apple?

For £3400. I get a £1300 LG 5k display. A 5700 XT with 16 gigs. And? A ten 10 cpu! And a turbo charged 1TB SSD. And ? IT doubles as the same for a 'free' PC.

Azrael.
 

Azrael9

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Blizzard fans.

I managed (before 'flakey' Battle Net threw me off...still the same old, eh?) to log into one of my sub-L20 alts on my WoW dormant account. I made the cardinal sin of trying to max out the Game setting to L10...

Maybe my ram needs to be higher...(!). Only 8 gigs. More RAM and in the Right Slots = moAR perf'.

And? (What's it say....what's it say...?)

Great news.

At 1440p? This rig buries 1440p on L5 WoW settings.

This is a balance of great gpu quality and smooth as butter online play.

(Don't tease, Az'...give us the bladddy numbers, mate! Don't worry, you won't catch me taking for 5 mins in a video before I get to my iMac benches...)

WoW. Graphic L5.

FPS. 100(!)


For way of comparison. My old iMac was hovering around 45-54 variable fps in Legion.

You want to play Blizzard games no sweat? This machine is it.

API. Was Metal of course.

Azrael.
 
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Freida

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Exciting. I only play Warcraft 3 Reforged which I assume is even less demanding but my 2017MBP can't really keep up with most settings on high so I switch everything to classic and that is fine. (it could also be the fact that I have 24" monitor extra so the laptop drives this as main monitor + its own internal one so could be a factor also.
Still, 2017 MBP can't really do Reforged graphics so this is good news.


Blizzard fans.

I managed (before 'flakey' Battle Net threw me off...still the same old, eh?) to log into one of my sub-L20 alts on my WoW dormant account. I made the cardinal sin of trying to max out the Game setting to L10...

Maybe my ram needs to be higher...(!). Only 8 gigs. More RAM and in the Right Slots = moAR perf'.

And? (What's it say....what's it say...?)

Great news.

At 2440p? This rig buries 2440p on L5 WoW settings.

This is a balance of great gpu quality and smooth as butter online play.

(Don't tease, Az'...give us the bladddy numbers, mate! Don't worry, you won't catch me taking for 5 mins in a video before I get to my iMac benches...)

WoW. Graphic L5.

FPS. 100(!)


For way of comparison. My old iMac was hovering around 45-54 variable fps in Legion.

You want to play Blizzard games no sweat? This machine is it.

API. Was Metal of course.

Azrael.
 

Azrael9

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Thank you so much!

I would love to know what is more quiet? Is it the 10 core running at lower frequency or the 8 core as it has less cores?

The performance gain for me is not worth the extra money as I would rather invest that in the nano display (i really hate the glossy reflections) and/or more SSD storage. However, if the 10 core is quieter than the 8 core then I would be happy to throw the extra cash. I find the noise distracting (don't mind it in games as I wear headphones) but when I need to focus I need quiet place :D

Also, anyone seen differences between 5700 and 5700XT? That would be good to see also as I might be ok with just the 5700 if the difference is not that massive.

So yeah, for me to know what to get I would like to know the noise/heat levels of 8 vs 10 cores AND performance gains of 5700XT over 5700. The rest is straight forward :)

Thank you for your time :)

There will be 'noise'. They just haven't put the iMac Pro cooling in there. They should have.

It's a question of how sensitive each user is to this. (I can hear high pitched whines from TVs...)

I found the Blender fan noise irritating. But I won't be doing renders ALL the time ALL day. So I could cope for a few mins.

For general 3D modelling? Shouldn't be an issue on ZBrush, Blender3D.

If 3D renders is what you do all day. The iMac Pro would be a better investment if you sensitive ears. And that update may drop Nov or more likely, when the LED is ready for it next year.

If you're modelling all day with the occasional render? Non-issue.

The iMac Pro. ...it will cost a lot more than this.

The 8 core with Nano would be more than good. The 5700 8 gig. More than enough.

...and cost far less.

It's just a case of where you want to put your money. It's real technical achievement that this machine is THIS powerful.

Nano glass, 8 core and even a 5500XT will be more than enough for Maya work.

Azrael.
 
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Exciting. I only play Warcraft 3 Reforged which I assume is even less demanding but my 2017MBP can't really keep up with most settings on high so I switch everything to classic and that is fine. (it could also be the fact that I have 24" monitor extra so the laptop drives this as main monitor + its own internal one so could be a factor also.
Still, 2017 MBP can't really do Reforged graphics so this is good news.

Is that 'Legacy' WoW (old WoW Vanilla) style game? For fans of the 'early' game? Nostramus had a 1 million player base before they went to the table to talk it over with Blizzard. Fan base really seemed to demand a server just for the 'old' game.

Anybody that wants to WoW. This iMac will blow WoW away. I could say that about my old rig.

Azrael.
 
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