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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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That's the thing with TBDR. Because of its efficiency it doesn't need as much memory bandwidth as IMR. "It drastically saves on memory bandwidth because of the unified memory architecture". Here are two other articles that explain the details more:
Tailor Your Apps for Apple GPUs and Tile-Based Deferred Rendering | Apple Developer Documentation
Learn about characteristic Apple GPU features, including imageblocks, tile shaders, and raster order groups.developer.apple.com
WWDC20 – What’s new in Metal and the Apple GPU
WWDC20 has been an event of major changes. All operating systems had significant design changes. The new macOS named Big Sur is now version 11. The biggest announcemen…metalkit.org
Yes, PS5 and Xbox X use SoC GPUs. Xbox with 52 CUs at 12 TFLOPs and PS5 with 36 CUs at 10 TFLOPS. This is a good sign. If they (AMD) can make such powerful GPUs then Apple should also be able to do so for its desktop computers like iMac.
Good link, Homy.
I did catch the word 'Ray Tracer' on that Metal link!
And my initial impression (without reading it word for word...) is that?
Efficiency in loading/system memory/processing/not over drawing etc.
Ie. Instead of stuffing the pipes with brute force they're using a bit of 'due process' and efficiency to optimise performance from the resources at hand.
In reality, it doesn't have to be a 2080Ti. But if it has the raw power of a 2060 and can punch above its weight and be hardware threaded to user task eg. games, video, rendering task.
(I did notice it said a mixing compute in there to further improve performance...)
Then we might get that 'svelte' iPad style experience where everything is super smooth feeling.
Can't wait to see the 1st AS Mac systems.
Azrael.
If Apple releases the AS Macbook/Pro this year then that will be interesting to see. Who knows we might end up seeing multiple AS processors inside the Mac Pro.
The Apple stock splitting couldn't have come at a better time. Time to buy some stocks to fund the future AS Mac Pro for me.
Nah, DHL Express just put down the delivery date in tracking as if the iMac was already in the Netherlands. My Apple contact told me Apple is expecting the iMac to arrive earliest on 28th and latest 31th of August. So just another bit of confusion. So as of now it's Friday at it's earliest. Sigh. Should not have gotten my hopes up. But well, this at least stayed in the realm of what Apple "announced" after the debacle had happened.
In other news. I just got final color 2.0 last night and it is an amazing plugin for Final Cut. Super exited to get a computer that can actually handle the video that i provide to the program. xD
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It will most likely get there friday or maybe even thursday. From my experience The delivery dates are often just to be safe. I almost always get delivery a day earlier.
Anyway, sounds like this week will be the time to get some relief and joy finally.
Did you get good compensation for the mess?
Anyway, sounds like this week will be the time to get some relief and joy finally.
Did you get good compensation for the mess?
Yes. The frustration of waiting.
In the meantime, tell me about 'Final Colour 2.0'. (Does it grade/tint/filter colour to certain movie styles? Sepia? Cool New York blues etc?
I'm thinking about buying Final Cut Pro. See if I can use it for some comic book style presentation work. I'd sure like to test the new rig with rendering out video.
Looking forward, you can be super excited to get this new rig, Dr. It's not lacking in power. And the new VCN codecs AMD included with RDNA1 gpus means you'll have a machine that can kick az' rendering video.
It will come. You'll have the pleasure of performing the iMac striptease. (I sent unboxing photos of my iMac to a friend who requested them...)
Azrael.
Deutsh is soooooo freaking funny to hear when you don't understand a freaking word ????? Tooo many OHnnzzk Khaaa ahahah
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Azrael, check the todays update of iMovie, if you use iMovie or want to, they have introduced five new filters (sepia, comic, vintage etc), I do not know if it will work for your needs but you can test it.
From what i understand iMovie just got a comic style render with it's updated today.
Even though I don't understand German, it was still fun to watch this guy hack together something. I'm surprised noone has made a third party iMac rear shell, that is more rectangular and more voluminous.
I think the major point one could miss is that he needs a MacBook starting 2016 because something was weird with how the older ones were set up. The rest seems astoundingly easy.
I would call you out to do it. I suppose case modding is nothing apple could hunt you down for. But i guess with ARM and the redesign you missed your chance to be a millionaire by around five years.
I would call you out to do it. I suppose case modding is nothing apple could hunt you down for. But i guess with ARM and the redesign you missed your chance to be a millionaire by around five years.
lol!!! I never thought it like that... but once Apple split's its stock, there could be a chance to be a millionaire.
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I'm no expert either but TBDR relies on pixel shader effects but its weakness is high polygon counts: "Any game developer looking to put out a successful title is going to make sure it runs well on iOS hardware. Game developers will likely rely on increasing visual quality through pixel shader effects rather than ultra high polygon counts."
"Immediate mode renderers (IMRs) brute force the problem of determining what to draw on the screen. They take polygons as they receive them from the CPU, manipulate and shade them. The biggest problem here is although data for every polygon is sent to the GPU, some of those polygons will never be displayed on the screen. A character with thousands of polygons may be mostly hiding behind a pillar, but a traditional immediate mode renderer will still put in all of the work necessary to plot its geometry and shade its pixels, even though they'll never be seen. This is called overdraw. Overdraw unfortunately wastes time, memory bandwidth and power - hardly desirable when you're trying to deliver high performance and long battery life. Immediate mode renderers work in a very straightforward manner. They take vertices, create polygons, transform and light those polygons and finally texture/shade/blend the pixels on them.
Tile based deferred renderers take a slightly different approach. TBDRs subdivide the scene into smaller tiles on the order of a few hundred pixels. Vertex processing and shading continue as normal, but before rasterization the scene is carved up into tiles. This is where the deferred label comes in. Rasterization is deferred until after tiling and texturing/shading is deferred even longer, until after overdraw is eliminated/minimized via hidden surface removal (HSR). Hidden surface removal is performed long before we ever get to the texturing/shading stage. If the frontmost surface being rendered is opaque, there's absolutely zero overdraw in a TBDR architecture. Everything behind the frontmost opaque surface is discarded by performing a per-pixel depth test once the scene has been tiled. In the event of multiple overlapping translucent surfaces, overdraw is still minimized. Only surfaces above the farthest opaque surface are rendered. HSR is performed one tile at a time, only the geometry needed for a single tile is depth tested to keep the problem manageable.
With all hidden surfaces removed then, and only then, is all texture data fetched and all pixel shader code executed. Rendering (or more precisely texturing and shading) is deferred until after a per-pixel visibility test is passed. No additional work is expended and no memory bandwidth wasted. Only what is visible in the final scene is rasterized, textured and shaded on each tile. The application doesn't need to worry about the order polygons are sent for rendering when dealing with a TBDR, the hidden surface removal process takes care of everything. In memory bandwidth constrained environments TBDRs do incredibly well. Furthermore, the efficiencies of a TBDR really shine when running applications and games that are more shader heavy rather than geometry heavy. As a result of the extensive hidden surface removal process, TBDRs tend not to do as well in scenes with lots of complex geometry."
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Yes, I know, but I don't know why you feel you have to inform me like I've said otherwise?
Has the question heading he thread been answered? Technically, we could continue this thread until the AS iMac arrives which by all likelihood will be redesigned. I guessed for Q3 as I assumed a redesigned Intel iMac so I will be wrong in the poll. That AS through a spanner in the prediction machine...
There is nearly complete silence about AS Macs. As we have learned here, Twitter leakers are less reliable than tossing a coin so only a few predictions from e.g Kou exists.Although the current 27 inch is very tempting, I am waiting for the ASi 24 inch and hope for a Christmas present for my self. Configurability regarding RAM and storage will be intersting. Will we get 4Tb SSD and 64 GB RAM options? It will also be interesting if it beats the i7 or i9 in the current iMac and not the least how powerful will the GPU be?
When will Bug Sur be released? October?
There is nearly complete silence about AS Macs. As we have learned here, Twitter leakers are less reliable than tossing a coin so only a few predictions from e.g Kou exists.Although the current 27 inch is very tempting, I am waiting for the ASi 24 inch and hope for a Christmas present for my self. Configurability regarding RAM and storage will be intersting. Will we get 4Tb SSD and 64 GB RAM options? It will also be interesting if it beats the i7 or i9 in the current iMac and not the least how powerful will the GPU be?
When will Bug Sur be released? October?
Usually OSX/MacOS version switch is late september/early october.
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Azrael, check the todays update of iMovie, if you use iMovie or want to, they have introduced five new filters (sepia, comic, vintage etc), I do not know if it will work for your needs but you can test it.
Excellent! That's what I want to hear!!
Ty.
Azrael.
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Cheers, Dr.!!
Azrael.
So it seems it will be with Apple Silicon that we see a redesign. I have suggested previously on Mac Rumors (maybe even in this thread) that instead of an arc to the back, there should be a step in the back. The new AOC U32U1 monitor has a similar layout to illustrate my point. The box on the back may need to be bigger to allow for a full computer, but the format would still work.
I didn't think of having the box separate, but it creates some interesting opportunities. The monitor has height adjustment hidden between the box and screen, which would work well on an iMac. It would also allow for more cooling opportunities with the channel between the box and screen. Plus screen and computer repairs would be much easier. Perhaps they could even include a VESA mount so you can add your own screen.
I didn't think of having the box separate, but it creates some interesting opportunities. The monitor has height adjustment hidden between the box and screen, which would work well on an iMac. It would also allow for more cooling opportunities with the channel between the box and screen. Plus screen and computer repairs would be much easier. Perhaps they could even include a VESA mount so you can add your own screen.