Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[fireguy286]

For all of you folks who have ordered and your computer has shipped or been received, when did they actually charge you for the purchase? Do you know if you use paypal or ApplePay if they charge you immediately? Or do they wait until shipping?

For me, I did the Apple Card 0% 12 monthly payment route as there's virtually no downside and you get the 3% on the total back, upfront - I certainly could have just paid cash but when the cost of credit is 0, I can sit on my cash - though I will certainly not wait 12 months to pay it off.

In any case, the taxes have been a pending charge for the last month, but as it went to prepared for shipping this morning, that became a final, posted charge. I assume it would be the same regardless of method. No pay, no shipping label - DrR knows that well.....

 

[killjoys]

So it seems it will be with Apple Silicon that we see a redesign. I have suggested previously on Mac Rumors (maybe even in this thread) that instead of an arc to the back, there should be a step in the back. The new AOC U32U1 monitor has a similar layout to illustrate my point. The box on the back may need to be bigger to allow for a full computer, but the format would still work.

I didn't think of having the box separate, but it creates some interesting opportunities. The monitor has height adjustment hidden between the box and screen, which would work well on an iMac. It would also allow for more cooling opportunities with the channel between the box and screen. Plus screen and computer repairs would be much easier. Perhaps they could even include a VESA mount so you can add your own screen.

I'm actually incredibly confused as to why people think it's at all productive to rag on you like they have. All you were doing was expressing some ideas on how Apple may be able to forgo a bulge like back for the redesigned iMac, and not that you wanted Apple to copy that design. Had they actually read your post it'd be clear what you were trying to communicate. We are all in the same boat waiting for the AS iMac and being an ass about it gets none of us anywhere. MR does seem to have its fair share of snide users though, as if we're all not spending hours on the same forum, discussing the same things, speculating the same things, lol, but I digress.


To respond to your idea, from what we've heard in the leaks, I don't see this happening. I believe it's been said to have a more Pro XDR look. Quite possibly a thick depth with no adjustment on the stand, or maybe just height adjust, which I think for most people i.e the average consumer, will be fine. As a designer who works on multiple screens I'd personally love some swivel options but being pragmatic I don't see Apples design team adding this.

Really hope to see something soon though, again we're all in this together.

 

[jazzer15]

For me, I did the Apple Card 0% 12 monthly payment route as there's virtually no downside and you get the 3% on the total back, upfront - I certainly could have just paid cash but when the cost of credit is 0, I can sit on my cash - though I will certainly not wait 12 months to pay it off.

In any case, the taxes have been a pending charge for the last month, but as it went to prepared for shipping this morning, that became a final, posted charge. I assume it would be the same regardless of method. No pay, no shipping label - DrR knows that well.....

Thanks very much. That's interesting. I have been thinking about getting an Apple Card. I thought it was 0% for 12 months or 3% but not both... and since I have another card that pays 2% already (and already have too many cards) I wasn't sure I wanted to deal with another card for the additional 1%, but if I can also use their money for free for a little while, why not -- not that the interest from a bank amounts to very much these days

 

[fireguy286]

I'm actually incredibly confused as to why people think it's at all productive to rag on you like they have. All you were doing was expressing some ideas on how Apple may be able to forgo a bulge like back for the redesigned iMac, and not that you wanted Apple to copy that design. Had they actually read your post it'd be clear what you were trying to communicate.

I was one of those guys. I read the full post. Still stick by my 'snide' comments. The logic and approach make no sense, the gripes on adjustment made even less sense and it doesn't fit the Apple design ethos, especially in 2020. Period. There's no way around it. Not 1 but 2 images were shared as an 'example'. There are dozens of monitors that accomplish what was implied in text but failed in example.

Apple is going to do amazing things with going ARM - wouldn't surprise me if the design as a full fledged computer is thinner than most monitors, further rendering the discussion silly.

The scoff was warranted.

 

[killjoys]

I was one of those guys. I read the full post. Still stick by my 'snide' comments. The logic and approach make no sense, the gripes on adjustment made even less sense and it doesn't fit the Apple design ethos, especially in 2020. Period. There's no way around it. Not 1 but 2 images were shared as an 'example'. There are dozens of monitors that accomplish what was implied in text but failed in example.

Apple is going to do amazing things with going ARM - wouldn't surprise me if the design as a full fledged computer is thinner than most monitors, further rendering the discussion silly.

The scoff was warranted.

Does scoffing and being snide mean two vastly different things? I'm confused at why you've pointed out that you scoffed but that you've put 'snide' in quotations, as if you weren't mocking them in your comments? Genuinely curious.

Regardless, I was making a point at the toxicity of the MR forums where a lot of comments like yours are incredibly and needlessly hostile. Comments don't need to be condescending. We should attempt to have more positive and fruitful conversations, regardless of how you may perceive a suggestion like theirs.

I don't disagree though, the images weren't reflective of Apples design approach, and I believe Apple will do some incredible things with AS - in both design and in performance, but I want to appreciate the value of not having to patronise someone to make a comment.

 

[DrRadon]

Tomorrow i will finally get mine.
I'll probably spend the day deleting photos so my Lightroom library is not 300GB anymore.

 

[jazzer15]

Tomorrow i will finally get mine.
I'll probably spend the day deleting photos so my Lightroom library is not 300GB anymore.

I will hold off on the congratulations until it actually arrives. ??

I'm sure you said somewhere in this thread, but what configuration did you get?

 

[fireguy286]

Does scoffing and being snide mean two vastly different things? I'm confused at why you've pointed out that you scoffed but that you've put 'snide' in quotations, as if you weren't mocking them in your comments? Genuinely curious.

Regardless, I was making a point at the toxicity of the MR forums where a lot of comments like yours are incredibly and needlessly hostile. Comments don't need to be condescending. We should attempt to have more positive and fruitful conversations, regardless of how you may perceive a suggestion like theirs.

I don't disagree though, the images weren't reflective of Apples design approach, and I believe Apple will do some incredible things with AS - in both design and in performance, but I want to appreciate the value of not having to patronise someone to make a comment.

None of these meta posts are overly helpful. So I'll leave it at this. It's very simple - I am a very direct person and lean heavily on sarcasm, and make no apologies for it - it's just who I am. I support and defend good ideas and disagree with ones I don't. I didn't run the guy off the board. That's the internet, it's a public forum. See something you don't like? I do all day every day, and simply scroll on.

There has been excellent discussion here on on the future of iMac's, redesigns and AS, and it wouldn't be 300 pages if everyone just shut up and waited for Apple to announce it - but at some level opinions have to be based on some level of understanding Apple and common sense or the value quickly deteriorates. If you have a further concern, DMs are open.

 

[filmak]

Tomorrow i will finally get mine.
I'll probably spend the day deleting photos so my Lightroom library is not 300GB anymore.

Do not delete them, copy them to another drive. Once deleted they 're gone for ever.

 

[wilberforce]

Tomorrow i will finally get mine.
I'll probably spend the day deleting photos so my Lightroom library is not 300GB anymore.

For anyone planning on using migration assistant to transfer from old mac to new mac, I can highly recommend directly interconnecting them with an ethernet cable. It automatically detected the ethernet connection, you don't need to do anything. I started to transfer via wifi and it reported "peer-to-peer connection" with a transfer rate of 20MB/s. I then interconnected the imacs with an ethernet cable, and it automatically detected it as "ethernet connection" and it reported that the transfer rate increased to about 100 MB/s. It transferred my 400GB in 40 minutes, completely painless.

 

[DrRadon]

Do not delete them, copy them to another drive. Once deleted they 're gone for ever.

I am weeding out stuff that i even had rated two or just one star but always keeper around. And all as RAW. It's okay isch to let go and actually quiet fun looking at the good pictures from 5, 6, 7 years ago in the process.

I am using a Samsung T5 for migration. It´s silly fast.

 

[DrRadon]

I will hold off on the congratulations until it actually arrives. ??

I'm sure you said somewhere in this thread, but what configuration did you get?

Everything highest tier, no nano glass, 2TB SSD, 10gbe.
Full keyboard, only a trackpad (never use the apple mouse anyway).
Also got a free headache and extra wait i did not order. ^^

 

[jazzer15]

Everything highest tier, no nano glass, 2TB SSD, 10gbe.
Full keyboard, only a trackpad (never use the apple mouse anyway).
Also got a free headache and extra wait i did not order. ^^

Haha. Nice machine! What are your main uses other than Lightroom?

 

[Moonjumper]

None of these meta posts are overly helpful. So I'll leave it at this. It's very simple - I am a very direct person and lean heavily on sarcasm, and make no apologies for it - it's just who I am. I support and defend good ideas and disagree with ones I don't. I didn't run the guy off the board. That's the internet, it's a public forum. See something you don't like? I do all day every day, and simply scroll on.

There has been excellent discussion here on on the future of iMac's, redesigns and AS, and it wouldn't be 300 pages if everyone just shut up and waited for Apple to announce it - but at some level opinions have to be based on some level of understanding Apple and common sense or the value quickly deteriorates. If you have a further concern, DMs are open.

But you didn’t have a go at me for what I said, most of it was based on not liking the design. I chose to use that design as there was good contrast for the step, and the height adjustment was hidden, Apple like to hide things. Not because it was the best looking design. I was never walking back as you claimed, because I never changed my position.

I would say your posts about height adjustment don’t make sense and don’t understand Apple. The last major new Mac product was the Mac Pro. This was accompanied by the XDR monitor which reintroduced height adjustment for the first time in years. It is entirely possible that might be replicated with an upcoming iMac. The current design is many years old now, the market has changed. Saying the iMac would already have it if Apple wanted it makes no sense. Apple would never change a feature if that was the case.

 

[DrRadon]

Haha. Nice machine! What are your main uses other than Lightroom?

The main reason to make it a beast is Video Editing and Futur proofing. My current iMac is 2012. I tend to use my stuff for a long time.

 

[rkuo]

I was one of those guys. I read the full post. Still stick by my 'snide' comments. The logic and approach make no sense, the gripes on adjustment made even less sense and it doesn't fit the Apple design ethos, especially in 2020. Period. There's no way around it. Not 1 but 2 images were shared as an 'example'. There are dozens of monitors that accomplish what was implied in text but failed in example.

Apple is going to do amazing things with going ARM - wouldn't surprise me if the design as a full fledged computer is thinner than most monitors, further rendering the discussion silly.

The scoff was warranted.

I think your post was rather offensive and dogpiling for no apparent reason. Posting a picture of a product does not constitute “bad taste” ... it‘s a starting point for discussion. You made a mountain out of a molehill in entirely the worst way possible.

 

[Freida]

There comes a time when you start to filter things. Good from bad from ugly.
I've read his whole post and if you really want my opinion on the matter - I got the impression that he has no taste. That is why I reacted the way I did.
Sure, we can be diplomatic about everything but do you really want to be? Easy example: Does one really need to be diplomatic about Trump or we (intelligent people) can agree that he is an imbecile and we are ok saying that?
I'm not saying that the guy was imbecile, NOT AT ALL! It was just illustrative point that if someone comes here with a ridiculous images of hideous design ideas than that person shouldn't be surprised to get blasted. Why you may ask? Simple, because most of us were here for a long time or were Apple customers for a long time and we CARE about design so when someone comes here with a crappy taste then some of us can say that. There is nothing wrong with expressing that.
We call all be political, diplomatic or politically correct but in the end, all we really want is someone who says what others thing. ie. all we really need here is basically Simon Cowell! A lot of people hate him because he says it bluntly but in the end, most agree with him.
This is just another example.
So, can Simon Cowell be here?

At what point is anyone allowed to say: 'This is crap!'?

So yeah, you may be confused but we (some of us) are not. Those pictures are really bad and the idea is even worse. Please don't support it. We ALL want AMAZING products and those images are not close to anything!
Its just bad taste, nothing else!

I'm actually incredibly confused as to why people think it's at all productive to rag on you like they have. All you were doing was expressing some ideas on how Apple may be able to forgo a bulge like back for the redesigned iMac, and not that you wanted Apple to copy that design. Had they actually read your post it'd be clear what you were trying to communicate. We are all in the same boat waiting for the AS iMac and being an ass about it gets none of us anywhere. MR does seem to have its fair share of snide users though, as if we're all not spending hours on the same forum, discussing the same things, speculating the same things, lol, but I digress.


To respond to your idea, from what we've heard in the leaks, I don't see this happening. I believe it's been said to have a more Pro XDR look. Quite possibly a thick depth with no adjustment on the stand, or maybe just height adjust, which I think for most people i.e the average consumer, will be fine. As a designer who works on multiple screens I'd personally love some swivel options but being pragmatic I don't see Apples design team adding this.

Really hope to see something soon though, again we're all in this together.

 

[iPadified]

I'm actually incredibly confused as to why people think it's at all productive to rag on you like they have. All you were doing was expressing some ideas on how Apple may be able to forgo a bulge like back for the redesigned iMac, and not that you wanted Apple to copy that design. Had they actually read your post it'd be clear what you were trying to communicate. We are all in the same boat waiting for the AS iMac and being an ass about it gets none of us anywhere. MR does seem to have its fair share of snide users though, as if we're all not spending hours on the same forum, discussing the same things, speculating the same things, lol, but I digress.


To respond to your idea, from what we've heard in the leaks, I don't see this happening. I believe it's been said to have a more Pro XDR look. Quite possibly a thick depth with no adjustment on the stand, or maybe just height adjust, which I think for most people i.e the average consumer, will be fine. As a designer who works on multiple screens I'd personally love some swivel options but being pragmatic I don't see Apples design team adding this.

Really hope to see something soon though, again we're all in this together.

Although I like the modular approach of having the computer in the foot or stand, it will likely not happen. A20-30W AS part driving a 4k iMac needs a case as thick as a MBP, which is about 1 cm. A 24 inch screen being 1-1.5 cm thick iMac will be though of as very thin indeed. However, I would happily have a thicker case and silent operation. MBP under heavy load is not fun to listen to.

Now that we have gotten a "cheap" nanostructure option, perhaps we also get a "cheap" hight adjustment option.

 

[iPadified]

There comes a time when you start to filter things. Good from bad from ugly.
I've read his whole post and if you really want my opinion on the matter - I got the impression that he has no taste. That is why I reacted the way I did.
Sure, we can be diplomatic about everything but do you really want to be? Easy example: Does one really need to be diplomatic about Trump or we (intelligent people) can agree that he is an imbecile and we are ok saying that?
I'm not saying that the guy was imbecile, NOT AT ALL! It was just illustrative point that if someone comes here with a ridiculous images of hideous design ideas than that person shouldn't be surprised to get blasted. Why you may ask? Simple, because most of us were here for a long time or were Apple customers for a long time and we CARE about design so when someone comes here with a crappy taste then some of us can say that. There is nothing wrong with expressing that.
We call all be political, diplomatic or politically correct but in the end, all we really want is someone who says what others thing. ie. all we really need here is basically Simon Cowell! A lot of people hate him because he says it bluntly but in the end, most agree with him.
This is just another example.
So, can Simon Cowell be here?

At what point is anyone allowed to say: 'This is crap!'?

So yeah, you may be confused but we (some of us) are not. Those pictures are really bad and the idea is even worse. Please don't support it. We ALL want AMAZING products and those images are not close to anything!
Its just bad taste, nothing else!

Would you also say to Moonjumper that he/she has no taste if you where in the same room?

Intelligence and ideas of how a society should look like has nothing to do with each other. I really do not like Trump politics or views on how a society should look like. In fact, I find them scary. However, I would not call him and his followers imbeciles as any hope of discussion is thereby killed.

Anecdotal: The divide in US reminds me of the divide we have in my countries (yes plural) 100 years ago. That led to killings when the working class demonstrated agains the inability to work and support themself. Essentially, the situation was a result of inability to listed and to discuss. Nowadays, my contries each has 8-10 parties that in different constellations needs to lead the country. Sounds like a mess but is really is quite stable, nearly boring, and put the pressure on politicians not to divide the country. A politicians "enemy" in one election/topic can easily be a "friend" in another election/topic, but that is another story.

 

[DrRadon]

Me right now.

 

[killjoys]

There comes a time when you start to filter things. Good from bad from ugly.
I've read his whole post and if you really want my opinion on the matter - I got the impression that he has no taste. That is why I reacted the way I did.
Sure, we can be diplomatic about everything but do you really want to be? Easy example: Does one really need to be diplomatic about Trump or we (intelligent people) can agree that he is an imbecile and we are ok saying that?
I'm not saying that the guy was imbecile, NOT AT ALL! It was just illustrative point that if someone comes here with a ridiculous images of hideous design ideas than that person shouldn't be surprised to get blasted. Why you may ask? Simple, because most of us were here for a long time or were Apple customers for a long time and we CARE about design so when someone comes here with a crappy taste then some of us can say that. There is nothing wrong with expressing that.
We call all be political, diplomatic or politically correct but in the end, all we really want is someone who says what others thing. ie. all we really need here is basically Simon Cowell! A lot of people hate him because he says it bluntly but in the end, most agree with him.
This is just another example.
So, can Simon Cowell be here?

At what point is anyone allowed to say: 'This is crap!'?

So yeah, you may be confused but we (some of us) are not. Those pictures are really bad and the idea is even worse. Please don't support it. We ALL want AMAZING products and those images are not close to anything!
Its just bad taste, nothing else!

I want to refrain from letting this discussion get out of hand as that is counterintuitive to the point of the thread - but I will reiterate my concerns with the way you and the others were treating Moonjumper yet again.

You don't need to be awful to someone to argue your point.
Your opinion on the matter IS relevant - that is, you are allowed to speak your mind BUT in the interest of civility, we SHOULD attempt to discuss matters like this rationally and not to mock them in a public forum. Moonjumper was not saying anything remotely offensive, they were just casually throwing in an idea.
If you read my post then you can see my personal thoughts, how I thought it was unlikely and that I don't think it's to Apples current design philosophy - however I do like the idea of height adjustment, after all, the XDR display has it. I was trying to be constructive and to critique without bringing them down. What all of you were doing was bullying someone into being quiet. Don't argue in bad faith as to what you were trying to achieve there, it's obvious you all were attempting to shut them up by belittling them and their opinions. By the way, bullying is against forum rules so maybe you should lighten up.

It's funny that you bring up Trump in this discussion by the way. I hope you realise that it's you and your friends who are Trump in this scenario right? Trumps the bully, and attacks people for arbitrary reasons, much like you guys were doing. I mean honestly, who do you think you are in this scenario?

With all due respect, this isn't a reality tv show. We don't need bad guys. We don't need drama. We need constructive and positive voices and we need to do better as a community. You are allowed to be blunt but don't get upset when someone else calls you out for your callousness. Don't spin this as some inherent need to be Simon Cowell, as if he isn't the most unbearable person on Earth, but if that's who you want to be then sure, just don't get into a hissy fit when someone challenges the way you talk to people.

Anyway, to end this, I'm just gonna grab a quote from old mate fireguy286,
"See something you don't like? I do all day every day, and simply scroll on."

I mean I'll just ignore the hypocrisy of none of you scrolling past something you didn't like, lmao, but yeah maybe y'all should've just scrolled past it if you didn't like it. Don't get it twisted though, that's not my philosphy, I just don't like bullies and won't hesitate to stand up against one.

 

[Azrael9]

Tomorrow i will finally get mine.
I'll probably spend the day deleting photos so my Lightroom library is not 300GB anymore.

Excitement!!!

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

The main reason to make it a beast is Video Editing and Futur proofing. My current iMac is 2012. I tend to use my stuff for a long time.

In that case. This new iMac should give your video work a substantial boost.

Azrael.

 

[MacRS4]

Tbh I think if you have to be nasty or mean to make your point, you're making your point terribly. It makes me respect the poster's opinion even less than I probably did in the first place, and assume they're somebody I'd avoid at parties in real life too.

 

[Kjs100]

Tbh I think if you have to be nasty or mean to make your point, you're making your point terribly. It makes me respect the poster's opinion even less than I probably did in the first place, and assume they're somebody I'd avoid at parties in real life too.

Unfortunately it is a distasteful facet of most internet forums. People make personal statements and use strong language behind their screens. All but the most socially clumsy of people wouldnt do so in person. Social decorum seems to fly out the window.