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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
    822
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subink

macrumors newbie
Jun 17, 2020
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The sweet spot is the Top Tier 3 for £2300. It's a bargain. 8 core. 5500XT. BTO to the 1TB SSD.

Amen.

For your use case? It will blow away your workload. Easy.

Azrael.

I went for exactly this configuration. Mainly for photo editing. I expect some improvement over my 2011 i7 mac mini :p. Didn’t go for the nano glass after some consideraton. B.t.w. did you know that in the UK you get a better nano texture, and in Europe an even better nano texture, compared to the USA/CA?
 

wardie

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Do not delete them, copy them to another drive. Once deleted they 're gone for ever.

I seriously need most of mine gone forever. My own workflow is that I end up marking probably 90% of stuff Rejected & 0 star but then forget to delete it. Luckily there is a simple batch menu option for that in LR classic. I also export out to LR anyways just in case and for web viewing.
 

Azrael9

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The mini has no dGPU, isn't this a problem? The integrated one is not very good...

How Apple can't put the dGPU of the MacBook Pro in there, I don't know. 5300/5500 or a 5600M for those that want a mini Mac to kick az.

Good new for Mini fans. The next Mini update will be an AS Mac mini and its gpu will kick the az off the Intel version.

Azrael.
 

Azrael9

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Haha. I don't think I have ever heard someone (particularly around here) use the term "bargain" when referring to an Apple product. :)

Anybody who has read my posting history (please, no jokes...) will know I'm sitting down...steadying myself as I say 'bargain.'

But it is.

£1300 5k display.
RDNA1 gpu.
SSD mucho fasto.
8 core cpu.

For £2300.

But, credit where it's due. This time. It *IS.*

The iMac as a performance powerhouse has come of age.

Azrael.
 

jazzer15

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Oct 8, 2010
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Anybody who has read my posting history (please, no jokes...) will know I'm sitting down...steadying myself as I say 'bargain.'

But it is.

£1300 5k display.
RDNA1 gpu.
SSD mucho fasto.
8 core cpu.

For £2300.

But, credit where it's due. This time. It *IS.*

The iMac as a performance powerhouse has come of age.

Azrael.
Well, I have certainly purchased much less computer for more money.
Anyway, my order was placed this afternoon for the top tier with 1TB SSD. Estimated delivery September 22-29, so I've got a bit to wait. I hope to get a lot of years out of it.
 

Azrael9

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Well, I have certainly purchased much less computer for more money.
Anyway, my order was placed this afternoon for the top tier with 1TB SSD. Estimated delivery September 22-29, so I've got a bit to wait. I hope to get a lot of years out of it.

You have chosen well.

Hope you enjoy it. ;)

Take off £1300 for the revelation of a 5k display and you still have a £1000 computer that is highly respectable with 8 cores, high performance SSD and 5500XT.

RAM is extra..though...but I can live with £128 for 32 gigs at non-Apple prices...

Azrael.
 
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jazzer15

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Oct 8, 2010
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You have chosen well.

Hope you enjoy it. ;)

Take off £1300 for the revelation of a 5k display and you still have a £1000 computer that is highly respectable with 8 cores, high performance SSD and 5500XT.

RAM is extra..though...but I can live with £128 for 32 gigs at non-Apple prices...

Azrael.

Thank you.
There's also the extra for the larger SSD, but even so. And I pay in $$, so it works out a little less (additional taxes notwithstanding). ;)
 
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filmak

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Jun 21, 2012
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How Apple can't put the dGPU of the MacBook Pro in there, I don't know. 5300/5500 or a 5600M for those that want a mini Mac to kick az.

Good new for Mini fans. The next Mini update will be an AS Mac mini and its gpu will kick the az off the Intel version.

Azrael.

As you know they have done it in the past but now... they may be afraid that it will cut iMac sales.
Anyway this mini is a paradox, so many ports (TB3 etc) and no dGPU, it's like cutting down performance on purpose, most of users needing these TB3 ports have a need for good graphics performance too.
 

subink

macrumors newbie
Jun 17, 2020
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Where is this coming from, can you please clarify?

Sorry, I’m just a bit cynical here. In the US the nano tech cost $500 USD, whilst in the UK it is 500 GBP which relates to $666 USD. And in Europe is it costs €625 which relates to $744 USD. That is insane right? I know there is a currency risk but almost 50% premium come on. Bad apple!

P.S. the screens are the same everywhere, of course ;)
 
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filmak

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Sorry, I’m just a bit cynical here. In the US the nano tech cost $500 USD, whilst in the UK it is 500 GBP which relates to $666 USD. And in Europe is it costs €625 which relates to $744 USD. That is insane right? I know there is a currency risk but almost 50% premium come on. Bad apple!

P.S. the screens are the same everywhere, of course ;)
Sorry, I didn't understand it. Of course the difference in pricing is insane and not fair.
 

pldelisle

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May 4, 2020
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As you know they have done it in the past but now... they may be afraid that it will cut iMac sales.
Anyway this mini is a paradox, so many ports (TB3 etc) and no dGPU, it's like cutting down performance on purpose, most of users needing these TB3 ports have a need for good graphics performance too.
It has so many Thunderbolt ports because it doesn’t have a GPU, so 8 PCI-express lines can be allocated to 2 thunderbolt bridges.

Mac Mini will only shine when it will transit to Apple Silicon.
 

Moonjumper

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Jun 20, 2009
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Sorry, I’m just a bit cynical here. In the US the nano tech cost $500 USD, whilst in the UK it is 500 GBP which relates to $666 USD. And in Europe is it costs €625 which relates to $744 USD. That is insane right? I know there is a currency risk but almost 50% premium come on. Bad apple!

P.S. the screens are the same everywhere, of course ;)
UK pricing includes the sales tax, US pricing does not. UK pricing without VAT is £416.66, which equates to $554.11 at the exchange rate you used. I would prefer more equal pricing, but I wouldn't call that insane. Many other companies are worse on US-UK pricing differences.
 

alias99

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Nov 3, 2010
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UK pricing includes the sales tax, US pricing does not. UK pricing without VAT is £416.66, which equates to $554.11 at the exchange rate you used. I would prefer more equal pricing, but I wouldn't call that insane. Many other companies are worse on US-UK pricing differences.

Well I think it was more in reference to the European Pricing which is ridiculous / insane that it equates to over USD 740
 

Moonjumper

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Jun 20, 2009
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Well I think it was more in reference to the European Pricing which is ridiculous / insane that it equates to over USD 740
European prices also include the sales tax, but I used the UK example as it is where I am. European VAT can be as high as 25%. I don't know which country subink was referring to. I do agree prices in Europe are higher, but it is not nearly a 50% premium, and Apple are far from the worst in this matter.
 

alias99

macrumors 6502
Nov 3, 2010
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European prices also include the sales tax, but I used the UK example as it is where I am. European VAT can be as high as 25%. I don't know which country subink was referring to. I do agree prices in Europe are higher, but it is not nearly a 50% premium, and Apple are far from the worst in this matter.

It equates to USD 740 including taxes and that is insane as he mentioned compared to what , USD 540 incl sales tax depending on state in the USA. Which works out at roughly 30% after taxes are imposed. It's not 50% but its still not anywhere close to being ok.

The EU price id imagine is probably from Germany or France who have similar levels of VAT to the UK. Which again shows how the Euro countries are way worse off than even the UK.
 

wave84

macrumors member
Sep 11, 2014
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In Romania where I live it’s even worse. The new Macbook Pro 13, which starts at 1799 in the US, is priced here at exactly 2709 USD after conversion. Which is more than 50% extra. And you don’t want to know what the minimum wage here is...
 

MacRS4

macrumors 6502
Aug 18, 2010
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London, UK
It has so many Thunderbolt ports because it doesn’t have a GPU, so 8 PCI-express lines can be allocated to 2 thunderbolt bridges.

Mac Mini will only shine when it will transit to Apple Silicon.

I think it shines anyway tbh, but probably not as a desktop replacement without a eGPU which is I guess where it gets measured the most, and found a little lacking. I've a couple of the 6 core i7 units and they get a bit laggy even on 4k screens. Can't imagine being sat in front of them all day using them like that, it would be painful - but that's not how I use them. They're effectively server machines so I tend to screen share to them or RDP to the servers/OS units they're hosting. They're epic at that.

TB3 port for a dedicated 10Gbe connection to my iMac Pro means fantastic networking. Samsung X5 on them for brilliantly fast storage, a 10Gbe TB3 connector on one of them because somebody forgot to order the 10Gbe upgrade when I, ahem, they ordered the second one etc.

I would consider one as a desktop machine but I would definitely include an eGPU in that decision.
 
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It has so many Thunderbolt ports because it doesn’t have a GPU, so 8 PCI-express lines can be allocated to 2 thunderbolt bridges.

Mac Mini will only shine when it will transit to Apple Silicon.
They could certainly have found a balance, iMac has only two TB3 ports and it is somehow ok, of course more ports is better but a dGPU is needed in mini..
They may have faced a thermal / heat dissipation issue...
 

MacRS4

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True, but you can share ports over fewer lanes can't you...? 2 ports is a pain tbh, but then that's probably because I've got used to 4 on my iMP. First world problems and all that :)
 
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