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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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You nailed Apple to the cross with that post.
Azrael.
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If Apple uses the LG 23.7" Ultrafine 4K display for iMac 23" we can get great performance in games. Its resolution is 3840 x 2160 which means you can run games in native 1080p without loosing sharpness. With the current iMac 21" you have to run games in 1152p since its resolution is 4096 x 2304 and with the 27" you have to run games in 1440p. A 23" with Radeon 5500 may be great, not having to buy a 27" for good gaming performance.
That's a reasonable post. Most gaming on consoles or PCs is really centered around Hi-Def 1080 gaming. TVs or Monitors with the emphasis being on high refresh rates (for the twitch gamers et al) for the sharp, smooth gameplay it brings.
Ambling along in 35-60 fps with the past several generations of gpus 'promising' 4k gaming is not quite the same. And I don't take the Nv 2080 Ti for it's £1200 price seriously as the 4k answer when the water cooled Rage card a couple of generations back was promising 4k gaming (ambling along 35 fps at 4k...) for a far cheaper price. In truth, both are and were not the answer. We're talking about pushing 4 x Hi-Def 1080 screens! And it's taken sometime to get event a decent 4k experience, finally, over the last year...after the epochal lingering on .25nm.
This fall, that seems to change as the 4k paradigm goes mainstream with the PS5 and Big Navi etc. Finally we have that order of magnitude in grunt (rumours of of 13-17 Teraflops on the Big Navi????) and ray tracing in a deliverable form.
As for the 23 inch iMac. Yes please.
A decent RDNA1 variant in the 23inch iMac would be a credible gaming option in hi-def whilst leaving the 4k stuff for productivity. Perfect. For the 'here and now?' It will still take 4k gaming another year to sell enough PS5s and Big Navis to truly go mainstream. So it's yet another year's wait. For 'that' to finally becoming a reality. (Remember when Hi-Def 1080 started? And we're STILL on it? Gaming wise and in terms of mainstream tv content.)
It would be a sweet spot. And the move 'back' to the 24 inch is long, long overdue. I never liked the pulling of the 24 inch iMac option. The 21 inch to 27 inch jump was too much of a descrepency with no middle ground 24 incher. Especially when you're charing £1500 for 21 inch screens. Hyper-MEH!
I think I adored my 24 inch iMac more than this 27 incher. Had I waited for the 5k screen that came a year later? I may have felt differently.
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Don’t trust this person, but.. still no larger size. It’s a no from me, I’m out. Excluding that though, it could be a good upgrade, IF TRUE. All comes down to the cooling.
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We have no idea. I wouldn’t trust them at all tbh. They have no track record.
That would mean lower DPI compared to the current 21.5 inch model. It would fit the 23 inch being a cheaper model. Then it has to be the 27 inch for me.If Apple uses the LG 23.7" Ultrafine 4K display for iMac 23" we can get great performance in games. Its resolution is 3840 x 2160 which means you can run games in native 1080p without loosing sharpness. With the current iMac 21" you have to run games in 1152p since its resolution is 4096 x 2304 and with the 27" you have to run games in 1440p. A 23" with Radeon 5500 may be great, not having to buy a 27" for good gaming performance.
We are so similar its not even funny. I didn't get 2019 iMac because it was a good update.
I also didn't get the iPad because it was weak and the bending issue is preventing me also. Its just too 'fragile' for my liking.
I didn't get £2000 iPhone though as it was just too much and I don't really like the iPhone 11 Pro so I got the new SE.
Hoping the coming iMac will be worth the wait so I can use the extra money I didn't spend on a phone to put into beefier iMac
Peas in a Mac Pod.
I had the iPhone 4 (Timeless design....and gave it to my Mum and still using it...), the iPhone 5...(decent phone...) and finally the 6S Max... I then thought, what am I doing? I'm handing thousands over to Apple for incremental improvements. ie. Got to to have the lastest 'syndrome.' So I gave myself a good talking to. Lol. I certainly would not give Apple £1k for 'a phone.' I guess I'm in the 'new SE' class of buyer. Which is (I feel) the Apple I remember in terms of value. It doesn't have to be a £99 or £199 iPhone. But anything around £399 would be my limit these days. I'd rather put the rest into a new iMac.
ie. As per your closing comment. So I could spec out better gpu or ram or ssd on the iMac (when it drops...)Yes. After the 'bend gate' on the iPhone, you'd think Apple would have learned their lesson with the 'bendy' iPad. Didn't they stress test it in the lab? How did it get past quality control? Other than that? It's superb piece of kit, tablet wise but they didn't drape themselves in glory with the recent 'update.' I was expecting them to really pile on the pressure to the competition with the A14X. But as we've seen with Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Apple and others...corporations that don't have enough pressure or competition...
...give out the updates Apple has this year.
At least they really boosted the SE (and the iPhones) value proposition. I'd like to see them extend that rational to the Mac line and the new iMac. A machine I remember being about value, performance...'for the rest of us.'
Azrael.
I never had any bending issue personally. I had an iPhone 5 (which lasted 5 years, I tend to keep my things pretty long, 6+years for my actual MacBook Pro 15), iPhone 8 Plus (best iPhone I ever had, indestructible, high quality, beautiful looking) and changed it for iPhone XR because it was on discount at Black Friday with my local provider (was more advantageous to sell my 8 Plus 400 CAD and get the discounted XR, which is very nice too, and red ?).
Oh dear. Really? I had heard the 2019 had more poise with it's performance. So the CPU spins up the fans on gaming? And then slow to come back down. *Shakes head. Apple...Apple...Apple...for the love of...
The one thing I didn't like (and what finally cooked my gpu...) was the constant 'frying' of the enclosure's tech' when doing anything that 'stressed' the machine. ie. Running an 'OLD' game from 2004! Seriously. 'fraid so, folks.
The cooling (at least on my model) just isn't good enough.
Make the iMac thicker or give it the iMac pro Cooling!!
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The iPhone 5. Decent. Really liked it. The new iPhones....I have to give Apple credit, they've evolved into a beautiful work of art. Truly stunning to feel, to hold and to look at.
But I won't be paying 'those' prices for one.
Azrael.
I know but I don't mind since I'm using a 21.5" from 2011 with 1920x1080 resolution. I rather take better gaming than higher DPI.
That is outright seduction. *Throws his wallet on the Apple altar as a blood sacrificial offering...
*Places order right now.
What? It's just a rumour?
Bah.
You see, folks? With Apple...it's all about the dance...
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I had iPhone 4 then got iPhone 6 and now SE 2020. I did try the 11 Pro but it was awfully overpriced for the value you get. On everyday usage you don't really notice much difference except the huge screen which I don't really like because its OLED. And don't get me started on the bloody notch
Yeah, Apple wants us to believe that we need the latest and greatest but because smartphones have plateaued there is no longer the greatest. Its just latest these days and Apple certainly shows the lack of care in their products. The updated iPad Pro few weeks ago was a prime example of that behaviour.
So, big hopes for iMac upgrade (someone promised substantial - which to me means that Apple will come and say: "Ok guys, we will give you 1 year old GPU instead of 2 year old one )
They might also say : "one more thing - ok, SSD 128gb as standard"
Its a joke, really but its what it is.
The best we can do is to vote with the wallet and submit feedback. In the end, it will bite Apple eventually. No company can stay on the top for too long and Apple will be no exception. One day they will get the kick in the butt they really need and on that day we might get them working hard again.
iMac at WWDC = better be massive thing if they are saving it for WWDC and they also hinted it at the invitation. Otherwise, why not just do it now if its as crappy as the Mac mini
I really miss those days 10 or so years ago. Things were exciting and more innovative than now.
The success of iPhone kinda ruined it all for us as the attention is now on that. Mac pro could tell stories
P.S.: I really hope iMac will get option for 5700XT as that looks like a solid GPU (in Apple's world)
Yeah, Apple wants us to believe that we need the latest and greatest but because smartphones have plateaued there is no longer the greatest. Its just latest these days and Apple certainly shows the lack of care in their products. The updated iPad Pro few weeks ago was a prime example of that behaviour.
So, big hopes for iMac upgrade (someone promised substantial - which to me means that Apple will come and say: "Ok guys, we will give you 1 year old GPU instead of 2 year old one
)They might also say : "one more thing - ok, SSD 128gb as standard"
Its a joke, really but its what it is.
The best we can do is to vote with the wallet and submit feedback. In the end, it will bite Apple eventually. No company can stay on the top for too long and Apple will be no exception. One day they will get the kick in the butt they really need and on that day we might get them working hard again.
iMac at WWDC = better be massive thing if they are saving it for WWDC and they also hinted it at the invitation. Otherwise, why not just do it now if its as crappy as the Mac mini
I really miss those days 10 or so years ago. Things were exciting and more innovative than now.
The success of iPhone kinda ruined it all for us as the attention is now on that. Mac pro could tell stories
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I had the iPhone 4 (Timeless design....and gave it to my Mum and still using it...), the iPhone 5...(decent phone...) and finally the 6S Max... I then thought, what am I doing? I'm handing thousands over to Apple for incremental improvements. ie. Got to to have the lastest 'syndrome.' So I gave myself a good talking to. Lol. I certainly would not give Apple £1k for 'a phone.' I guess I'm in the 'new SE' class of buyer. Which is (I feel) the Apple I remember in terms of value. It doesn't have to be a £99 or £199 iPhone. But anything around £399 would be my limit these days. I'd rather put the rest into a new iMac.
Yes. After the 'bend gate' on the iPhone, you'd think Apple would have learned their lesson with the 'bendy' iPad. Didn't they stress test it in the lab? How did it get past quality control? Other than that? It's superb piece of kit, tablet wise but they didn't drape themselves in glory with the recent 'update.' I was expecting them to really pile on the pressure to the competition with the A14X. But as we've seen with Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Apple and others...corporations that don't have enough pressure or competition...
...give out the updates Apple has this year.
At least they really boosted the SE (and the iPhones) value proposition. I'd like to see them extend that rational to the Mac line and the new iMac. A machine I remember being about value, performance...'for the rest of us.'
Azrael.
P.S.: I really hope iMac will get option for 5700XT as that looks like a solid GPU (in Apple's world)
I know but I don't mind since I'm using a 21.5" from 2011 with 1920x1080 resolution. I rather take better gaming than higher DPI.
I think you're right.
The dpi difference will be negligible to the trade off in superior gaming experience you will receive.
It's still a '4k' screen give or take. Plenty of res' for productivity work. Better than my late 2012 27 inch iMac at any rate.
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Amen to that. Hopefully Mac fans can hold their nerve and get a good deal for themselves.
It's not just a good deal for myself I want. I'd like Apple to get back to offering more value at reasonable prices like they used to for ALL Mac fans and users.
No one is under any illusion about bargain basement products or prices from Apple. We know they'll never be the cheapest. They weren't back in 1997-2001 under Jobs. But I remember that era well. Jobs liked to give the consumer 'a deal' and he understood that as a consummate salesman.
But something approaching the iPhone SE's (great value product with a kick az A13 chip! That's how you do it...) mandate for the Mac line
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...could...it...be??!?!?
*Prays to St. Jobs.*
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*nods enthusiastically.
If it's just what you say, it will be an instant buy for me.
But I wonder if the stand hints at increased strength, ergonomic visuality and adjusting. (The current stand has had issues with the mechanism breaking for iMac users. Though it didn't happen to me, personally.)
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That's fine by me. With 16 gigs of ram (it's time, Apple...) and 512 gigs of SSD (long over due...) as standard. In Apple terms these things are inconsequential in price to upgrade to give the consumer more value with the 'premium' iMac line.
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It might just be a guy from this forum trying to trolling us
If so, he gets an A for trying.
Azrael.
It should be a given that the BTO models will be 10th generation, but I hope the whole line uses them.
Intel is probably in low-rate initial production for Comet Lake S and the yields might be good enough that the bulk of CPUs per wafer are "K-quality" 125W units so that is what they are making since that is where the money is. As production ramps, we will have more units that can only reliably reach lower clock speeds and those will be sold as the 65W units.
It's a sign A12 series production is now good enough that they can use all the cores. Plus the A12 series already crushes every other ARM CPU on the market and looks like it can run with a number of non-ARM CPUs, as well, so honestly, how much more do you need?
That will be the 2021 iPad Pro with MiniLED and an A13X to appease the Benchmark Junkies.
It's a sign *(that Apple needs more competition...) A12 series production is now good enough that they can use all the cores *(Azrael insert: 'Stifles laugh. Tries to behave...) Plus the A12 series already crushes every other ARM CPU *(Azrael insert, so we sit on our laurels...and...) on the market and looks like it can run with a number of non-ARM CPUs, as well, so honestly, how much more do you need? *(Azrael insert. MOAR! More than a two year old CPU. UNLIMITED POW-URRR!)
That will be the 2021 iPad Pro with MiniLED and an A13X to appease the Benchmark Junkies.
Jerry= Apple.
Me = 'Show me the money...' *turns up the radio.
Azrael.
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I had iPhone 4 then got iPhone 6 and now SE 2020. I did try the 11 Pro but it was awfully overpriced for the value you get. On everyday usage you don't really notice much difference except the huge screen which I don't really like because its OLED. And don't get me started on the bloody notch
Yeah, Apple wants us to believe that we need the latest and greatest but because smartphones have plateaued there is no longer the greatest. Its just latest these days and Apple certainly shows the lack of care in their products. The updated iPad Pro few weeks ago was a prime example of that behaviour.
So, big hopes for iMac upgrade (someone promised substantial - which to me means that Apple will come and say: "Ok guys, we will give you 1 year old GPU instead of 2 year old one
They might also say : "one more thing - ok, SSD 128gb as standard"
Its a joke, really but its what it is. *(Azrael insert. Indeed.)
The best we can do is to vote with the wallet and submit feedback. In the end, it will bite Apple eventually. No company can stay on the top for too long and Apple will be no exception. One day they will get the kick in the butt they really need and on that day we might get them working hard again.
iMac at WWDC = better be massive thing if they are saving it for WWDC and they also hinted it at the invitation. Otherwise, why not just do it now if its as crappy as the Mac mini
I really miss those days 10 or so years ago. *(Azrael insert. Fond times...*remembers Steve.) Things were exciting and more innovative than now.
The success of iPhone kinda ruined it all for us as the attention is now on that. Mac pro could tell stories
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P.S.: I really hope iMac will get option for 5700XT as that looks like a solid GPU (in Apple's world) *(Azrael insert: YES!)
Ahhh, such eloquent prose. Had I written it myself...
I see you have pierced the dark veil of Apple's marketing...and are conversant in what they say and what they actually do.
'We shall be following your progress with great interest.' *Uses his Senator Palpatine voice.
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you got prosser, the guy with unprecedented access to Apple, telling us the iMac has been ready to ship, you got that other guy that is reliable tweeting iMac and mac mini „soon“ around that timeframe, you got a the verge Writer suggesting that something is happening soon... but the unknown guy with a thousand followers posting a mock-up image that he used many times before giving you playboy like fan fiction specs and looks telling that the release will happen not in June but in July...
like, lets be real here. What would this mean? Did Apple complete disassemble the March release to build a wet dream? I don’t know how trust worthy this Twitter account is. Scrolling through it a bit I have seen no „first reported here“ news that turned out to be true.
All this was relevant, but, unfortunately, most likely in the past. Why? Because for 8 years the design has not changed. Not only external, but also internal. That is, if you take the normal life span, then about 4 years, in my opinion, Apple does not care.
By analogy with Vega 20, the iMac 21.5 / 23 probably will have the same GPU as the MBP 16". 5500 is a great card, but still far from playable for actual games in high settings. It depends on games, but I wouldn’t be so happy prematurely, because judging by according to tests, even the old Starcraft 2 on the MBP 16" in 1080p does not work at maximum settings comfortly. And judging by the reviews, some games look acceptable on a 4K display in 1080p resolution, and some are not. I don’t know what it depends on, but there is one.If Apple uses the LG 23.7" Ultrafine 4K display for iMac 23" we can get great performance in games. Its resolution is 3840 x 2160 which means you can run games in native 1080p without loosing sharpness. With the current iMac 21" you have to run games in 1152p since its resolution is 4096 x 2304 and with the 27" you have to run games in 1440p. A 23" with Radeon 5500 may be great, not having to buy a 27" for good gaming performance.
Where did the rumor go that display 27 should increase?
But when you run games in 4K / 5K on powerful hardware and they work great - it’s immediately breathtaking and you don’t really want to go back for a quarter of the resolution.I think you're right.
The dpi difference will be negligible to the trade off in superior gaming experience you will receive.
It's still a '4k' screen give or take. Plenty of res' for productivity work. Better than my late 2012 27 inch iMac at any rate.
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All I can say is if its a spec update it would have been released already....I still think we see a redesign in June.
Every coin has 2 sides. You seem to always pick the negative one which confuses me.
So, just like you said - it was ready to ship and it didn't - so there is a reason for that.
Substantial update from reliable leaker was "promised".
Prosser is not always reliable and I would say he is more of a Poser
Anyway, this tweet alone wouldn't take any credibility. Its all the things we have heard over the time that this is just the cherry on the top. Sure, it may not happen but at the same time, its logical.
To what extend? We don't know but we know that something is cooking and that we will soon find out.
So, I live my life with the positive approach to most situations. You seem to indicate the opposite.
If it works for you, fine but it doesn't work for me. There is enough crap happening around to taint my attitude with "negative" approach.
So yeah, I choose to be optimistic with all the points that we have. If it doesn't happen then its fine but why would I be straight negative? Nah, not my style - positivity is much better overall. Life is just that much more enjoyable
So, just like you said - it was ready to ship and it didn't - so there is a reason for that.
Substantial update from reliable leaker was "promised".
Prosser is not always reliable and I would say he is more of a Poser
Anyway, this tweet alone wouldn't take any credibility. Its all the things we have heard over the time that this is just the cherry on the top. Sure, it may not happen but at the same time, its logical.
To what extend? We don't know but we know that something is cooking and that we will soon find out.
So, I live my life with the positive approach to most situations. You seem to indicate the opposite.
If it works for you, fine but it doesn't work for me. There is enough crap happening around to taint my attitude with "negative" approach.
So yeah, I choose to be optimistic with all the points that we have. If it doesn't happen then its fine but why would I be straight negative? Nah, not my style - positivity is much better overall. Life is just that much more enjoyable
you got prosser, the guy with unprecedented access to Apple, telling us the iMac has been ready to ship, you got that other guy that is reliable tweeting iMac and mac mini „soon“ around that timeframe, you got a the verge Writer suggesting that something is happening soon... but the unknown guy with a thousand followers posting a mock-up image that he used many times before giving you playboy like fan fiction specs and looks telling that the release will happen not in June but in July...
like, lets be real here. What would this mean? Did Apple complete disassemble the March release to build a wet dream? I don’t know how trust worthy this Twitter account is. Scrolling through it a bit I have seen no „first reported here“ news that turned out to be true.
Sorry to burst the hype train. I am looking forward to the "new iMac' (whatever may or may not happen) as much as the next guy, but this was a mock-up in a 9to5mac 23inch monitor poll in April. (With one enlarged a bit)
*Sad face
*Sad face
Yes, but let's not forget that MBP has 5300M/5500M, the mobile GPU. iMacs have had desktop GPUs the past years with better performance.
Yes, but let's not forget that MBP has 5300M/5500M, the mobile GPU. iMacs have had desktop GPUs the past years with better performance.
Current GPUs are mobile GPUs. And everything in the past have been mobile GPU with far lower TDP than the desktop variant. It's usually custom made SKUs (680MX, Radeon M290X, Radeon Pro 580X) with slightly higher TDP than the true mobile counterpart, but still lower than a full desktop 580 for example.
The only one getting full power GPUs is the iMac Pro.
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Yep. This rumour is totally fake.
I had iPhone 4 then got iPhone 6 and now SE 2020. I did try the 11 Pro but it was awfully overpriced for the value you get. On everyday usage you don't really notice much difference except the huge screen which I don't really like because its OLED. And don't get me started on the bloody notch
Yeah, Apple wants us to believe that we need the latest and greatest but because smartphones have plateaued there is no longer the greatest. Its just latest these days and Apple certainly shows the lack of care in their products. The updated iPad Pro few weeks ago was a prime example of that behaviour.
One of my flatmates once said, your Phone is like a toaster, it already dos anything you will ever need it to do, you never NEED a new one.
What the leaker posted was a mockup, I think we already knew that.
As I see it, as long something doesn't change, there will be an update to the iMac line this year, specs updates. They are leaving any major design changes for when they release their own non x86 CPU. End of this year or next year etc.
But I am pretty sure we will see at least one update of the current line, to get rid off hardware stock.
But I am pretty sure we will see at least one update of the current line, to get rid off hardware stock.