Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[iPadified]

Minor spec bump are not really compatible with Comet lake chips unless limited to 65W versions because an 125W would require an internal redesign. I also understood that comet lake required a new motherboard which is not a spec bump anymore.

There are always new components next year so that argument is weak. An ARM based iMac will look different than an intel base iMac to avoid confusion so a redesign next year of intel based iMac is just as likely as today or at WWDC2020.

An iMac update is not really a big thing happening and maybe limited in the mainstream media. Tech media should have no difficulties to separate iMac and civil unrest. An iPhone by contrast that reaches mainstream media is an entirely different affair.

 

[yunuzzz]

Apple updated delivery times 27" iMac. It was 2-3 weeks in Turkey and US store. Now 18-25 June.
21.5" models delivered by 4th june.

 

[DrRadon]

Apple updated delivery times 27" iMac. It was 2-3 weeks in Turkey and US store. Now 18-25 June.
21.5" models delivered by 4th june. View attachment 920840

Hmmm, we have seen that pattern on "only the 27 inch being unavailable" for some time now, maybe a week. Could anyone imagine that they only bump the 27 inch model? They split the MacBooks to three different releases after all. Maybe the wiggle room on putting more power/heat in the 21 Inch model is just don for and they will keep it around for this moment in time? Have they ever split to different "days" upgrade with non Pro iMacs?
Than again, you never know how many they sell in a day, they might just have stocked up to meet daily demand for the past week.


I actually think Apple releasing the iMac this week might have dropped significantly. It seems like over night it's become a thing to post a black image, "the music has stoped" "the show must be paused". Apple Musics instagram account has been taken down, theres only one image and one video left. It would probably seem odd to post "shiny new thing".

 

[krell100]

Doesn't look like Apple is running down stocks of (soon to be) discontinued stock?

 

[Dave245]

I'm hoping Apple announce a redesign at WWDC, even if its just slimmer bezels, spec bumps and better camera and speakers. There has to be a reason why they haven't released a spec bump already, this time last year the 2019 iMac had been announced.

WWDC could see the release of a new iMac alongside the rumoured Airtags and AirPods Studio over the ear headphones.

 

[DrRadon]

I'm hoping Apple announce a redesign at WWDC, even if its just slimmer bezels, spec bumps and better camera and speakers. There has to be a reason why they haven't released a spec bump already, this time last year the 2019 iMac had been announced.

It's been delayed due to covid. Planed release was March. According to several reliable leakers. They are now trying to find a place in their release schedule. I believe this would have been this week as WWDC was delayed by two weeks.

 

[ssong]

Apple updated delivery times 27" iMac. It was 2-3 weeks in Turkey and US store. Now 18-25 June.
21.5" models delivered by 4th june. View attachment 920840

Given that the U.K. store is showing 17-24 June I don’t think this is related to any announcements and is just an arbitrary lead time setup for the online store.

I do wonder why Turkey is a day later though, as based on time zones if anything Turkey should be same as U.K.

 

[Migranya]

It's been delayed due to covid. Planed release was March. According to several reliable leakers. They are now trying to find a place in their release schedule. I believe this would have been this week as WWDC was delayed by two weeks.

Hopefully you are right, buddy!

 

[Dave245]

It's been delayed due to covid. Planed release was March. According to several reliable leakers. They are now trying to find a place in their release schedule. I believe this would have been this week as WWDC was delayed by two weeks.

I remember Mark Gurman saying that the new iMac is a "substantial update" whether that means in terms of specs or a redesign i'm not sure. I would love Apple to announce it sooner rather than later, my 2012 iMac is slow and old now.

 

[DrRadon]

I remember Mark Gurman saying that the new iMac is a "substantial update" whether that means in terms of specs or a redesign i'm not sure. I would love Apple to announce it sooner rather than later, my 2012 iMac is slow and old now.

Well, you never know until apple announces it, but according to them reliable leakers MiniLED and ARM have been pushed to 2021 and these might very well be linked to bigger screens and redesigns and anything else you might call "substantial". Personally i expect a specs bump and thats it, if it's more and that more dos not suck ill gladly take it.
Also running a 2012 iMac here. Actually quiet happy with it - it just dos not work for video editing, but i had a SSD build in when the HDD failed, so that might be a decisive difference to your machine in most day to day design tasks.
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Hopefully you are right, buddy!

I hope as well. But as bad as it looks in the US right now my feeling of "if it's just a specs bump they can finally ship it" from yesterday changed. It just would seem so odd putting a new iMac on social media while plenty of companies, bands and movie stars black out their social media. - Literally the only reason i can see them breaking that is that the iMac is no redesign/only a bump and WWDC is such a big announcement (full switch to ARM next year) that they just have to put this iMac on shelfs before the WWDC keynote to sell some extra to people that would otherwise wait a year with the news of WWDC.

But even if Apple likes to have some time between events and announcements (14 days, 30 days) i could see them just delay the release... till Monday, of even till Monday the 15th. Just see when the US calms down and than push it out the door ASAP to still get the orders in before WWDC.
Or do a silent Update, wich i believe they have don before when it came to very minor bumps.

 

[robes1]

Hoping they dump the Fusion drives, and go to SSD for all the models.

 

[Migranya]

Hoping they dump the Fusion drives, and go to SSD for all the models.

The asian guy who posted information about the new iMac replied to a follower that there would be two storage options to choose: Fusion Drive or SSD. I don’t know if he’s a reputable leaker or not.

In this scenario, I would love that we have a $0 cost options between 256BG SSD and 1TB Fusion Drive, for example. But it's true that in 2020 we should have SSD in in all starting models.

 

[Jamacfer]

I hope as well. But as bad as it looks in the US right now my feeling of "if it's just a specs bump they can finally ship it" from yesterday changed. It just would seem so odd putting a new iMac on social media while plenty of companies, bands and movie stars black out their social media. - Literally the only reason i can see them breaking that is that the iMac is no redesign/only a bump and WWDC is such a big announcement (full switch to ARM next year) that they just have to put this iMac on shelfs before the WWDC keynote to sell some extra to people that would otherwise wait a year with the news of WWDC.

So next year for iMac should be the transition to ARM processors? In this case, if there is no real push to buy, maybe it would be a good idea to wait till 2021 (just like the switch to Motorola to PowerPC and then to Intel)...You know, I have a 2013 iMac that still works well and I'm undecided whether to change it this year or, at this point, wait until 2021...

 

[DrRadon]

So next year for iMac should be the transition to ARM processors? In this case, if there is no real push to buy, maybe it would be a good idea to wait till 2021 (just like the switch to Motorola to PowerPC and then to Intel)...You know, I have a 2013 iMac that still works well and I'm undecided whether to change it this year or, at this point, wait until 2021...

Thats my point why i believe Apple would want these out before WWDC. Because a switch like that would probably bring a DevKid introduced at the conference so people can get their code ready for whatever comes next. So people would know and hold on to their money.

No one knows if this actually is going to happen until it happens, we just have reliable leakers and the interpretation of what they said/what we want to hear.

Generally speaking: In my opinion next years computer will almost always be better than this years, if you don't need a new one for good reasons you probably should wait till you do.



As you can now see on the front page, this black out thing is a specific event for this specific Tuesday. Maybe that takes some pressure of a possible small "specs bump only" release tomorrow. Especially since Apple participated today.

 

[krell100]

I'd have thought ARM would be laptop first, then desktop, spread out over 2-3 years? Agree on waiting to see, at this point there's a lot of change coming across several areas so 2021 is likely to be the year of big change, 2020 is a holding pattern as far as I can see.

 

[Azrael9]

The idea of Apple putting the latest Gen tech in any of their machines is actually laughable. History proves that they put old tech in that is already close to obsolete then charge for it (and market it) as though its the latest and greatest. I have no doubt that a new iMac won't have navi2 or PCIe4(5), it may have an outside chance at 10th Gen Intel CPUs but even that is largely down to a fundamental redesign or incorporating iMac Pro innards. Name me one Apple desktop machine that is cutting edge. Just one.

Thinking Apple would give you "everything" is laughable. Cynical? Yes. Realistic? Yes. Even on design Apple are no longer the top dog and hasn't been for a long time. I hope this turns around with a new iMac design/tech but I seriously doubt it. My vote is that Apple offer an underwhelming bump and the consensus is one of mild disappointment. I hope I'm wrong...

Apple are getting very iStale.

Azrael.
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Well the iMac 5K already has 9th Generation Intel CPUs as either standard or BTO options so they can only go to the 10th Generation, which is the current. The 4K iMacs are still on 8th Generation so they could do either 9th or 10th and since the 10th are now out...

PCIe4/5 are not available on Intel platforms so that's a non-starter argument since you won't get an Intel-powered Dell or HP with it. And AMD has yet to release an RDNA2-powered video card or OEM-compatible GPU so, again, you won't find that with anyone else, as well.

True.

But equally true...PCIE4 is available on the AMD platform. And the iMac has yet to receive even last year's RDNA1.

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

I'd have thought ARM would be laptop first, then desktop, spread out over 2-3 years? Agree on waiting to see, at this point there's a lot of change coming across several areas so 2021 is likely to be the year of big change, 2020 is a holding pattern as far as I can see.

Consumer wise, probably as that is where most of the Mac sales go. Dev' kit wise?

The last transition started with the Mac Pro tower dev kit...and then the iMac/Macbooks were the consumer products that followed in the marketplace to kickstart the transition with customers.

It could be any machine as a dev' kit...hopefully with enough grunt to test the potency of Mac ARM. Could have a Mac Mini ARM or Macbook ARM dev kit and then go iMac/Macbook ARM next year to consumers...or put Mac ARM in the new iMac as a dev' machine.

You could get the Osborn effect whenever you do a new transition. People will buy now if they need to. Will wait if they know a new model is imminent. Or if their machine will 'last well enough' wait until the transition starts.

No reason to hold back on the iMac redesign. At all. The last transition both Mac OS X and the machines remained consistent in the transition so this was less confusing for customers. Asides, it's easier to do one thing and do it well then I think they'll move the designs on after.

That said, Mac ARM affords a great flexibility of design with the ARM cpu being more efficient. They could just 'go for it' or have designs or new machines ready beyond the current '6' grid of Con/Prosumer/Pro ready to go which defy our current thinking.

And a transition from Intel would be as good a time as any to get beyond this largely iStale Mac last ten years (give or take a Trash Can or Uber Grater Mac Pro.)

Azrael.

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Big Navi...under a new code name...?

 

[mindquest]

Sony canceled PS5 event this week. Guessing Apple may push off everything till next week.

Sony Cancels PS5 Event Amid Growing U.S. Unrest | Digital Trends

Sony has decided to cancel its June 4 event, which was supposed to unveil some of the games that will be released alongside the PlayStation 5 later this year.

www.digitaltrends.com

 

[DrRadon]

I'd have thought ARM would be laptop first, then desktop, spread out over 2-3 years? Agree on waiting to see, at this point there's a lot of change coming across several areas so 2021 is likely to be the year of big change, 2020 is a holding pattern as far as I can see.

I am expecting a full switch. Apple is so good at creating their own chips in terms of power and energy consumption, it's probably going to be a massive blow away.

 

[Freida]

From what others explained to me its not that simple. Apparently, in Workstations or highend computers the ARM architecture sux now so it would be a mistake to switch fully. How correct it is I'm not sure but someone (I think here) made a good explanation. Shame I didn't save it.

I think people (myself included) see/saw the ARM as some miracle cure for the Intel disease but I would suspect its probably wishful thinking at this point. Who knows but I doubt the switch to ARM will be so quick as some people here tend to think. If anything, I feel that it will be safe to buy iMac now or even next year. This is not the same as PowerPC and Intel so the timeline will be different and the outcome will probably be too. I'd say we are still far off ARM.
Lets see what WWDC brings but I doubt its going to be ARM oriented as we would hear more than occasional whisper

I am expecting a full switch. Apple is so good at creating their own chips in terms of power and energy consumption, it's probably going to be a massive blow away.

 

[fastlanephil]

Most of the 21.5” iMac configurations at B&H Photo are now Special Order. 2-4 weeks.

 

[askunk]

Well... here in the UK the situation is different. Actually, the opposite of the rumours (23" ready do ship):

21.5" OEM 48hrs, BTO 9-13 days

27" OEM 15-20 days, BTO more than a month wait.

 

[mindquest]

For those playing the waiting game keep an eye out on this Apple page:

Newsroom

Apple Newsroom is the source for news about Apple. Read press releases, get updates, watch video and download images.

www.apple.com

 

[baldpotato]

 

[CWallace]

Could anyone imagine that they only bump the 27 inch model?

Yes in that there have been rumors there will be a new iMac in the 23" form factor and it could be replacing the 21.5" model.

And the iMac has yet to receive even last year's RDNA1.

RDNA1 availability was after the 2019 iMac refresh, was it not?