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Will you leave the Apple ecosystem because of CSAM?
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As mentioned in another thread: probably yes. But it will be a longer transition since a) I just bought new devices and I do like especially my iPads and b) it remains to be seen if governments are able to pressure Google into introducing the same kind of on device scan (or Google even do it on their own will).
For the time being, I will stay on iOS 14. Also I don't live in the US and do not use iCloud Photos anyway, so I assume for the next 2 years I can personally ignore the thing and will just have to live with the fact that I dislike the whole thing conceptually (assuming Apple doesn't pull it back because of the negative publicity).
For the time being, I will stay on iOS 14. Also I don't live in the US and do not use iCloud Photos anyway, so I assume for the next 2 years I can personally ignore the thing and will just have to live with the fact that I dislike the whole thing conceptually (assuming Apple doesn't pull it back because of the negative publicity).
Pray tell, which super private phones are you going to get? The ones with an OS made by a company which literally exists to capture and sell your data?
Yeah we do 😂
just delete your child porn and you’ll be fine.
This is hilarious. I love how this is the thing that’s getting everyone worked up, as if you haven’t been giving away your browsing habits, online purchase decisions, search history, location data, dietary choices, and all other kinds of information to companies whether you knew it or not, for ten+ years. Now apple wants to make sure you’re not storing kiddie porn on iCloud by comparing hashes from photos on your phone with hashes from known child porn under very specific circumstances and it’s “I AM DONE WITH APPLE.”
If only you all would approach actual societal problems with this same level of determination and conviction.
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I am taking a wait and see approach. I will not immediately upgrade my iPhone 12 ProMax to a 13, and will not be ordering a large MacBook Pro the day they’re announced - as I had planned on doing. If Apple reverses course, I’m back with a ready-to-spend budget. I’ve already resurrected my old XPS13 and have spent some time getting it up and running with Linux. It is NOT ideal, but I believe we have to vote with our wallets. If we don’t vote for security/privacy now…then when?
I can’t get rid of my phone yet due to Verizon’s stranglehold on me, but I deleted my Apple ID and use the phone like a dumb phone (i.e. basic SMS and phone calls). It’s not Snowden-level privacy, but it’s better than nothing.
Already disconnected my other Apple gear and now offering them to my family. They do not care about this issue, so I’d rather give it to them than to put some stranger’s privacy at risk.
As for me, I already had a cheap laptop in the closet for me to use. Slapped Linux on it, encrypted the drive, and browsing minimally. Again, not much else I can do until I can “hack” an android phone.
Already disconnected my other Apple gear and now offering them to my family. They do not care about this issue, so I’d rather give it to them than to put some stranger’s privacy at risk.
As for me, I already had a cheap laptop in the closet for me to use. Slapped Linux on it, encrypted the drive, and browsing minimally. Again, not much else I can do until I can “hack” an android phone.
The major issue would be to gather enough people's support and reach that critical mass so Apple can no longer ignore.
This is as difficult as hoping people who utilize these new tools are as integral as a sane individual, with decent critical thinking skills.
People with critical thinking skills might think this is for the greater good.
I'm doing a slow transition away from Apple. Earlier this year I bought a low budget AMD gaming Windows PC. I love it. I still can run my old 32 bit Windows software I bought over 10 years ago.
I am stuck with an iPhone SE 2ND Gen I bought in July before all this news.
I will stay on iOS 14 until this phone is useless.
I am stuck with an iPhone SE 2ND Gen I bought in July before all this news.
I will stay on iOS 14 until this phone is useless.
I've enjoyed your posts here on Macrumors for a long time especially in the iPad section. I'm genuinely curious. What ecosystem are you considering moving to (if you haven't already)?
Count me in this group. Those of us who actually follow the tech world a little closer realize that Dropbox and most other cloud companies have been scanning for CP for the last 7+ years at least.
Will 99.99% of Apple users care? Nope. Think about it. Most people use Facebook. Nuff said.
I'd love to use Linux and be super mindful of my privacy but there's just too much to give up for even me. I don't do social media, I don't use Google to the best of my ability, and I use DuckDuckGo + adblockers everywhere I go (supporting sites that I can through $, like this one). Maybe someday I'll move to Linux but not today. I use Apple for work and it is incredibly useful.
Am I happy where I see privacy headed? Nope, but I haven't for a long time now. Apple still beats most other companies when it comes to Privacy - by miles.
Also curious - are you saying you support this move by Apple? (not sure if sarcastic or not).
If life has taught me one thing, it's that most people don't put a lot of effort into thinking critically. Just look at that Dateline NBC child predator series. There were people who knew about the television series, had gotten caught elsewhere, but STILL got caught again.
Those of us technically minded enough to frequent Macrumors probably represent .001% of the Apple iPhone population. I know most of my family/friends barely follow Apple news - at best, the official Apple announcements - but even those, out of the group of friends/family I know, less than 10% do even that.
I imagine every other ecosystem already scans for CP (talking cloud here - OneDrive, Google Drive, Amazon, Dropbox, (insert product here)). Unless you're using a device with all cloud services off (which applies for Apple too according to their documentation), your data is being scanned to protect the parent/host company from being accused of trafficking CP (if they can scan for it, they do/will). Since I don't own the servers that my data resides on, I can see why these companies have to protect themselves.
I do wish Apple had some way to let me choose my own key so my data is 100% encrypted by me but I realize that would make Apple devices incredibly complicated for most people and inevitably result in data loss.
There are many petitions already. Just do a search…
It may or may not push me away entirely. I'd say I'm far less enthused with their products now. I currently have no reason to upgrade to iOS 15, macOS 12 and cancelled my plans for an iPad Mini and Macbook Air when the next gens of each come out.
It more or less evened the playing field for me. I have less reason to pay the Apple premium. When a perfectly fine Android phone or Windows laptop may be had for less.
I use iOS, Android, macOS, Windows and a little Linux already. I have less reason to prioritize iOS for my main mobile usage. Android and iOS both work well.
I'm not ingrained in Apple's ecosystem. If cross platform iCloud integration wasn't so horrible. I might be entrenched more. I went with more platform agnostic options. Nor do I like the idea of being locked into something anyways.
I have no illusions or concerns about personal privacy with services I use. I already know nothing on them is private, not believing their privacy settings, and know they scan content synced to their servers. I use them for sync anyways.
I won't go into specifics as to why I would then be against this. Nor possible device side solutions for Apple I think would alleviate some concerns of many security researchers. As I believe that would cross the PRSI line. Switching from introspection to extrospection.
It more or less evened the playing field for me. I have less reason to pay the Apple premium. When a perfectly fine Android phone or Windows laptop may be had for less.
I use iOS, Android, macOS, Windows and a little Linux already. I have less reason to prioritize iOS for my main mobile usage. Android and iOS both work well.
I'm not ingrained in Apple's ecosystem. If cross platform iCloud integration wasn't so horrible. I might be entrenched more. I went with more platform agnostic options. Nor do I like the idea of being locked into something anyways.
I have no illusions or concerns about personal privacy with services I use. I already know nothing on them is private, not believing their privacy settings, and know they scan content synced to their servers. I use them for sync anyways.
I won't go into specifics as to why I would then be against this. Nor possible device side solutions for Apple I think would alleviate some concerns of many security researchers. As I believe that would cross the PRSI line. Switching from introspection to extrospection.
To keep it shorter than before the only thing it changes for me is that I won't update my iPad ever again. Fine by me, the new Safari and other tweaks are bad enough that I don't really mind never updating it... Don't use a smartphone so it's' irrelevant in that regard. Already leaving Mac because I haven't liked the direction of the OS for the past few years.
I’d rather take my 1 in a trillion chances of having 30 innocent photos examined by Apple than let any sicko get away with CSAM
They most certainly have the right to check your content that you’re uploading to their server.
I don't think in terms of support or not support. I am not happy about it, but won't leave Apple because of it.
I was more responding to this:
Which came across to me, as a generalized put-down of the masses.
But it should not happen on my device. I didn’t buy my phone to spy on me.
We all know, that our private content is not private at all on their servers. Everything gets scanned. Even at Apple, despite their wonderful but worthless privacy commercials. This is something we cannot avoid.
But I do not accept, having a piece of spyware on my phone, scanning content in situation X on my private phone.
Define a “backdoor” please. Would you also call an anti-virus database regularly updated on your computer a backdoor?
The main issue here is that people suddenly do not trust Apple. And why not? Do you trust Google (Android) better and, if so, why?
I cannot find in Apple’s technical paper on child safety anything that rings any immediate alarm bells. They promise to resist any attempts to abuse this system or manipulate them into anything more sinister. So why not give them a chance?
Because its not really in their (Apple’s) hands. And they (should) know it
Plus, what is different to mentioned virus database: the database is designed to find viruses and malware and notify you about its findings.
The scanning Apple does is designed to scan through and assess your data and snitch you out without even notifying you.
One is for your benefit. The other is not.
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No I won't leave now, but I'll definitely watch the competition closer and eventually buy at least non Apple phone. I'll stop using iCloud as soon as my NAS arrives though and stay on iOS 14.
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