It was never designed, nor claimed that it would catch creators. It only scans for previously known and reported CSAM.
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Will you leave the Apple ecosystem because of CSAM?
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It was never designed, nor claimed that it would catch creators. It only scans for previously known and reported CSAM.
I see you're an all-switches on user. Have fun when your account is breached.
I'm going to go use technology that respects me. Had enough of the "smart" stuff.
It's funny you should mention that because I've noticed the exact opposite. I've noticed a distinct overlap of men that are outwardly hyper-feminist on social media who end up getting exposed for having a misogynistic and sexist history vs. those that are feminist but don't make a big point out of it. Happens all the time in the gaming industry. X person spends a few years telling everyone how non-toxic he is and how much he hates toxic men only to be exposed down the line.
Maybe that pattern is happening here. The ones in this thread (and on social media) that are trying their best to maintain this scanning is a good thing are the ones that have the most to hide because they're worried if they outwardly oppose it they will get exposed themselves.
"Yeah! Get those misogynistic toxic men out of the public sphere!!!" - misogynist man that's trying his best to distance himself from other misogynists because he doesn't want a target on his back.
"Yeah! Scan everyone's phones and get those sickos!!! Y'all got something to hide if you disagree!" - Man that's trying his best to distance himself from pedos because he himself is one and doesn't want a target on his back.
(See how ridiculous your statement is? It goes both ways. Maybe we should just listen to what people's concerns actually are instead of assuming everyone's got a hidden agenda)
You're saying my account will be breached? I have 2FA on.
I think you should ditch technology all together and just live your life. You worry too much.
I agree with what you said for the most part. Sometimes the people who are most vocal about being against something are doing it so that people think "They couldn't possibly be the person they're so against being".
Yes, I think it does sound ridiculous.
That being said, I think the people who are claiming some mass surveillance system being installed are a little off the deep end.
It's not some big conspiracy guys. It's just another feature and if it works as advertised, then it will be fine. Stop trying to make it out to be something that it's not.
Because the choice is between leaving an entire ecosystem of devices that many of us have spent literally a decade+ buying into vs. just putting up with it because the only alternative is extremely laborious (if we're being honest most people won't perceive a difference in how they use their device so that factors in; that doesn't make any of this right though and that doesn't make the "I don't see how it affects me" argument correct either).
I'm not directly affected by mass spying as of right now but that doesn't mean I shouldn't opposite it out of principle and out of historical precedent demonstrating it's a bad thing. I've never encountered a drunk driver but I still don't want them on the road. Only having a problem with something if it directly affects you as of this very second is the epitome of American style "the only person in the world is me" thinking. It's selfish and lazy.
What do you think that poll would be like if iOS was set up to support other actually private photo storage backends that are functionally identical to iCloud Photos? Similar to switching one note taking app for another on macOS for example. I guarantee that poll would look very, very different. You're ignoring the fact that over 50% of people on this poll alone say they're uncomfortable with it, and we're on the biggest Apple shilling/fan website on the planet.
The only possible way someone could genuinely try and claim "There's no proof any of these spying conspiracies will happen! It's a slippery slope fallacy!" is if they are willfully ignoring the many, many voices exposing the agenda of the government's domestic spying program.
I wonder why you, Jayson, and the rest of the pro scanning crowd are ignoring the new authoritarian Australian tech laws posted in this thread...
Nice ducking and Dodging of the question.
Still, yes. There are a lot of idiots. Catching the idiots is very low fruit for a system like Apple built.
Apple built an AM DBS to drive to get groceries. Wow.
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Way to misread what he wrote. You got it backwards. What he meant is that those the most vocal in support of these measures are actually the ones with something to hide. As an example, some very prominent "We need to be inclusive and have equality" voices are some of the most racist and toxic people I've come across.
Mass surveillance is already in place. Apple just enabled it even further by figuring out how to get people to accept directly scanning on-device.
Not saying it was. By the complexity it should be for more than the "idiots" as @Jayson A calls them. A lot of time, money, and effort for something that looks to catch as much as a basic Cloud scan.
Actually, less than a Cloud scan.
So you're saying that Facebook's server side scanning works fine in catching thousands of CSAM idiots? Then why does Apple need to scan locally at all?
That's exactly how I took it. The people who are most against said thing, is sometimes the said thing they're against. I understand exactly what he was saying and I agreed with it.
I already outlined why they're doing it locally, but people just say "they're in my home blah blah blah".
Because they are in your home blah blah blah? There is NO advantage to doing it locally, and if the screeching voices of turning off iCloud photos works so simply to prevent scanning, then anyone with a brain can defeat Apple's CSAM contraption with one setting?
Who says they're caught at all? Not every case submitted by Facebook means someone is caught.
No, I'm quite sure you got it backwards.
^ According to this, since the ones for scanning have something to hide, the ones opposed have nothing to hide. You might want to start cleaning up your collection
.I'm all for the scanning AND I have nothing to hide. Seriously, it's all pictures of my cats or my photography.No, I'm quite sure you got it backwards.
^ According to this, since the ones for scanning have something to hide, the ones opposed have nothing to hide. You might want to start cleaning up your collection
I'm saying it's possible, even with 2FA. A convincing email, fake website, and a fast actor. Gotcha.
The all in or all out is one of the reasons I never even considered the so called "service". I use OneDrive, sort my pictures into folders of my choosing, and can access them at any time on any device I own. There is an app for just about every operating system except Linux, and there I can still use OneDrive online. I am not "scared" at all. I simply will not use extensively a company that puts spyware on devices that I have purchased. MacOS and IOS are now back to being what they were to me years ago. A toy OS, not to be used for meaningful or serious work. I have Windows and Linux, I don't need Apple.
Once again... Repeat after me... It is about CHOICE! You choose what you upload to others cloud services to be scanned.
Apple has never given a choice. It’s always been all or nothing. That hasn’t changed. You can still turn it off if it scares you.
Well, at least you are admitting to what Apple is now. This is not what Apple, the rebel company started out to be. This is not what the Superbowl ad was about. Apple use to be against big brother. Steve Jobs was the pirate.
My guess would be that they thought it would bring them more money by sowing good will. They are now monitoring the backlash. For me, this is just the key to entry for them. I don't for a moment believe that they will stop with CSAM. For example, Cook is very much of the "rainbow" coalition. How long before he decides "hate speech" needs to be next on the list.
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