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pshufd

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2013
10,155
14,579
New Hampshire
One major disappointment with W11 for me is that they no longer have the weather app. It's been replaced by a weather widget and, if you click on it, it opens up edge and gives you a weather page that's bloated with stuff I don't care about. Fortunately Ventura is adding a weather app and I'm downloading Ventura beta to try it out.
 

mmomega

macrumors demi-god
Dec 30, 2009
3,888
2,101
DFW, TX
I'm wishing I could do the widgets on the desktop via Windows Vista era, instead of having 3rd party backgrounds and plugins.
Same on Mac OS, I'm not going to go push a very specific corner or icon to open a collection of widgety things.

Just let me pull the one's I want to my desktop and let them live there forever.
 
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pshufd

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2013
10,155
14,579
New Hampshire
I'm wishing I could do the widgets on the desktop via Windows Vista era, instead of having 3rd party backgrounds and plugins.
Same on Mac OS, I'm not going to go push a very specific corner or icon to open a collection of widgety things.

Just let me pull the one's I want to my desktop and let them live there forever.

I really don't like the concept of widgets as they are restrictive in size and flexibility in display. It's not bad on iPadOS as some widgets support larger styles and they are free-floating. One macOS, you only get them in notifications. I prefer standalone windows so I can place them wherever I want to and at the size I want.
 

Feyl

Cancelled
Aug 24, 2013
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Joke's on Microsoft. I still use Vista and my widgets work fine.
Vista is the best operating system from Microsoft and nobody can tell me otherwise. I started using it from betas and it never failed me. Plus it was the most beautiful of all Windows. It was so forward looking. But after Windows 7 the world decided to go primitive and started using the flat nightmare. And of course Apple decided to follow.
 
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nickdalzell1

macrumors 68030
Dec 8, 2019
2,787
1,670
I love Vista's UX but I HATED ABSOLUTELY HATED its wifi bug that was still a problem in Windows 10. The "unidentified network local access" bug. You couldn't even solve that with a static IP. The one PC I got left that runs Vista is a 2008 eMachines E-Tower that only has wired ethernet and that's the only reason it has reliable internet access today. I went through so many Vista netbooks that encountered that bug, and the only fix was to wipe and reinstall the entire thing only for it to happen again, and again, and again.

Windows 7 was the better of the two. It had the same basic UX, widgets included, and it seemed to have escaped that bug, only for Windows 10 to bring that bug back today (Work PC still does the whole 'earth with slash through it' issue which is the same thing and you have to restart it and it might last an hour at best) I for one have deleted the PC in my building there and now only have an old wind up analog clock, weather station (old style barometer, humidity, and temp) and an AM tube radio. Vintage tools including the old metal drills. I actually got far more work done this way than when I was relying on that Chinesium garbage stuff they call 'tools' today. I mean I was having wrenches breaking in half because they were METAL COATED PLASTIC.

I STILL HATE FLAT UI DESIGN. ENOUGH IT'S BEEN 10 PLUS YEARS ALREADY.

I'm getting far more comfortable old school. I am online less these days, and slowly phasing out technology with 1970s tech. I won't go as far as getting back old CRT TVs (not just because the good ones are all extinct, but all that's left is the early 2000s silver faced garbage plastic TVs) but I am enjoying the sound and character from wood stereo consoles (Magnavox Astro-Sonic on the office) and high-end stereo systems in the living room (Pioneer unit from the 70s with the light up dial and huge speakers).

I even activated the landline and use a rotary telephone at home. I'm trying to get away from smartphones entirely. Flip phones aren't good enough either since they're just smartphones in disguise running KaiOS or some derivative of Android base and look like utter crap. Can someone please make a decent modern RAZR V3 or a Sony Ericsson T-series that's VoLTE compliant?
 
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maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
73,682
43,740
I installed 22H2 on my Razer and I've been somewhat disappointed. They changed the task manager, its features were up front and easy to use are now different. They may not be bad, but its different enough my effeciency in using it out the window.

Games are not behaving as well as they used too, I was aware of this, but read that if you updated your nvidia drivers, that would resolve the issue. I'm having serious artifact issues on some screens while playing some games. For instance for some bizarre reason the map on cyberpunk 2077 is all but unusable given the garbage being display and you can't see the details. This was working prior to the update. razer synapse stopped working as well. That's not an app I use a lot but it is useful from time to time.
 

nickdalzell1

macrumors 68030
Dec 8, 2019
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1,670
I blocked all updates ages ago. Right when Windows 11 came out of beta. It's quite easy, take ownership of /Windows/system32 and remove all permissions from everything except 'users' and give 'users' full control, and set the wifi to 'metered'. It couldn't even update Edge if it wanted to. I didn't want to take any chances a bad UI 'redesign' snuck in. Plus it made the fans run far less.

Also, edit HOSTS to block all the windows update servers. I hate redesigns enough, but ain't no way I'm going to have things break because of some 'update'.
 

pshufd

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2013
10,155
14,579
New Hampshire
I'm pretty surprised at this. I assume that this is a Windows 11 update. I'm not used to Windows Update breaking things. I have had more problems with macOS major updates breaking things (though they fix the new bugs in maintenance releases). Can you go back?
 

diamond.g

macrumors G4
Mar 20, 2007
11,459
2,692
OBX
I'm pretty surprised at this. I assume that this is a Windows 11 update. I'm not used to Windows Update breaking things. I have had more problems with macOS major updates breaking things (though they fix the new bugs in maintenance releases). Can you go back?
Sometimes you can uninstall the update.
 

nickdalzell1

macrumors 68030
Dec 8, 2019
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I've only uninstalled updates if I used the Update Assistant to install them myself, and that was in Windows 10. I never allow Windows 11 to update so I don't know if it's still possible.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
73,682
43,740
Can you go back?
I'm at a point where I'll try to gut it out. Things have improved, with another update that was in my queue. I've tried Cyberpunk and things seem to be working as is Cities:Skylines. I'm rather concerned undoing it could do more harm and things seemed to have stabilized
 

diamond.g

macrumors G4
Mar 20, 2007
11,459
2,692
OBX
I'm at a point where I'll try to gut it out. Things have improved, with another update that was in my queue. I've tried Cyberpunk and things seem to be working as is Cities:Skylines. I'm rather concerned undoing it could do more harm and things seemed to have stabilized
I've read this latest update force enabled credential guard which would probably mess with anti cheat software.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
73,682
43,740
probably mess with anti cheat software.
That's good to know, but I don't use cheat software. I was using the Razer last night and things seemingly have improved. It could be me, or it could be 22H2, but I am noticing an odd delay in double clicking the game icon and the game starting up. Its just long enough for you to wonder if you didn't double click it and you want to re-double click.

I'll try it with some other apps, non-game stuff later and see if its just that, or my imagination as well.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
8,881
10,989
I installed 22H2 on my Razer and I've been somewhat disappointed. They changed the task manager, its features were up front and easy to use are now different. They may not be bad, but its different enough my effeciency in using it out the window.

Games are not behaving as well as they used too, I was aware of this, but read that if you updated your nvidia drivers, that would resolve the issue. I'm having serious artifact issues on some screens while playing some games. For instance for some bizarre reason the map on cyberpunk 2077 is all but unusable given the garbage being display and you can't see the details. This was working prior to the update. razer synapse stopped working as well. That's not an app I use a lot but it is useful from time to time.

The new taskbar made me change my accent color to storm (grey). That was stupid of MS. I don't want accent colors on the values unless it's for a purpose, like it used to be.


Before .....
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After ......

Screenshot_20221028_015532.png
 

ozaz

macrumors 68000
Feb 27, 2011
1,615
577
Is anyone else here running 21H2 and still hasn't been offered 22H2 by Windows update?
I'm still waiting :(
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
73,682
43,740
Is anyone else here running 21H2 and still hasn't been offered 22H2 by Windows update?
I'm still waiting :(
You can get it directly from MS if you're so inclined Just go to https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11

I think you need to [re]download the Windows 11 Installation Assistant.

I have it on my razer and there's some things I like and something I don't. I found some games perform worse, but after updating driver's like my graphics driver things seem to settle down. I'm not sure if I'm ready to download it on my desktop quite yet.

I do like the tabs that are in file explorer, and other minor refinements.
 
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nickdalzell1

macrumors 68030
Dec 8, 2019
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You can get the 22H2 update via the installation assistant. You don't have to wait. Just go to Microsoft's site and click the download Windows 11 option. It will give you an *.exe that gives the update post haste. Then it allows a rollback if you don't like it.

I just gave this update a test and it's gotten some small visual changes such as the icon for focus assist is now a bell with snooze symbols, instead of the moon, and new UI for the volume/screen brightness (finally ditched Windows 10's look) and I think tabs in the file explorer, but that's about all I've noticed so far.

Got a small bug (or is it a feature?) though. If my screen was dimmed before I put the PC to sleep (closed the laptop lid) when I wake it up it's at 100% blinding brightness and I have to dim it manually each time. Not sure if that's MS's way of saying 'Good Morning Sir!' because it's only doing this in the morning.

Also, there's new power efficiency settings to 'reduce carbon footprint' (which is kinda another example of them not being aware that animal agriculture accounts for at least 51% of global greenhouse gas emissions according to the World Bank, but let's just pick on those using incandescent bulbs, not letting laptops go to sleep, and driving ICE cars because at least everyone can still enjoy a steak, right?)
 
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ozaz

macrumors 68000
Feb 27, 2011
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577
You will not be offered this update if you don't have TPM2 and SecureBoot.

I think these requirements relate to upgrading from W10 to W11. I already meet these requirements.
I'm on W11 21H2 and not being offered 22H2 by Windows update.
 

ozaz

macrumors 68000
Feb 27, 2011
1,615
577
I do like the tabs that are in file explorer, and other minor refinements.

I just gave this update a test and it's gotten some small visual changes such as the icon for focus assist is now a bell with snooze symbols, instead of the moon, and new UI for the volume/screen brightness (finally ditched Windows 10's look) and I think tabs in the file explorer, but that's about all I've noticed so far.

I'm mainly interested in being able to group apps into folders on the start menu (I used this a lot in Windows 10) and trying out Android app integration (which I think needs 22H2 for those outside the US).

Got a small bug (or is it a feature?) though. If my screen was dimmed before I put the PC to sleep (closed the laptop lid) when I wake it up it's at 100% blinding brightness and I have to dim it manually each time. Not sure if that's MS's way of saying 'Good Morning Sir!' because it's only doing this in the morning.

I guess this type of thing is a reason to wait until offered via Windows Update.
 

nickdalzell1

macrumors 68030
Dec 8, 2019
2,787
1,670
I quite like the folders in Start. It reminds me of a Mac and Linux feature when you pull your launchpad up. It's a lot less cluttered than the groups of tiles on Windows 10. (of course anything's better than Windows 10...)
 
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