You mean what you never engage in?
Things seemed to go south with you when Apple released the iPad. The more positive the reaction was to it, the more you couldn't stand it.
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You mean what you never engage in?
Things seemed to go south with you when Apple released the iPad. The more positive the reaction was to it, the more you couldn't stand it.
https://forums.macrumors.com/search/?searchid=20155350
Agreed, he simply is unwilling to grasp that there is life outside of apple and apple can and does do wrong. Conversely that microsoft and google can and do things right. Windows 7 is one of them.
While I'm not a MS fan, I do think they have good products and good people, and it shows with win7
Dont bother arguing with LTD. He (or she? idk) has been blinded by Steve and there's no going back.
agreed
Apple figured out that volume is where the money is.
A $500 iPad is a decent price point for the masses while still netting a nice profit margin and big volume.
A $150 iPod Nano is a decent price point for the masses while still netting a nice profit margin and big volume.
Apple products are a bit more than a comparably spec'd competitor but once purchased the design, and especially the UI, makes it 'worth it'.
But an $1800, 15" laptop in that market will never be the big seller. (probably the same profit margin percentagwise anyway), though I would be curious to know the sales numbers on a Mac Mini.
I'm also a Win 7 user and its been the best of the bunch. The other one I liked as well was Win2k. XP was 'meh'.
Win 7 has so far delayed my move to a Mac Mini lol
I just figured a comparably equipped Windows laptop, at a lesser price, would eat up the volume in that market.But that's not the intended market of the MBP's, is it?
Again, I'm talking about volume sales
I must disagree. Volume isn't where the money is for Apple -- margin is where the money is.
Positive reaction? Yeah, I was a lone voice in the wilderness. Shall we have a look at those threads you speak of?
iPad Tech Specs: Cortex A8, 256MB Ram, PowerVR SGX 535: Rating (201 Positives; 323 Negatives)
Apple Sells Over 300,000 iPads on First Day: Rating (131 Positives; 70 Negatives)
More iPad First Impressions and Discussion: Rating (351 Positives; 333 Negatives)
Early iPad User Complaints: Weak Wi-Fi, Charging Issues: Rating (104 Positives; 224 Negatives)
I hope you're a child, as this slavish behaviour in an adult would be deeply embarrassing.
Apple has always been about margins and not volume. That's where dell and compaq got into deep weeds. They were more concerned about volume so much so they slashed their prices to see who could be #1 yet when the dust settled, hp bought compaq and dell is unable to make a decent profit because they've slashed their prices and cut enough corners that quality is a major issue.
apple conversely has been about making a very good product, albeit a bit pricey, but the quality and build is high, even if the number of units sold isn't as high as dells.
No where NEAR as high as it should be. Look at all the problems with 27" iMacs. Battery recalls. My first Mac is due it's THIRD palm wrest. Plus - for that money, they should be perfect. Can't use a USB stick + any other USB device in a mac laptop, disgusting expensive dongles for DL-DVI that don't work.
etc etc.
Apple fall a long way short of delivering value at their price points.
To be sure, they have stumbled lately but I think over all the build quality is still very high.
I don't blame them for the battery recalls, that's really sony's fault and batteries are blind item that there's no way to really know if a manufacturing issue was present.
To a smaller extent the MBP nvidia GPU issue is related but I think they mishandled that problem from a customer support perspective as well
unlike *LTD* I don't think apple is perfect, they generally make good products but its fair to say they have also made some significant mistakes over the years.
I don't blame them for the battery recalls, that's really sony's fault and batteries are blind item that there's no way to really know if a manufacturing issue was present.
To a smaller extent the MBP nvidia GPU issue is related but I think they mishandled that problem from a customer support perspective as well
unlike *LTD* I don't think apple is perfect, they generally make good products but its fair to say they have also made some significant mistakes over the years.
ROFL
Anyone who thinks MacRumors is a realistic barometer for anything is either a troll or needs their head examined.
These forums hardly reflect reality. The MacRumors bubble on the ass-end of the net is part of the slightly larger Apple forums bubble, which is almost an entirely isolated and self-sustained community of technophiles and moaners, probably with its very own weather system. In this universe people think the hackintosh community constitutes a major movement, that IP law didn't apply to Psystar, and that Apple can't succeed unless they offer a headless Mac. Hilarious!
Joe Public decides success or failure, not Windows trolls camping an Apple fansite.
I hope you'e reserved a 3G iPad. They're shipping May 7th. You wouldn't want to miss out.
Actually I think MR is a good and realistic barometer. The iPad suffered from over exuberance and once people started using it, they felt a fair amount of buyers remorse. Seeing negative posts here and elsewhere confirms this. Just because someone disagrees with you or happens to criticize apple doesn't make them a troll.
You are correct however in that the public will ultimately decide whether the iPad is a success or failure and its clearly too early to issue a verdict. Sale numbers are high but so isn't people selling/complaining and posting.
Just so that I understand your assertion... Apple has sold 500 THOUSAND iPads in how many days? And this shows that computer users DON'T like them? Talk all you want, results speak for themselves.
As an avid computer user of almost 3 DECADES (Commie 64, win286, OS2, BeOS, AmigaDOS, VaxVMS), I've used ALOT of computers and operating systems. My main system right now is an MBP running 10.6.3 and Win 7. I would love to own an iPad. I can think of hundreds of uses for it that would mean I don't have to lug my computer notebook around daily. Also, if it's lost/stolen/broken, I'm out about 20% the cost of a high end Mac notebook.
If Apple undersells iPads it shows nobody was interested, and the iPad was a bad idea. If Apple breaks records selling them, it's over exuberance and buyers remorse, and nobody really want's iPads. Uhm, okay...
I travel in my line of work. I've seen no less than three iPads everyday I'm at an airport/on an airplane. The people that have them always get asked about them. The people that have them spend time talking about how great they are, the features, how easy they are to use, how they are worth the money. I've not heard ONE iPad owner tell people about what it can't do, what it doesn't have, how it isn't worth the money.
If I had to choose between an anonymous review of a product in a forum on a website, or a review with a daily user in person... Do I even need to explain why I would listen to the in person recommendation?
Anyway, as everyone has already stated, time will tell (and has told).
I'm not saying its a bad product - heck I may get one myself.
My point is that I've seen a fair number of negative posts in my surfing. I've also seen a higher then expected # of them being sold, some of which are from folks just looking to sell and not trying to make a profit like some of those ebay auctions.
I'm not quite sold that there's enough of a market for a device that sits between a laptop and a phone, but apple has a lot of smart people who seem to believe there is and I agree selling so many units is a very good sign. I just wonder if many of those sales were the result of over exuberance rather then the device fitting a need.
My point is that I've seen a fair number of negative posts in my surfing. I've also seen a higher then expected # of them being sold, some of which are from folks just looking to sell and not trying to make a profit like some of those ebay auctions.
I'm not quite sold that there's enough of a market for a device that sits between a laptop and a phone, but apple has a lot of smart people who seem to believe there is and I agree selling so many units is a very good sign. I just wonder if many of those sales were the result of over exuberance rather then the device fitting a need.
Your whole point was that I became enraged in these threads by a "positive reaction" to the iPad. Is it not hypocrisy for you to then use these "positive reactions" as a barometer? Negative reactions, one assumes, are the results of crazy Windows trolls or those unrealistic apple freaks that you mention above. On your planet it appears that you acknowledge only those opinions that echo your own blinkered view.
BTW, would you mind heading back over to this thread? You started another tragic little "microsoft suckzzz" non-story then ran off.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/877789/
I think it acts as a perfect little snapshot of the mind of an überfanboy
Well there certainly was a massive buildup to it. The exuberance and anticipation was really something else. I'd be interested to see when Apple hits the million sales mark and how that figure compares with initial iPhone sales, for example.
I doubt many people buy Apple products based exclusively on needs. The "want!" factor of Apple products is usually pretty high.
I'm glad your experience with Windows 7 is good.
My experience:
I installed it, booted Windows 7 for the first time ever: There was no sound, no video graphics drivers, no webcam drivers and the computer crashed each time I opened control panel (blue screen of death). I spent a week on it figuring out each and every problem, I've gotten it to a point where there is sound at least and the screen is recognised, however, there is still no webcam and it still crashes each and every time I open Control Panel. My opinion is that Windows XP is still a very good OS and if ever I am going to use Windows in my life, I will use XP. Of course, compared to XP, OS X is lightyears ahead, but Windows 7 for me is unusable. And it's very, very damn ugly. I think XP's design is great, simple, customisable and if you know where to tweak the registry and all, it's a great and fairly stable system.
OS X however is perfectly designed in a way that suits my taste and the way everything works is almost always the way I like. I don't feel OS X lacks any features. I just wish it were more stable, then I would be perfectly happy!
My experience:
I installed it, booted Windows 7 for the first time ever: There was no sound, no video graphics drivers, no webcam drivers and the computer crashed each time I opened control panel (blue screen of death). I spent a week on it figuring out each and every problem, I've gotten it to a point where there is sound at least and the screen is recognised, however, there is still no webcam and it still crashes each and every time I open Control Panel. My opinion is that Windows XP is still a very good OS and if ever I am going to use Windows in my life, I will use XP. Of course, compared to XP, OS X is lightyears ahead, but Windows 7 for me is unusable. And it's very, very damn ugly. I think XP's design is great, simple, customisable and if you know where to tweak the registry and all, it's a great and fairly stable system.
OS X however is perfectly designed in a way that suits my taste and the way everything works is almost always the way I like. I don't feel OS X lacks any features. I just wish it were more stable, then I would be perfectly happy!
Windows is still Windows, no getting around that, but completely unusable? Or just barely usable? Seems it hates your hardware, but I'd imagine Windows 7 would still run at least half-decently on almost everything out there.
As for its looks . . . Windows 7 looks like a multiple-clown homicide. Colours all over the place, transparency-glass-hell. Looks like it was designed by Flava Flav on a bender.
You're talking about capturing approximately *25% of the population. That's 25% of the population that has never used a computer and doesn't have an investment in windows.
Right now, the computer market is pretty saturated. Computers have multiple points of entry, so there isn't much of a barrier price wise. The remainder of non-users are those who want an easy, thought free computing experience. They want to type some e-mails, surf the web and maybe do a little light word processing. In a sense, these people are the future of computing.
*Based on the fact that approximately 75% of this country is on the internet. These people either own or have access to a computer.
I don't game, don't do media production and don't run a server. A lot of people I work with don't do most of these things either. Your list applies to a small percentage of the computer using population, but certainly not all of it.
A number of people use their computer to surf the web, write/forward e-mails, watch youtube and do some light word processing. These things are all doable with the iPad.
So you are not a fan of Windows. Okay, great, good job your on Mac then.
There is no need to criticise the people who do like it it. As you have said before, the selling figures that count more than people's opinions. Remember this?
Well.... Windows 7 is selling better than OS X. In fact it's doing better than Vista. It's gonna be the next most popular OS. I admit, Windows 7 is very good, I just prefer OS X out of opinion and my job.
You are a hypocritical troll who is dragging down the this forum's standards to total fanboyism.
I'd never thought I'd say that, but after the post you have just posted, which was fully based on your opinions and going against your rule that it's all about sales figures, which you have constantly told everyone, I cannot take you seriously at all.
Well why the hell do you think Windows sells? It comes with every PC known to mankind. Duh!
Bargain Bin Ballmer selling PCs loaded with Windows on the cheap. Every PC under the sun comes loaded with Windows. Shocking.
Microsoft licenses their OS universally. Apple does not.
I should hope they sold record numbers of Windows 7!!
It's hundreds of millions of PC users waiting for the Vista nightmare to be over. What did you expect? Poor sales of Windows 7?? What are the alternatives offered by MS? XP and Vista. One is an 8+ year old dog of an OS, the other is a massive flop. That's hundreds of millions of PC users dying for an upgrade after years of getting the shaft. And Apple's Premium end of the market has natural barriers to entry, starting with the $1000 minimum fee. Apple doesn't compete in the market segments occupied mostly by MS. Of course, Apple is now transitioning away from the traditional desktop computer + desktop OS paradigm.
PC users outnumber all others, and always have, whether MS released a good OS or a lousy one - PCs are cheap and now more disposable than ever (netbooks.) The bottom of the retail pyramid is always the widest. The biggest computer-using segment uses PCs. Now throw in an OS that fixes Vista and by sheer force of numbers alone (volume) you'll sell in vast quantities.
There's nothing special here. Just the massive number of PC users who suffered for years, now jumping at the chance to upgrade. It's nothing new, miraculous or groundbreaking.
It makes no difference whether it succeeds or fails. PC users, by virtue of the low cost of entry into the PC market alone, will always outnumber users of all other platforms. Windows will always sell well, in whatever form, because it can run on the cheapest hardware - and this is what you find the most of. But now, we're seeing highly concentrated sales of a particular version (good news) because everyone was waiting to upgrade and end the XP/Vista pain, which lasted far, far too long.
Apple doesn't whore out OS X to every hardware maker, and the entry-fee starts at around $1000, not counting the mini. Apple owns the Premium end, and posts record quarterly sales (in a recession) as well as record YOY sales. Now THOSE figures are impressive, especially when consumers have cheaper options. Never mind Windows that ships with everything, especially whatever's infesting the bottom of the market.
Anecdotally, I just don't see that, neither in the several Macs that I own, nor my family/friends.
I'd challenge you to provide objective data indicating a Mac build quality problem. Not saying it doesn't exist, I just haven't seen anything outside of the "MacRumors Technobubble and Complaint Department" to suggest that that's the case out in the real world.