Windows 7 is actually pretty nice, now worried about Mac

[Rodimus Prime]

So you are not a fan of Windows. Okay, great, good job your on Mac then.

There is no need to criticise the people who do like it it. As you have said before, the selling figures that count more than people's opinions. Remember this?

Well.... Windows 7 is selling better than OS X. In fact it's doing better than Vista. It's gonna be the next most popular OS. I admit, Windows 7 is very good, I just prefer OS X out of opinion and my job.

You are a hypocritical troll who is dragging down the this forum's standards to total fanboyism.

I'd never thought I'd say that, but after the post you have just posted, which was fully based on your opinions and going against your rule that it's all about sales figures, which you have constantly told everyone, I cannot take you seriously at all.

Welcome to the fantasy world of *LTD* where if it does not have an Apple label on it then it automatically sucks.

Point out things plus about a none iPhone he will says Look how many apps the iphone has and make a big deal about quantity over quality.
If you do the revese about windows having more software and games he will scream Apple apps are better (Quality over Quantity)

It boils down to this in his world. Apple label means it is great even if it is Dog crap with an apple label on it. He would sing it praises and find articles supporting it. Any one else he will find any article he can bashing it.

 

[roadbloc]

Well why the hell do you think Windows sells? It comes with every PC known to mankind. Duh!
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None of that was my point. I know exactly why Windows sells. My point is, is that you are a hypocrite.

Welcome to the fantasy world of *LTD* where if it does not have an Apple label on it then it automatically sucks.

This.

 

[*LTD*]

Welcome to the fantasy world of *LTD* where if it does not have an Apple label on it then it automatically sucks.

Point out things plus about a none iPhone he will says Look how many apps the iphone has and make a big deal about quantity over quality.
If you do the revese about windows having more software and games he will scream Apple apps are better (Quality over Quantity)

It boils down to this in his world. Apple label means it is great even if it is Dog crap with an apple label on it. He would sing it praises and find articles supporting it. Any one else he will find any article he can bashing it.

App quantity/availability in the realm of mobile devices is a *major* selling point at this stage in the game. We've barely entered the App Store age, and for now, it's all about how many apps your platform has. Apple will naturally boast about it for a period of time until the focus shifts. Despite all that Apple has accomplished in this area, we're still in the building stages where things are getting fleshed out. Palm's barely alive and Microsoft has no mobile platform on the market as of yet aside from hold-over crap that keeps getting dumped onto new hardware with at best, mixed results.

Unfortunately, the competition can't seem to match the iPhone's sweet-spot combination of hardware+software, so right out of the gate it's tough for them to make a real dent in the app market if the device and user-exerperience out front isn't up to snuff. Android is on its way, though, and hopefully Google can keep its lineup from getting too watered-down. We're still waiting, however, for any ONE Android-based phone to outsell the iPhone.

In terms of apps the best of the bunch also happen to be on Apple's App Store because most of the developers out there are developing for the iPhone. Surprise, surprise . . . you release a great mobile device and that in turn grows your developer base, and keeps growing it. Take the App Store and add to that the iPhone's User Experience benefits and you've got the most comprehensive and user-friendly consumer mobile platform on the planet. This is where the quality part kicks in, regardless of quantity. All the great apps are on the App Store, combined with the iPhone itself. It's quite a combination.

Once you begin to wrap your head around this then maybe you'll understand why stuff with an Apple logo on it is so well-received. If it's got an Apple logo on it, you can be pretty sure about a few things right out of the gate. Suckage is not one of them. Apple has a reputation and it's only natural to expect them to stick to it.

i can't think of anyone around here who *wants* it to be a crap-shoot with Apple, but if someone does they're in for a lot of disappointment.

 

[Dooger]

Welcome to the fantasy world of *LTD* where if it does not have an Apple label on it then it automatically sucks.

It boils down to this in his world. Apple label means it is great even if it is Dog crap with an apple label on it. He would sing it praises and find articles supporting it. Any one else he will find any article he can bashing it.

None of that was my point. I know exactly why Windows sells. My point is, is that you are a hypocrite.

Pwnage. *LTD* is just a spoilt child, let him yabber on long enough and he'll provide enough rope to hang himself.

 

[maflynn]

Anecdotally, I just don't see that, neither in the several Macs that I own, nor my family/friends.

I'd challenge you to provide objective data indicating a Mac build quality problem. Not saying it doesn't exist, I just haven't seen anything outside of the "MacRumors Technobubble and Complaint Department" to suggest that that's the case out in the real world.

27" iMac is a great example

 

[entatlrg]

From my experience, both Hardware and Software Apple ALL THE WAY!

I just made the mistake of buying the new Sony Z to try out, it was a huge let down, the Sony hardware itself and Win7 as well. I've tried Win7 off and on for months now, to me it's just de-bugged vista ....

Not for me for sure, I've learned my lesson and won't ever go back to PC.

It's a personal choice, why argue? And then only those who should comment should have ample experience with both OS's and the hardware offered for each, after all that it's based on your use and personal preference.

No one is right or wrong as long as they select the right computer for their needs. The problem here and many other forums is misleading info ... someone who really wants to know needs to try both for themselves, at least go to an Apple store and spend some time on Windows PC's and Win7 too ... then you'll choose the machine that's right for you and forum bantering like this will end forever .... in a perfect world maybe

 

[roadbloc]

Once you begin to wrap your head around this then maybe you'll understand why stuff with an Apple logo on it is so well-received. If it's got an Apple logo on it, you can be pretty sure about a few things right out of the gate. Suckage is not one of them. Apple has a reputation and it's only natural to expect them to stick to it.

1. Read the xfire forums again, Apple products are not always well received.

2. I bought an 160GB iPod, expecting it to last me 10 years at the very least. It cost me an arm and a leg, you have no idea how long I saved up for it. It broke and Apple failed to see the problem with it (umm... it wouldn't sync or play my music, probably due to a faulty HD,) and refused to fix it. My iPod and the customer service I received was the definition of suckage. I sold it for a fraction of the price I bought it as spares and repairs.

Oh yeah, you only deal in figures don't you? Not opinions. Not what people actually think. My mistake.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't hate Apple. I'm annoyed at my iPod, I think they are making some pretty insane business decisions recently, and they are gonna have to impress me a lot for me to buy another one of their products, but my MacBook is the best laptop I have ever had, and I am glad a bought it.

But with you, it seems if Steve Jobs took a ***** and stuck an Apple logo on it, you'd love it.

 

[Hmac]

27" iMac is a great example

Sorry, I just can't bring myself to see that as a trend.

Surely you must have some data to show that this is an ongoing or worsening scenario re: Apple hardware. It must be out there, if it exists.

 

[Hmac]

1. Read the xfire forums again, Apple products are not always well received.

I do a lot of gaming, and I'm familiar with Xfire. I'm a little skeptical of the validity of their opinion of Apple products, given that the vast majority of XFire participants are PC gamers, and the average age appears to be about 14.

I don't dispute that Apple products aren't universally well-received in the computer world. That has never, ever, ever been the case, and as long as they have less than 10% of the computer market (as is their stated objective) then they never will be. Anyway, I doubt that Apple cares a whit about how they're perceived by anyone. What they care about is making a good product that they like, and how much money they make selling it. They're pretty happy on both scores these days.

 

[maflynn]

Sorry, I just can't bring myself to see that as a trend.

Fine, but while you cannot bring yourself to accept that. Clearly apple has, in that they acknowledged the problem.

 

[*LTD*]

1. Read the xfire forums again, Apple products are not always well received.

For any accuracy at all, don't use internet tech forums as your barometer when it comes to market opinion. They don't reflect reality. Especially a gamer-forum, of all places.

Fine, but while you cannot bring yourself to accept that. Clearly apple has, in that they acknowledged the problem.

Yes, they acknowledged it, but it wasn't a trend, nor does it signal one. It was an issue that was resolved. The old iBooks had issues here and there as well, but for the most part Apple hardware unit for unit is perfectly fine. The yearly customer satisfaction reports easily bear this out. Apple consistently places at the top in satisfaction and reliability over all of their major product lines. That's just the way it is.

 

[roadbloc]

For any accuracy at all, don't use internet tech forums as your barometer when it comes to market opinion. They don't reflect reality. Especially a gamer-forum, of all places.

Oh, right, I see. Their opinions don't count? Well, it seems in that case Apple products are always well received then.

I hope you make it to Apple heaven *LTD*. I'm sick of your fanboyism. Cya.

 

[danielcox]

Windows 7 is a great OS, Vista is a good OS and OS X 10.6 is a great OS.

 

[*LTD*]

Oh, right, I see. Their opinions don't count?

Even though they're certainly entitled to them, no they don't count in terms of an accurate barometer of the market. For the simple reason that in terms of the market at large they represent a minority. Just like those that frequent Apple fan sites and tech sites in general.

Meanwhile Apple is about to have their best second quarter ever. Stay tuned tomorrow.

 

[H00513R]

Windows 7 is definitely nice, but I don't see it as replacing OS X. I think Windows has finally started to catch up in terms of features and design.

 

[clevin]

No, they are not.

lol, by reading macrumors in tha past 4 years, Im amazed you would defend apple's QC at this time.

From my experience, both Hardware and Software Apple ALL THE WAY!

i agree with your statements that I didn't quote. However, I do want to point out that apple doesn't make any hardware itself, the inside of a mac is just middle level PC parts in terms of quality.

 

[dejo]

lol, by reading macrumors in tha past 4 years, Im amazed you would defend apple's QC at this time.

Because MacRumors is an accurate representation of Apple's QC...

 

[clevin]

Because MacRumors is an accurate representation of Apple's QC...

indeed, as accurate as whatever windows forum that have been quoted by people who claims pc are craps.

of course, I personally also experienced MB discoloration, RSS, battery death problems. Well I haven't have any problem with my windows laptops so far.

 

[*LTD*]

Because MacRumors is an accurate representation of Apple's QC...

MacRumors is a haven for moaners and the perennially out-of-touch. Only a small group around here are able to grasp reality.

When the Psystar case broke, people around here went nuts, claiming it's the end of Apple's "evil" control, and that the little underdog Psystar will make huge waves. The general public didn't even know about it. If they did it barely registered, never mind be important enough for people to care about. All of a sudden everyone was a hackintosh user and we were told that the hackintosh movement was gathering strength and was at the vanguard of open computing, etc. Users were posting their specs and telling us all how wonderful and liberating it is, and how heroic some dime-store computer parts company was for ripping off Apple's IP.

Turns out the whole affair was just a blip on the radar screen, nothing happened, barely anyone outside noticed, and hackintosh users still comprised less than a fraction of the market. So what *really* happened? Apple went on to sell more Macs than ever.

When an individual around here says "I've been experiencing this, that etc.", and causes you to worry, then just refer to more reliable sources: Apple's quarterly reports, yearly satisfaction and reliability reports, etc. Follow the majority opinion, but steer clear of tech enthusiast sites. A few people on here complaining and causing a fuss can easily make it seem like the sky is falling, when in fact nothing of any real consequence has happened.

 

[kernkraft]

Macrumors is a haven for moaners and the perennially out-of-touch. Only a small group around here are able to grasp reality.

In which group would you place yourself?

 

[maflynn]

i agree with your statements that I didn't quote. However, I do want to point out that apple doesn't make any hardware itself, the inside of a mac is just middle level PC parts in terms of quality.

I was wondering when somebody was going to raise that little tid bit of information.

 

[Dooger]

Even though they're certainly entitled to them, no they don't count in terms of an accurate barometer of the market. For the simple reason that in terms of the market at large they represent a minority. Just like those that frequent Apple fan sites and tech sites in general.

Do you just pluck this stuff out of the air? You have no evidence whatsoever as to the accuracy of which a website such as MR reflects the views of the general public.

And according to you, the market itself does not count as an accurate barometer. Win7 sells by the cartload but it's just nasty old MS crowbarring its OS into cheap computers to be bought by the tech-unsavvy proles whose opinion you're so protective of when they're buying iPads by the boatload.

MacRumors is a haven for moaners and the perennially out-of-touch. Only a small group around here are able to grasp reality.

I could go find another example but this one made me laugh so I'll use it again. I'm assuming that you're one of the small group in touch with reality. Which is why I must thank you for posting this story Roughly 10% of Microsoft employees said to be iPhone owners
What an utterly pathetic waste of time and space. If this is what you mean by a grasp of reality then I think I'll stick with the out-of-touch majority.

 

[funwithamar]

Windows 7 is definitely nice, but I don't see it as replacing OS X. I think Windows has finally started to catch up in terms of features and design.

i totally agree , and its a good thing, one more force to push steve and apple folks to do better

 

[*LTD*]

Do you just pluck this stuff out of the air? You have no evidence whatsoever as to the accuracy of which a website such as MR reflects the views of the general public.

LOL, are you new to MacRumors?

I could go find another example but this one made me laugh so I'll use it again. I'm assuming that you're one of the small group in touch with reality. Which is why I must thank you for posting this story Roughly 10% of Microsoft employees said to be iPhone owners
What an utterly pathetic waste of time and space. If this is what you mean by a grasp of reality then I think I'll stick with the out-of-touch majority.

The very site YOU frequent, posted the story on page one.

https://www.macrumors.com/2010/03/15/10-of-microsoft-employees-using-iphones/

Then we have all this:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703455804575057651922457356.html

Despite Mr. Ballmer's theatrics, iPhone users are in plain sight at Microsoft. At the sprawling campus here in a Seattle suburb, workers peck away on their iPhone touch-screens in conference rooms, cafeterias and lobbies. Among the top Microsoft executives who use the iPhone is J Allard, who helped create the Xbox game console and is chief experience officer for the entertainment and devices division.

Nearly 10,000 iPhone users were accessing the Microsoft employee email system last year, say two people who heard the estimates from senior Microsoft executives. That figure equals about 10% of the company's global work force.

http://www.igotechnews.com/2010/03/roughly-10-of-microsoft-employees-said-to-be-iphone-neowin-net/

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=17891

http://www.overclockersclub.com/news/26224/

http://www.findmysoft.com/news/Micr...t-Employees-Use-an-iPhone-Hide-it-from-Execs/

Looks like everyone ran it:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=microsoft+10%+iphones&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=


The reason everyone and their dog picked up this story is very simple: irony. Sweet, delicious irony. The very phone that Bargain-Bin Ballmer laughed off in 2007 (after which he proceeded to extol the virtues of Microsoft's now utterly defunct WinMo strategy) is now doing the rounds at his very company, and can be seen in the hands of some top execs.

The story is special because of Ballmer. He's a special guy, as we all know, and we can't wait to hear his predictions. So as with Michael Dell, whenever Ballmer is proven wrong (or rather, an idiot), the Apple community takes especial delight in it. It seems the rest of the tech world does, too.

 

[dejo]

indeed, as accurate as whatever windows forum that have been quoted by people who claims pc are craps.

Nice strawman there.

of course, I personally also experienced MB discoloration, RSS, battery death problems. Well I haven't have any problem with my windows laptops so far.

Don't confuse your personal experience with the average experience.