Windows XP Booting on Mac Contest Over

[Mr. Zarniwoop]

FAT vs. NTFS

But doesn't FAT only support up to 32GB??

That would be a bummer for all the 40GB and 60GB iPods for Windows that use FAT!

FAT32 (introduced in 1996 with an update to Windows 95) is limited to 8TB volumes, but a maximum 4GB file size. However, the FAT32 formatting support in Windows 2000 and XP is limited to drives of 32GB, which effectively forces users of modern hard drives either to use NTFS or to format the drive using other tools outside Windows. One workaround to this involves using a version of mkdosfs that has been ported from Linux to Windows.

Also, the current OS X seems to be able to read, but not write, NTFS volumes. They have a maximum 16EB volume size, same as HFS+. (1 exabyte = 1,024 petabytes = 1,048,576 terrabytes)

 

[aegisdesign]

why would anyone buy a mac if they intended to use windows to run applications? this whole theory that software development will cease to exist is ridiculous... apple exists because it has a superior OS, not because their hardware is superior to the windows world (and is alot more expensive!).

point in case- why does anyone support Linux when Windows has been around for over a decade, running on the same hardware? or vice versa... nothing will change. The only thing that might receive less attention is games.. but with how weak it is to begin with, who the hell cares- they're going to run faster through XP regardless.

You'll notice that Linux doesn't have very many mainstream applications on it.

I'll take a couple of examples of why being able to run Windows is a BAD THING.

1) I'm an engineer. My company wants me to produce drawings in AutoCAD format but since there is no MacOSX version I would normally run VectorWorks or some other Mac only product that can produce AutoCAD files even if there may be slight problems. Now that I can run it natively on Windows, I'll use AutoCAD instead of buying the comparative Mac product. The Mac CAD developers die off gradually.

2) I'm a 3D artist. There's a kick ass product for 3D only on Windows. I boot into Windows and use that instead of buying a comparable OSX product. 3D Mac app developers who don't want to compete for a dwindling market drop out of the market.

3) I'm an accountant. Not content with MYOB, Incognito or the mess that is Quicken on the Mac, I boot into Windows and run Sage. Mac accountancy software dies off even more than the poor state it is today.

I hope you can see why being able to run Windows applications at full speed is a bad thing for the Mac market in general. It may not be bad for users in the short term but in the medium to long term you want strong Mac development, even if it means that excludes the heavyweights from the Windows world. Many Mac only developers exist because the big Windows only companies don't bother with the Mac.

 

[tdar]

Since the forums are back up, I downloaded the xom.efi Blanka made for MacMini. Here's the file.
EDIT: Why isn't MR accepting my upload? Its only 120KB
Drivers from my post at onmac forums:
Wireless: http://tinyurl.com/jxqsn
Ethernet: http://www.marvell.com/drivers/upload/SetupYukonWin_x32_v84923.zip


*WARNING* to MacMini users: Do not install Intel Video drivers! They will render your install useless and you'll have to start over.

Steve: I think I found the video driver for the Mac book and the Imac....

The launch partner for the X1600 mobility was (is) ASUS. The launch laptop is the ASUS A7G

http://www.ati.com/buy/promotions/AsusA7G/index.html

If you look on the ASUS support pages for the A7G you will find:
Graphics Driver
ATI Graphics driver for WinXP

the current version is v8.204 (dated 2/21/2006)

I'm downloading now even though I don't yet have my Imac to look at the driver files...

 

[Steve1496]

Steve: I think I found the video driver for the Mac book and the Imac....

The launch partner for the X1600 mobility was (is) ASUS. The launch laptop is the ASUS A7G

http://www.ati.com/buy/promotions/AsusA7G/index.html

If you look on the ASUS support pages for the A7G you will find:
Graphics Driver
ATI Graphics driver for WinXP

the current version is v8.204 (dated 2/21/2006)

I'm downloading now even though I don't yet have my Imac to look at the driver files...

Are these the catalyst drivers? If they are, they probably won't work. But I will try and see if I can find someone can test them.

 

[PtMD]

Since the forums are back up, I downloaded the xom.efi Blanka made for MacMini. Here's the file.

Any idea where I can find the xom.efi file for the MBP? I tried the one packaged with the release and had no joy.

 

[tdar]

Are these the catalyst drivers? If they are, they probably won't work. But I will try and see if I can find someone can test them.

file name is VGA_XP_060221.zip

 

[jared_kipe]

Steve: I think I found the video driver for the Mac book and the Imac....

The launch partner for the X1600 mobility was (is) ASUS. The launch laptop is the ASUS A7G

http://www.ati.com/buy/promotions/AsusA7G/index.html

If you look on the ASUS support pages for the A7G you will find:
Graphics Driver
ATI Graphics driver for WinXP

the current version is v8.204 (dated 2/21/2006)

I'm downloading now even though I don't yet have my Imac to look at the driver files...

The mini doesn't use an X1600, but if it did it would be bad ass.

 

[Detlev]

Booting up Windows is something to be done only when there's no other option.

Or maybe when you want to use the majority of software on the market or use a better version of a product that is available on the Mac only by default or you have use commercial services that do not support the Mac platform. His explanation was quite on target.

Look at how many people are already trying it. The gate has opened. It will take some refining but it's done. This is better than most sci-fi movies. Resistance is futile, you are being assimilated.

 

[williedigital]

supposing they wanted to, could M$ kill this with windows updates?

 

[macidiot]

It's possible on certain Intel chipsets, but it's illegal, whereas running XP on an intel mac is not.

Maybe I'm missing something, but assuming the person purchased a copy of osx, why would it be illegal? It might void any sort of warranty or support, but I'm pretty sure you won't go to jail...

 

[adese]

okay so

Is there a way of doing this without using that Nero burn file? what are the steps for that?



so macrumors main page is saying that this will work with 20" models but I'm seeing many posts saying this is not the case...

 

[tdar]

supposing they wanted to, could M$ kill this with windows updates?

no and why whould they?

 

[CompUser]

New challange, make OS X and Windows XP run at the same time. Have 1/2 the screen be for windows, the other half be for mac os x.

 

[mrplow]

You'll notice that Linux doesn't have very many mainstream applications on it.

I'll take a couple of examples of why being able to run Windows is a BAD THING.

1) I'm an engineer. My company wants me to produce drawings in AutoCAD format but since there is no MacOSX version I would normally run VectorWorks or some other Mac only product that can produce AutoCAD files even if there may be slight problems. Now that I can run it natively on Windows, I'll use AutoCAD instead of buying the comparative Mac product. The Mac CAD developers die off gradually.

2) I'm a 3D artist. There's a kick ass product for 3D only on Windows. I boot into Windows and use that instead of buying a comparable OSX product. 3D Mac app developers who don't want to compete for a dwindling market drop out of the market.

3) I'm an accountant. Not content with MYOB, Incognito or the mess that is Quicken on the Mac, I boot into Windows and run Sage. Mac accountancy software dies off even more than the poor state it is today.

I hope you can see why being able to run Windows applications at full speed is a bad thing for the Mac market in general. It may not be bad for users in the short term but in the medium to long term you want strong Mac development, even if it means that excludes the heavyweights from the Windows world. Many Mac only developers exist because the big Windows only companies don't bother with the Mac.

You're an engineer who does CAD while holding down a job as a 3d animation artist and yet you find time to perform as an accountant!?!


... point being, don't speak on behalf of a group(s) of people of which you are not a part! To think that this hack will be mainstream is ludicrously stupid... I'm having enough trouble getting the partition scheme to work, muchless think that more than .05% of the mac community would even attempt this much less be successful. My friends can't even copy DVDs with automated apps much less patch/reburn an XP disk and then reform their drive inorder to apply an EFI patch to which they then use that patched XP install.

 

[janstett]

There is a good question...has anyone tried a PC game like Battlefield 2 to see what happens? Lots of PC games (Mac games included) do some funky direct-hardware calls to video cards and such for performance reasons. Be interesting to see how well something like that runs.

Nobody does direct hardware calls anymore. DirectX has been in place for more than 10 years for this purpose -- it provides an abstraction layer which people write the games to, and it does provide direct access in a manner of sorts (direct access to hardware buffers) but it abstracts cards (so you don't need to know if the user has an nVidia or an ATI) and it also gives a software implementation of things the card doesn't do in hardware. These DirectX drivers are part of the general video display driver installation.

Which is where the current problems are -- getting proper display drivers for the ATI in the intel Macs.

 

[Maaij]

Since the forums are back up, I downloaded the xom.efi Blanka made for MacMini. Here's the file.
EDIT: Why isn't MR accepting my upload? Its only 120KB
Drivers from my post at onmac forums:
Wireless: http://tinyurl.com/jxqsn
Ethernet: http://www.marvell.com/drivers/upload/SetupYukonWin_x32_v84923.zip


*WARNING* to MacMini users: Do not install Intel Video drivers! They will render your install useless and you'll have to start over.

Steve: Can you sent me the xom.efi for the mac mini? Maaij28ATgmail.com

thanx

 

[plinden]

What I find funny about this is how easy it was to effectively add EFI support to Windows XP, yet MS can't do it for Vista.

 

[xJus10x]

Hey guys I can't read through these 23 pages lol.... I'm just wondering what this means for gaming? Right now the only game I can play on my PB is WoW, does this mean if I buy an iMac I would be able to run PC games too? I can only hope....

 

[tdar]

What I find funny about this is how easy it was to effectively add EFI support to Windows XP, yet MS can't do it for Vista.

It's not that they can't add EFI support to 32 bit Vista ,it's that there is no point in doing so. I would bet you can not find ONE 32 bit system (PC) that has EFI support with out a CSM.....EFI support will come as we move to a 64 bit world. We are not there yet.

 

[baylormac]

Still no luck

I still cannot make a MS-DOS (FAT) partition from Disk Utility on the Install Disk.

My media has Disk Utility 10.5.4 build 198.9

Can someone who has successfully made a MS-DOS partition check their version for me?

 

[jared_kipe]

What I find funny about this is how easy it was to effectively add EFI support to Windows XP, yet MS can't do it for Vista.

I've been thinking the same thing. Microsoft is so Lazy, I personally think Vista is gonna flop. They'll be lucky to get 10% or NEW users running Vista. Most people won't care/won't have good enough computers/won't like vista.

The thing about Vista I don't get is that they don't have anything "new" in it. I mean it both being that they have taken lots of OSX ideas, and that the added content is so so. For XP it was like, "oh wow NTFS, thats gonna be awesome". But name one "feature" of Vista that is even slightly technologically advanced (other than its HIDIOUS GUI)? Only one I can think of is protected environment for IE, but is that really a feature or a bug fix?

 

[tdar]

I've been thinking the same thing. Microsoft is so Lazy, I personally think Vista is gonna flop. They'll be lucky to get 10% or NEW users running Vista. Most people won't care/won't have good enough computers/won't like vista.

The thing about Vista I don't get is that they don't have anything "new" in it. I mean it both being that they have taken lots of OSX ideas, and that the added content is so so. For XP it was like, "oh wow NTFS, thats gonna be awesome". But name one "feature" of Vista that is even slightly technologically advanced (other than its HIDIOUS GUI)? Only one I can think of is protected environment for IE, but is that really a feature or a bug fix?

you are so wrong.....Vista is LOADED with new things....And had added "plumbing" for many more.

WinFX is not new?
WinFS support is not new?
WDDM is not new?

 

[jared_kipe]

It's not that they can't add EFI support to 32 bit Vista ,it's that there is no point in doing so. I would bet you can not find ONE 32 bit system (PC) that has EFI support with out a CSM.....EFI support will come as we move to a 64 bit world. We are not there yet.

That goes with all new hardware. You don't say "oh we're not going to support it cause nobody has it". Because nobody can have EFI until they suport it, so its a chicken and the egg argument. Vista NEEDS to support EFI, or EFI will go nowhere, not "we'll add it when they need it".

As a good example, look at iMovie HD. Most if not all users of iMovie didn't have an HD camcorder, yet apple PROACTIVELY added support for things to come. They didn't say "hey if enough users buy HD camcorders we'll add it".

 

[bwintx]

you are so wrong.....Vista is LOADED with new things....And had added "plumbing" for many more.

WinFX is not new?
WinFS support is not new?
WDDM is not new?

WinFS support won't be present in Vista, at least at first. That was big news several months ago.

 

[milo]

1) I'm an engineer. My company wants me to produce drawings in AutoCAD format but since there is no MacOSX version I would normally run VectorWorks or some other Mac only product that can produce AutoCAD files even if there may be slight problems. Now that I can run it natively on Windows, I'll use AutoCAD instead of buying the comparative Mac product. The Mac CAD developers die off gradually.

2) I'm a 3D artist. There's a kick ass product for 3D only on Windows. I boot into Windows and use that instead of buying a comparable OSX product. 3D Mac app developers who don't want to compete for a dwindling market drop out of the market.

3) I'm an accountant. Not content with MYOB, Incognito or the mess that is Quicken on the Mac, I boot into Windows and run Sage. Mac accountancy software dies off even more than the poor state it is today.

I hope you can see why being able to run Windows applications at full speed is a bad thing for the Mac market in general. It may not be bad for users in the short term but in the medium to long term you want strong Mac development, even if it means that excludes the heavyweights from the Windows world. Many Mac only developers exist because the big Windows only companies don't bother with the Mac.

I'll give you the same situation, circa two days ago.

I'm a XXX. I don't like the mac version of XXX. So instead I run a windows app on a windows box.

Before this, the people in the examples you mentioned simply wouldn't run mac at all. How is that any worse than booting XP on Apple iron?