Windows XP Booting on Mac Contest Over

[SeaFox]

I only view this as a negative thing.

I don't believe that this will bring a significant amount of market share to Apple, unless Apple starts offering it as an option - very few people who want to run dual OS's are actually going hack around in their computer to do it.

Given your reasoning I don't see why this should be seen as negetive or positive. It is possible to dual boot now, giving people who need to the option. But it's not super easy so it wouldn't cause this mass exodus to Windows all the fanbois on here are worried about (why? if people wanted to run Windows instead of OSX to start with, would they have bought a Mac in the beginning?).

What's negetive about this? Unless you were hoping for a super-easy, go-into-EFI-and-change-this-zero-to-a-one solution nothing has really changed.

 

[mrplow]

Mmm, if I use window XP without surfing, will I still get viruses and spyware? I doubt it

If I run Office on or Photoshop on XP, will they be as "slow" as with rosetta since those apps are not UB yet? I doubt this also

I think having a choice is always good for users and most on this forum are experienced enough to know when and for what to boot into XP

besides, using firefox with all the plugins (not to mention ms's spyware remover in the background- tho it can be annoying)... and a slight bit of intelligence which i think this forum is abundant in, i find it unlikely you'll end up with any such problems

 

[iMeowbot]

true, but the procedure calls for a boot.img file that nero utilizes when creating it- i don't know of any mac software which does this.. especially since its speifically creating a generic pc bootable disk, something a mac certainly is not

mkisofs can work with those.

 

[mrplow]

mkisofs can work with those.

well then i stand corrected

ive just had alot of issues in the past where nero worked and toast/diskUtil didnt (especially with modding an xbox)

 

[harveypooka]

Oh, it doesn't work on the 20" Intel iMac?

 

[SeaFox]

I think any discussion of how this is going to affect software development for OS X (i.e., "OMG, now companies will just target Windows and forget about Mac OS") is totally ridiculous. No sane developer who is serious about wanting to sell their product to Mac users is going to expect them to install some hacked up bootloader and whatever else it needs so they can run Windows in order to use the product.

Maybe this wil be slightly more of a concern when something like Virtual PC comes out that can can smoothly run Windows at full speed in an environment fully supported by Microsoft, or if dual-booting can ever be achieved without downloading some dubious (to the average computer user) hacks.

Thank You!

God, I have been so sick of hearing that line of reasoning from people. They seem to completely ignore that Virtual PC or Windows are not free so if you start telling your Mac customers they have to boot Windows to run your program you might as well have told them you just raised the price of your software a couple hundred dollars.

 

[iSee]

I don't think many of you understand. This doesn't hurt development for the Mac overnight, it is a slow erosion that takes time. For example, read all the posts saying "I would only use it to run the occasional piece of software that is Windows only". Yes... and once you can do that easily and with native performance, there is *ZERO* pressure on the developer of that software to create an OSX version... he gets your money either way.

Case in point, Garmin announced at MWSF that they will make Mac-native versions of their GPS software... something that many people have been requesting for quite some time. If their software worked great under OSX through VPC or some fast switching solution, how motivated would they be to do that? Google Earth? Games? I doubt we'll ever see Autocad for the Mac again now. Then look at companies that may be on the edge of dropping Mac development for one reason or another. No MS Office for the Mac, anyone? Again, that won't happen overnight, but it could happen.

It takes time, but if Wintel software works as well and transparently on a Mac as it does on a PC, then you will see cases of this, guaranteed. It took years, but this was a huge factor in the slow and painful death of OS/2.

You're wrong. Extend the example a little: Suppose Garmin does indeed decide not to make a mac OS native version of their GPS software. Then XYZ company will instead. Now, suppose you were facing the choice of which product to buy:
* The one that requires that you buy a $300 version of XP (or become a criminal) and install it and then reboot your Mac every time you wanted to use the software and be foreced to use an XP UI to access the software.

or

* The Mac OS X native version.

Which one would you buy, all other things being equal?

Native Mac OS support is a tremendous competative advantage, and companies that have it will always beat out the ones that don't.

The general ability to run Windows on Macs will increase Mac market share; Apple will sell more Macs! A software developer will feel a lot more comfortable ignoring 3% of the market than 6%, or 10%. I'm not saying this alone will dramatically incease market share, but anything that increases market share will help convince developers to support Mac OS X.

This is a good thing, even for people that will never run it. It will increase Apple market shared, which will increase the resources developer are willing to allocate to it, which will lead to better and more software--OS X native software.

 

[baylormac]

Partitions using different formatting?

I can't seem to get a FAT partition and a HFS+ partition in the same scheme. It only gives me one option or the other for both partitions.

Am I just missing something?

 

[dernhelm]

Mmm, if I use window XP without surfing, will I still get viruses and spyware?

Oh yes you can if you aren't up to date on your windows patches and are not behind a firewall or NATTed or something.

Which brings up an interesting point. With microsoft's new anti-piracy policies, will a mac hacked this way be able to get online updates of windows? Will it pass the on-line update "this is legal" checks?

 

[Steve1496]

I can't seem to get a FAT partition and a HFS+ partition in the same scheme. It only gives me one option or the other for both partitions.

Am I just missing something?

You are creating these from the installer's disk utility, and not in OS X, right?

 

[Steve1496]

Oh yes you can if you aren't up to date on your windows patches and are not behind a firewall or NATTed or something.

Which brings up an interesting point. With microsoft's new anti-piracy policies, will a mac hacked this way be able to get online updates of windows? Will it pass the on-line update "this is legal" checks?

Windows Update does work according to one person I asked.

 

[mrplow]

Oh yes you can if you aren't up to date on your windows patches and are not behind a firewall or NATTed or something.

Which brings up an interesting point. With microsoft's new anti-piracy policies, will a mac hacked this way be able to get online updates of windows? Will it pass the on-line update "this is legal" checks?

I'd bet the farm that it will- it verifies activation/cdkey/etc.. not whteher you have 'approved' hardware.. which of course, everything but the mac firmware EFI layer.. and i think the biggest piece of this hack was working around that to give windows something it understood

 

[Abulia]

Which brings up an interesting point. With microsoft's new anti-piracy policies, will a mac hacked this way be able to get online updates of windows? Will it pass the on-line update "this is legal" checks?

Windows Update only checks to see that your license of Windows has been authenticated; WU doesn't "refuse" people based on their hardware configuration.

So, in short, if you have a legal copy of Windows, install it on your Mac, and activate it, Windows will update and patch normally.

 

[harveypooka]

Macworld reports one user stating that XP on the Mac is useless or pretty much useless for gaming. What are the reports of this? If it's easy to install the drivers for the iMac video card - what are the potential problems?

 

[liketom]

god dam it , got to the boot screen where i get all the text on boot after the win logo and it just stays there !!!

mmm must be doing something wrong


am i right in saying all i need from win xp to nero win xp image is the i386 files ?

 

[mrplow]

god dam it , got to the boot screen where i get all the text on boot after the win logo and it just stays there !!!

mmm must be doing something wrong


am i right in saying all i need from win xp to nero win xp image is the i386 files ?

i used EVERYTHING.. then added the patched files.. you def. can't forget about $OEM$ etc from patched folder.. as for non i386 folders on the actual XP disk, you got me.. (so i apologize if thats all you meant)

 

[iMeowbot]

ive just had alot of issues in the past where nero worked and toast/diskUtil didnt (especially with modding an xbox)

Yeah, Mac-centric tools would probably be less than useful for such an effort. Tools that sprung up out of the Lunix world, however, have already made big dents in the compatibility issues. The tools would have to be packaged up so that non-freaks could use them, but I believe everything may be there.

In places like mine, we really want to be able to show that all the licenses are squeaky clean on business machines, and even avoid the appearance that an OS was "borrowed" from another system. So that's something we'll have to play with once this procedure is debugged a little more.

 

[liketom]

i used EVERYTHING.. then added the patched files.. you def. can't forget about $OEM$ etc from patched folder.. as for non i386 folders on the actual XP disk, you got me.. (so i apologize if thats all you meant)

yep i\m buring another cd now - 6 cd's wasted so far

still kinda fun though

 

[Steve1496]

god dam it , got to the boot screen where i get all the text on boot after the win logo and it just stays there !!!

mmm must be doing something wrong


am i right in saying all i need from win xp to nero win xp image is the i386 files ?

What Mac do you have? He says you only need i386 but I think its a good idea to include support folder too.

 

[iSee]

Boo on pirating, even XP from MS

The issue though is two fold. First most Mac users aren’t going to buy a license. (A Mac user purchasing Windows? NEVER!)
Secondly...

No Mac user needs to buy a license. If they don't want to run Windows XP they don't have to.

But if you are going to run it, you've got to pay for it. What about being a Mac user makes it OK to steal? Even if it's from M$?

(I know you aren't advocating this, SA, in your post. I'm directing this to the those of us who may be considering "obtaining" a copy of XP without a license.)

 

[mrplow]

so incase anyone cares, and maybe im wrong but i doubt it you should make sure to format the partition as FAT when installing XP and not NTFS--- FAT discs can be read/written in OSX where as NTFS can only be read


to the man burning 6 coasters-- what version of nero do you have? for the step that says to select the boot.img file I couldn't find it in Nero 6 and had to download Nero 7.. skipping this step would be detrimental

 

[liketom]

What Mac do you have? He says you only need i386 but I think its a good idea to include support folder too.

mac mini core solo

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[Steve1496]

so incase anyone cares, and maybe im wrong but i doubt it you should make sure to format the partition as FAT when installing XP and not NTFS--- FAT discs can be read/written in OSX where as NTFS can only be read

But doesn't FAT only support up to 32GB??

 

[mrplow]

But doesn't FAT only support up to 32GB??

..you might be right.

I'm planning on using MacDrive which lets windows utilize HFS+ partitions, so all my itunes etc will remain on the OSX partition.. I don't think I'm going to need more than 10GB space fo Windows

 

[lorien]

Also...is there ANYTHING going on here that if done improperly could render your mac unuseable?

Exactly what I'm worried about. To all you people with somebody elses mac at work, you go girl! But it's not coming anywhere near my rather expensive soon-to-arrive bundle of joy! Hopefully this experiment with "good" & "evil" in the same box won't cause flames, but turn out really good for the fledgling Apple universe. After a good deal of reviews I may give it a go