Windows XP Booting on Mac Contest Over

[Steve1496]

Just want to let everyone know: Me and Blanka are making great progress on the 20" iMac. We just to resolve another small issue.

 

[notmenotyou]

is it possible that steve wants head to head fight with bill? when ppl buy a intel mac then run both OS on the same machine, they can see for themself how OSX is better then windoz, if ppl want to dual boot, they must have apple hardware first, the more they buy intel mac, the less REAL PC will be bought, so that apple market share will goes up, and when the software developer see apple market share goes up, they will develop native software for mac, it's no question ask, just my two cents.

 

[tdar]

Just want to let everyone know: Me and Blanka are making great progress on the 20" iMac. We just to resolve another small issue.

great news

 

[SPUY767]

supposing they wanted to, could M$ kill this with windows updates?

I think that the MS developers are swamped just trying to get vista out on time. The angry chimpanzees that they have coding windows fixes don't have time to trifle with this.

 

[iSee]

You'll notice that Linux doesn't have very many mainstream applications on it.

I'll take a couple of examples of why being able to run Windows is a BAD THING.

1) I'm an engineer. My company wants me to produce drawings in AutoCAD format but since there is no MacOSX version I would normally run VectorWorks or some other Mac only product that can produce AutoCAD files even if there may be slight problems. Now that I can run it natively on Windows, I'll use AutoCAD instead of buying the comparative Mac product. The Mac CAD developers die off gradually.

2) I'm a 3D artist. There's a kick ass product for 3D only on Windows. I boot into Windows and use that instead of buying a comparable OSX product. 3D Mac app developers who don't want to compete for a dwindling market drop out of the market.

3) I'm an accountant. Not content with MYOB, Incognito or the mess that is Quicken on the Mac, I boot into Windows and run Sage. Mac accountancy software dies off even more than the poor state it is today.

I hope you can see why being able to run Windows applications at full speed is a bad thing for the Mac market in general. It may not be bad for users in the short term but in the medium to long term you want strong Mac development, even if it means that excludes the heavyweights from the Windows world. Many Mac only developers exist because the big Windows only companies don't bother with the Mac.

Your logic is flawed: In each scenario, you assume a Mac user would choose the Windows solution over an available Mac solution. Why would they do that??? If they perferred the Windows software to the Mac software, they would have bought a Dell, not a Mac, in the first place.

I'm sorry, but what you are saying makes no sense.

 

[kerbawya]

Speaking of updates...

from Apple Insider:
Apple posts Security Update 2006-002 v1.1
Mar 16 - 7:00 pm EST Apple on Thursday released yet another Security Update, labeled Security Update 2006-002 v1.1, for both Mac OS X PPC (13.9MB) and Mac OS X Intel (15.4MB). The update presumably aims to fix issues that remained uncertified following the release of Security Update 2006-002 (1.0).

 

[BeigeUser]

It's possible on certain Intel chipsets, but it's illegal, whereas running XP on an intel mac is not.

Tampering with the windows disk to make it book on Macs... Isn't that illegal?

 

[ThomasM]

could someone help me out on this one ?

6. Copy the xom.efi bootloader to the hard disk and bless it.

- Copy the xom.efi file into your home directory.
- In the terminal type:
sudo cp xom.efi /System/Library/CoreServices <-- you will have to enter
your password here
cd /System/Library/CoreServices
sudo bless --folder . --file xom.efi --setBoot

............

i have copied the xom.efi file to my folder "/users/name"
i have typed sudo cp xom.efi /System/Library/CoreServices and entered my password afterwards

typed cd /System/Library/CoreServices and pressed enter
but what next ? how to i type the last one in.
do i just type sudo bless --/users/name . --file xom.efi --setboot ?

 

[mrplow]

yep

you copy it to user folder because thats where the terminal goes by default and he was trying to simplify the terminal code

the first terminal command copies the files to /sys/lib/coreserv
the next line changes the terminal directory to that folder, instead of being in the user/home folder

the final command tells the xom.efi to boot


be sure that when your installing XP that the partition you install to is Partition2 and you use NTFS... i had a mess of trouble, the partition i wanted windows on kept showing up at partition3 and i did FAT... finally it showed up at partition2 and i decided to just cave in and do NTFS and everything was happy..

 

[mark88]

Consumers, now you can natively run Windows on the best looking and best performing computers in the world.

....but now, every single Intel Mac will compete directly with PC manufacturers, and frankly, the Mac is superior in all aspects, plus you get OS X! Its like a whole new brand entered the PC market, and its an awesome brand!

How is any Intel Mac 'superior in all aspects' to a [similar spec] PC? please explain. You do realise more or less the exact same components are used in each?

 

[Steve1496]

could someone help me out on this one ?

6. Copy the xom.efi bootloader to the hard disk and bless it.

- Copy the xom.efi file into your home directory.
- In the terminal type:
sudo cp xom.efi /System/Library/CoreServices <-- you will have to enter
your password here
cd /System/Library/CoreServices
sudo bless --folder . --file xom.efi --setBoot

............

i have copied the xom.efi file to my folder "/users/name"
i have typed sudo cp xom.efi /System/Library/CoreServices and entered my password afterwards

typed cd /System/Library/CoreServices and pressed enter
but what next ? how to i type the last one in.
do i just type sudo bless --/users/name . --file xom.efi --setboot ?

No, no..Make sure you're CDd to /System/Library/CoreServices Then enter:
sudo bless --folder . --file xom.efi --setBoot
exactly as I wrote it

 

[ThomasM]

trying now

 

[mark88]

Your logic is flawed: In each scenario, you assume a Mac user would choose the Windows solution over an available Mac solution. Why would they do that??? If they perferred the Windows software to the Mac software, they would have bought a Dell, not a Mac, in the first place.

I'm sorry, but what you are saying makes no sense.

Exactly, this is what no-one with this argument seems to understand. People buy macs to run OS X not Windows!

 

[ThomasM]

here is exactly what i did.

i copied it to my home directory.

i typed sudo cp xom.efi /System/Library/CoreServices password
-pressed enter-
i typed cd /System/Library/CoreServices
-pressed enter-
i typed sudo bless --folder . --file xom.efi --setBoot
exactly as it says there
-pressed enter-

got up a bunch of information.
most important information
bless: unrecognized option `--setboot `

 

[Tupring]

Can someone please explain to me why some people keep saying:

"It's like putting a crappy engine in a ferrari" (you get what I mean)

and posts of that nature, basically suggesting, why would you want to run XP on a Mac, just buy a PC.

Why can't people understand that some of us need functionality like this? Some of us don't want to have to carry two laptops everywhere we go. Some of us don't want to use a PC at work and would rather use our laptops (then sneak into OSX when we can).

I'm getting sooo tired of reading posts like that and of posts like mine whinging about it. I just can't believe how stupid some people are. What is the psychology behind this?!

Windoze sucks... It makes sense to me. If no one used it, there wouldn't be a need (desire) for it, then all would be good. Mac User don't need Windows. Period.

 

[Aztechian]

Steve,

If you don't mind could you enlighten me on what the --file option to bless means? I haven't seen it in any documentation (for PPC anyways), and was wondering if thats an "intel builds only" option.

Thanks!

 

[ThomasM]

got it working

 

[Steve1496]

bless: unrecognized option `--setboot `

Needs to be setBoot not setboot. Case-sensitive.

Aztechian,
As far as I know it just tells which file in the current directory to bless.

Update on iMac 20" Progress: We're going to release a xom.efi for 20" iMac users. My Nero is acting up and won't record a proper disc. Anyways, we need anyone who owns a 20" iMac to test it and get back to us.

Thanks!!
Steve

 

[iSee]

Needs to be setBoot not setboot. Case-sensitive.

Aztechian,
As far as I know it just tells which file in the current directory to bless.

Update on iMac 20" Progress: We're going to release a xom.efi for 20" iMac users. My Nero is acting up and won't record a proper disc. Anyways, we need anyone who owns a 20" iMac to test it and get back to us.

Thanks!!
Steve

Congrats!

 

[Mac Fly (film)]

Everybody is entitled to one caveman expirence!

Who gives a **** about windowzz!

 

[ThomasM]

congratulations
and thanks for making my life a whole lot easier! i am a student and i have to use autocad. i hoped that someone would be able to make a installer for windows on the new intel macs, so i pre-ordered the macbook pro as soon as apple store opened.

 

[ThomasM]

****.

The install prompts you for the format type to use: NTFS/FAT Quick/Slow
If the partition is too large, only the NTFS Quick/Slow options will be shown.
It is VERY IMPORTANT that you get prompted with this step. If you are
not prompted for a filesystem to install SOMETHING WENT TERRIBLY WRONG!!!
YOUR INSTALL WILL NOT WORK in that case.

i wasnt prompted for the format type to use, only ntfs quick/slow.
so i have to do the whole thing over again, making a smaller partition for windows ?

 

[mrplow]

any chance of this forum moving back to productivity and less arguing ..because i really don't think anyone cares about anyone elses opinion at this point, since everyone is saying the same thing (either pro or negative) so .. how about those who are negative sign off and those who are pro continue to make it better?


because some x1600 drivers would be sweet right now..

 

[RichCoder]

any chance of this forum moving back to productivity and less arguing ..because i really don't think anyone cares about anyone elses opinion at this point, since everyone is saying the same thing (either pro or negative) so .. how about those who are negative sign off and those who are pro continue to make it better?

because some x1600 drivers would be sweet right now..

Ok, I think this is the status up to this point(from reading this and other forums):

catalyst drivers - don't work
toshiba, asus, acer, ... x1600 specific drivers - don't work
firmware on the Mac's x1600 is at least slightly different than on "PC" laptops (because it utilizes UGA and not VGA)

It seems very likely that (baring a major hack) ATI will need to include support in an upcoming driver release. If they do, I'm sure it will not be done with a major announcement so they don't cause friction with Apple.

-rich

 

[Steve1496]

****.

The install prompts you for the format type to use: NTFS/FAT Quick/Slow
If the partition is too large, only the NTFS Quick/Slow options will be shown.
It is VERY IMPORTANT that you get prompted with this step. If you are
not prompted for a filesystem to install SOMETHING WENT TERRIBLY WRONG!!!
YOUR INSTALL WILL NOT WORK in that case.

i wasnt prompted for the format type to use, only ntfs quick/slow.
so i have to do the whole thing over again, making a smaller partition for windows ?

No that's correct if your partition is over 32GB you gotta use NTFS. Nothing went wrong here. I recommend the Quick format.