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SteveJUAE

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Furthermore once you know how to get things done the Android way and try to use iOS you really see just how dumbed down the OS really is just so you can have a few unique features. Also just like longtime iOS users find it impossible to move to and understand Android, long time Android users find it equally as hard to move to iOS.
Yes I agree it's hard to swap from any OS you get conditioned

Apple have made it easy for many to accomplish many simple things and this conditioning makes it harder for them to swap IMO but these little niceties come with a hefty overhead that is seldom in the users best interest in the long term

Know what your buying in to as the commitment is not insignificant or without catches
 

SteveJUAE

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When you lose all of your hearing feel free to come back and tell me how you get along perfectly with just one device. Just one example; is Android fully compatible with a complete bilateral cochlear Nucleus implant system (MFT)? How about devices for other needs for the deaf community?
Really, you want to justify IOS over Android on an operation that can cost $10k's that most cant afford and hopefully get better streaming to the implant with another device that most cant afford

Think your clutching at straws here for justification and kicking a man when he's down

Affordable tech and Medicare for all IMO
 

Shanghaichica

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I find the integration between my pixel 4 and pixel book go infinitely better than anything apple offers.
Plus now I've figured out the differences in finding the pixel integration into other things much better than iOS.
And this is coming from a 25 year plus apple user.

Android on the pixel is so much better than iOS with its constantly changing ways of doing things. Never mind all the bugs with apple in the last few years, with their constant advice being reset it and try again.

Plus not having to deal with apple's fragile cables is a god send.

My wife is going to ditch her iPhone for a pixel soon too. And I've lost all faith in Apple laptops.

The only reason I stuck with apple so long was familiarity. But the day or so figuring out the new system is totally worth it. I'm sure many iOS users would agree if they tried it.
The pixel becomes more tempting every year but I still prefer Samsung devices because they have features that the pixel just doesn’t have.
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That's fine for those devices. What about the other devices I mentioned? How would I achieve that deep level of integration across all of those devices with Android? Do Android tablets with Retina-grade screens exist? (my old eyes) What about Continuity/Handoff? iCloud Keychain? iCloud Tabs?
Samsung have improved the integration between their tablets and phones but I’ve not tested both together to do a fair comparison. However Samsung’s high end tablets have a higher resolution than even the latest iPad Pro. I think there’s a hand off like feature if you use the chrome browser. Samsung have Samsung pass which is their version of iCloud Keychain. Google also have a similar password manager.
 

The Game 161

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When you lose all of your hearing feel free to come back and tell me how you get along perfectly with just one device. Just one example; is Android fully compatible with a complete bilateral cochlear Nucleus implant system (MFT)? How about devices for other needs for the deaf community?
Texting alone is an awful experience on android if you want to interact with on several devices you are stuck to just your phone. For me that is far too restrictive. Phone, iPad, MacBook I can do all that on any...depending on needing my phone to do that or ring isn’t ideal at all so when people say there’s an ecosystem in android there really isn’t
 
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Londoner1982

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Can anyone tell me why texting and the keyboard on IOS always seems and feels better and smoother than any android keyboard? Always thought that was strange!
 
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Oohara

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Can anyone tell me why texting and the keyboard on IOS always seems and feels better and smoother than any android keyboard? Always thought that was strange!
This is probably a very subjective perception, as are the above perceptions of the quality and usefulness of iOS vs Android overall.

In any case, for myself, I currently use an iPhone 11 Pro and make extensive use of iCloud on a daily basis, both professionally and not - but one of the points I'm least happy with is the keyboard as well as text editing overall on iOS devices.

The best keyboard experience I've ever had on a mobile device was using Swype on my Galaxy Note II, with Gboard on my OnePlus 6T a close second.
 
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drinkingtea

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I had such a horrible experience with my Galaxy S8 that I would never return to Samsung. The battery became incredibly bad just after six months of use. I had odd screen glitches and other software issues. I had to have my S8 replaced because I broke the screen—I didn’t get a refurbished unit until more than two weeks after the fact because they were “waiting for more phones to be delivered to the factory.” I didn’t find out this tidbit until about five days of waiting for the phone (I was guaranteed next-day delivery) and I had to call them to find this out. I also received an email saying that the phone I shipped out was never delivered to them (it was), which put me in an absolute panic. It turns out that it’s an automatic email they send out for some reason. All that time, I was dealing directly with this issue with a call center in India, where the language barrier made things more frustrating. The day the refurbished unit arrived, I sold it the next day and I bought an iPhone.

Oh, and let’s not forget the Samsung bloat. It’s 2020, and they’re still forcing the Facebook app (Facebook is essentially spyware) and other BS on their customers. I know you can disable them, but that’s not the point.

And I’m really, really enjoying my XS. Yes, it might be a “Fisher-Price” OS, but it does so many things better than Android, IMO. Privacy, app quality (there are no apps in the Google Play Store that even come close in quality to Bear, Things, Marvis, Streaks, Notability, Unread, and etc.—apps I can’t live without), the dedicated widget page (much better than widgets taking up my Home screen, most of which look extremely outdated), the little touches to Safari (reading mode, text enlargement, and etc.), the share sheet, iMessage, Shortcuts, and so many other things. Oh, and AppleCare+ is very nice (no dealing with Indian call centers!). I truly love my iPhone and I don’t know if I could ever go back to Android. Plus, I’ve recently become more concerned about privacy. I even switched my search engine to DuckDuckGo and I’m moving away from Gmail. I’ve already deleted Google Maps and replaced it with Apple Maps.

So if I ever get an Android again, I would only consider a Pixel, never a Samsung.
 
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pawxpaw

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Texting alone is an awful experience on android if you want to interact with on several devices you are stuck to just your phone. For me that is far too restrictive. Phone, iPad, MacBook I can do all that on any...depending on needing my phone to do that or ring isn’t ideal at all so when people say there’s an ecosystem in android there really isn’t
Clearly you haven't used a new Android recently?

On my pixel I can send texts from my laptop. Which is actually more useful than iMessage as I can text everyone from my laptop, not just some people who have iMessage.
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When you lose all of your hearing feel free to come back and tell me how you get along perfectly with just one device. Just one example; is Android fully compatible with a complete bilateral cochlear Nucleus implant system (MFT)? How about devices for other needs for the deaf community?
My resound linx quattro hearing aids work perfectly with my pixel.
That is no longer a reason to need to stick with apple.




But I'll tell everyone the best 2 features from a pixel phone. Incoming calls don't take over your whole screen so you can continue doing whatever else while you deal with the call.
And the spam caller screening is wonderful. My spam calls have gone down massively. And any that do come through the screening is very effective. It's a pure pleasure to not have to deal with spam calls everyday.
 
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drinkingtea

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Whilst this all sound jolly nice hockey sticks and all the reality is for most is they remain relatively inconsequential, unused, limited and country, device and service restricted

The fact you have to buy several devices ranging for $500 to over $3000 to accomplish so little extra trivia to a limited number of options

Sure it can be fun sharing your grandsons photo with the book club once a month, or a pdf of this months phone bill or to do list with the Mrs etc, the bottom line most professional are not

The problem is because these little feature are mainly used for little things IPhone users are rarely challenged with anything outside 1 photo or video or pdf file let alone cross platform and international demands.

To justify spending or recommending spending $1000's on such low level minor conveniences escapes me

Once you stop thinking Apple way you would be surprised at the various options on completing tasks across multiple devices tailored to your specific needs, instead of entrapment because of minor

Apple love those who can't think for themselves and let the tail wag the dog from a watch upwards.

It's not about buying in to a premium ECO it's about simplicity of a nanny environment that makes you more lazy than efficient and encourages spending under the disguise of service and technology
There’s so much ignorance in this post. I don’t even know where to begin.

I could accomplish so much more on my iOS devices, especially school-wise, than I ever could on my Android. Spending just ten minutes on https://www.macstories.net/ shows the powerful efficiency of iOS.
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Clearly you haven't used a new Android recently?

On my pixel I can send texts from my laptop. Which is actually more useful than iMessage as I can text everyone from my laptop, not just some people who have iMessage.
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My resound linx quattro hearing aids work perfectly with my pixel.
That is no longer a reason to need to stick with apple.




But I'll tell everyone the best 2 features from a pixel phone. Incoming calls don't take over your whole screen so you can continue doing whatever else while you deal with the call.
And the spam caller screening is wonderful. My spam calls have gone down massively. And any that do come through the screening is very effective. It's a pure pleasure to not have to deal with spam calls everyday.
I can text Android users using iMessage on my Apple devices (well, the one Android user I know). I rarely receive spam calls because of the RoboKiller app. ?‍♀️
 

drinkingtea

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For me its vice versa, there are many apps/games i use and enjoy on google play store but not available on ios. This is one of many reasons i won't go back to ios.
Sure, but but I can guarantee that for almost all apps that you use on Android, there’s a better, more well-designed app equivalent. I can’t say the same for Android.
 

Healer Flame

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Sure, but but I can guarantee that for almost all apps that you use on Android, there’s a better, more well-designed app equivalent.

Absolutely not true, google it.
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Here we go......

 
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drinkingtea

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Absolutely not true, google it.
Absolutely true. But the reverse isn’t true for Android. You won’t ever see elegant apps like Bear, Streaks, or Castro in the Google Play Store.

Plus, how can I “Google it” if I don’t even know what apps you’re referring to?
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Absolutely not true, google it.
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Here we go......

I’m talking about the *quality* of apps, not the number of apps available in both Stores. Without question, Android has the most apps number-wise, but not quality-wise. Android apps just aren’t up to par in quality with iOS apps. That’s a fact.
 
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drinkingtea

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That was 4 or 5 years ago but now days the premium android apps are as good as if not better than ios apps.
That’s not true at all. I had a Google Pixel 3 last year for a little bit and I found the apps to still be of lesser quality, even the “premium” apps. Again, you cannot find apps like Bear, Things, Streaks, or Castro in the Google Play Store. You just can’t. Even the iOS Spark mail app is better designed than its Android counterpart, and Spark was released last year for Android.
 

The Game 161

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That’s not true at all. I had a Google Pixel 3 last year for a little bit and I found the apps to still be of lesser quality, even the “premium” apps. Again, you cannot find apps like Bear, Things, Streaks, or Castro in the Google Play Store. You just can’t. Even the iOS Spark mail app is better designed than its Android counterpart, and Spark was released last year for Android.
Agreed, apps for the main ones I use are not as good as IOS apps. It feels like it’s just blown up and the picture quality within apps just aren’t as sharp but I guess it depends on the apps people use. For me the difference in app quality was noticeable when I went back to iPhone from my s10 plus
 
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revmacian

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Texting alone is an awful experience on android if you want to interact with on several devices you are stuck to just your phone. For me that is far too restrictive. Phone, iPad, MacBook I can do all that on any...depending on needing my phone to do that or ring isn’t ideal at all so when people say there’s an ecosystem in android there really isn’t
That's just one of the many reasons why Apple devices are better than android devices. But good luck trying to get android fans to see past their denial long enough to realize it.
 
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The Game 161

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Clearly you haven't used a new Android recently?

On my pixel I can send texts from my laptop. Which is actually more useful than iMessage as I can text everyone from my laptop, not just some people who have iMessage.
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My resound linx quattro hearing aids work perfectly with my pixel.
That is no longer a reason to need to stick with apple.

I’ve had android phones for the past 4-5 years and sure you may be able text off other laptops but it’s not as straight forward as it is with macs. It’s certainly not for android tablets when you use that with an android phone which was partly my point...at home I don’t need my phone with me when texting or on my lunch break at work. I can just use my iPad...which is something that is missed for my usage. If my phone is on the side why do I need to have it close by to make calls or texts? I don’t for this reason

Apple watch alone is worth having an iPhone for me...
 

mjschabow

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That was 4 or 5 years ago but now days the premium android apps are as good as if not better than ios apps.

Having used both platforms over the last year I can say with confidence that this is false. iOS apps are still more polished than Android, especially when it comes to apps that don’t have as many resources or finding behind development. There’s a clear drop off.
 
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yui4

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I've had iPhones since the 3GS and android, mostly samsung since the galaxy s3. I'm not embedded in any ecosystem so can move between OS easily. I'm happily not fixed to any camp.

I will say though from my experience, samsung ui and phones have come on leaps and bounds in the last few years.

Long gone is the lag of touchwizz, I've had a note 10+ for the last few months and I had an s10+ earlier in the year running alongside an xs max and later the 11 pro max. If you keep an open mind and are willing to try the modern flagship Samsung's, without any preconceived ideas, you would be really surprised how flawless they perform.

The iphone has largely remained unchanged in recent years with regards OS and I appreciate people are comfortable with that familiarity
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Having used both platforms over the last year I can say with confidence that this is false. iOS apps are still more polished than Android, especially when it comes to apps that don’t have as many resources or finding behind development. There’s a clear drop off.
I genuinely dont really notice this, I assume it must be the apps I use because I have both ios and an android device and neither really jumps out at me with regards any app quality discrepancies
 

mjschabow

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I've had iPhones since the 3GS and android, mostly samsung since the galaxy s3. I'm not embedded in any ecosystem so can move between OS easily. I'm happily not fixed to any camp.

I will say though from my experience, samsung ui and phones have come on leaps and bounds in the last few years.

Long gone is the lag of touchwizz, I've had a note 10+ for the last few months and I had an s10+ earlier in the year running alongside an xs max and later the 11 pro max. If you keep an open mind and are willing to try the modern flagship Samsung's, without any preconceived ideas, you would be really surprised how flawless they perform.

The iphone has largely remained unchanged in recent years with regards OS and I appreciate people are comfortable with that familiarity
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I genuinely dont really notice this, I assume it must be the apps I use because I have both ios and an android device and neither really jumps out at me with regards any app quality discrepancies

Great example was Yahoo Fantasy Sports. To refresh the scores, I literally had to force close the app on the Note 10, where on iOS it just works. As I had mentioned, this is less common on the major apps but once you get to that next tier, it can still get quite ugly.
 

Septembersrain

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I'm an Android and an iPhone owner. The only reason to choose one over the other is for the ecosystem. I didn't think I was going to get another iPhone but they offered me $700 for my iPhone 7 to switch to AT&T. So I got the Pro Max. It's better than the other iPhones I've had.

I'm still in love with my LG G8 ThinQ though. I use it frequently on Wi-Fi and keep it with me for music. I don't think I'll ever be happy with only one ecosystem again. Good thing I've got a big purse.

Anyways, really it will come down to which one you like more. No amount of specs tossed out will change the fact that both devices will be good to different people. Go with the one that draws you the most. Good luck!
 

Shanghaichica

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Texting alone is an awful experience on android if you want to interact with on several devices you are stuck to just your phone. For me that is far too restrictive. Phone, iPad, MacBook I can do all that on any...depending on needing my phone to do that or ring isn’t ideal at all so when people say there’s an ecosystem in android there really isn’t
Kinda of have to agree on this. Whilst I don’t think it’s awful, It’s useable but it’s just so much better than on The iphone and iPad. Very fluid.
 

pawxpaw

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I’ve had android phones for the past 4-5 years and sure you may be able text off other laptops but it’s not as straight forward as it is with macs. It’s certainly not for android tablets when you use that with an android phone which was partly my point...at home I don’t need my phone with me when texting or on my lunch break at work. I can just use my iPad...which is something that is missed for my usage. If my phone is on the side why do I need to have it close by to make calls or texts? I don’t for this reason

Apple watch alone is worth having an iPhone for me...
I don't get what isn't straight forward. When I got my pixel it asked if I wanted to text from my laptop. I clicked yes. Then it was working. Simple as that. My phone can be at the opposite end of my house and it works just fine.
 
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