Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features

[BrianGGG]

This probably has nothing to do with the Beta, but a quick question about Routes. Is it possible to have a different color for the route you have traveled from the route that you have downloaded from a GPX file (the route you should take)?

I haven't used pre-defined routes in a while ... and in the midst of an up-and-back it seemed hard to discern where I actually was and where I need to go even at maximum magnification.

 

[cfc]

This probably has nothing to do with the Beta, but a quick question about Routes. Is it possible to have a different color for the route you have traveled from the route that you have downloaded from a GPX file (the route you should take)?

I haven't used pre-defined routes in a while ... and in the midst of an up-and-back it seemed hard to discern where I actually was and where I need to go even at maximum magnification.

This hasn't been possible in the past because the app does not follow your position along the route. However this will change when I improve the navigation features. After I have done that I may change the colour for the route before the current position, but it won't be high on my priorities because it is rarely requested.

Also it would require frequent redrawing (on every position movement) and that could be a battery hog. There are probably ways to minimise that, but they would take longer to code and test, so other features would take priority. Sorry about that.

 

[bsmr]

Hi. Big WOD fan here. Love the app and use it for several years now.

What I found out today is, that it doesn’t sync with Apple Health concerning maximum heart rate within settings. And resting heart rate. Is there any chance to get the values out of Apple health into WOD?

Another point: when recording with WOD it doesn’t show my heart rate zones from my workout within Apple Fitness app?!
When recording with Apple fitness app it does work?
Is this a bug?

 

[cfc]

Hi. Big WOD fan here. Love the app and use it for several years now.

What I found out today is, that it doesn’t sync with Apple Health concerning maximum heart rate within settings. And resting heart rate. Is there any chance to get the values out of Apple health into WOD?

Another point: when recording with WOD it doesn’t show my heart rate zones from my workout within Apple Fitness app?!
When recording with Apple fitness app it does work?
Is this a bug?

Apple's heart rate zones are not available to third party apps, so they don't show them for workouts created by those apps. Do you mean a maximum heart rate used to specify zones? If so then that is the same.

Resting heart rate is a general metric in Apple's health system. It is not a live metric so WOD does not show it.

Thanks for being a long-term user of the app!

 

[bsmr]

Do you mean a maximum heart rate used to specify zones? If so then that is the same.

Resting heart rate is a general metric in Apple's health system. It is not a live metric so WOD does not show it.

Thx for the fast reply.

Have a look at the screenshots. That’s what I mean.
Is there any chance to get the metrics from Apple directly into WOD?

At the moment I do have different values all the time and have to manually look for the values concerning RHR and max. HR.

Athlytic can read the values I found out. HealthFit (what I use for stats can somehow read RHR and gives several formulas for max HR)

What I want is kind of syncing those values between Apple health and those apps.

 

[cfc]

Thx for the fast reply.

Have a look at the screenshots. That’s what I mean.
Is there any chance to get the metrics from Apple directly into WOD?

At the moment I do have different values all the time and have to manually look for the values concerning RHR and max. HR.

Athlytic can read the values I found out. HealthFit (what I use for stats can somehow read RHR and gives several formulas for max HR)

What I want is kind of syncing those values between Apple health and those apps.
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I don't think that has been requested before. The app could read the resting heart rate and calculate the maximum by accessing the age and using the 220-age formula, but even then the percentages may not match so the zones would be different to Apple's.

If Apple make the zones available then I may add an option to synchronise the app's zones with Apple's zones, but I don't have any plans to automatically calculate the min and max from the resting HR and age.

I will add it to my to-do list but, as ever, it will be low down the list unless enough people request it.

 

[javataco]

Thx for the fast reply.

Have a look at the screenshots. That’s what I mean.
Is there any chance to get the metrics from Apple directly into WOD?

At the moment I do have different values all the time and have to manually look for the values concerning RHR and max. HR.

Athlytic can read the values I found out. HealthFit (what I use for stats can somehow read RHR and gives several formulas for max HR)

What I want is kind of syncing those values between Apple health and those apps.
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For what it is worth, every month I set a reminder to manually update WOD’s HR zones based on the Apple Health ones. A few other services (HealthKit and Runalyze) need to be manually updated too so I do them all at once.

 

[bsmr]

Apple's heart rate zones are not available to third party apps, so they don't show them for workouts created by those apps.

Got it, but if I understand correctly:
- recording a workout with native Apple Watch App does record/write/show heart rate zones within Apple Fitness
- recording a workout with 3rd party app does not write heart rate zones within Apple Fitness (bit within 3rd party apps itself - if available within app).

Actually Apple does have everything from a workout through an 3rd party app to write those heart rate zones within Apple Fitness (as it has all the heart rate data) but it doesn't write those zones at all?

Kind of stupid, as it does have it's own calculation for those zones?!

 

[bsmr]

For what it is worth, every month I set a reminder to manually update WOD’s HR zones based on the Apple Health ones.

Interesting point. How do you manage it with the heart rate zones. WOD does have more zones than Apple Health/Fitness. In WOD I do have 0 to 6 (so 7 at all) and within Healthfit I do have 5 zones.

It's not that easy to 'sync' them all to one base in my opinion or am I missing some points I haven't figured out until now?

 

[javataco]

Interesting point. How do you manage it with the heart rate zones. WOD does have more zones than Apple Health/Fitness. In WOD I do have 0 to 6 (so 7 at all) and within Healthfit I do have 5 zones.

It's not that easy to 'sync' them all to one base in my opinion or am I missing some points I haven't figured out until now?

Fair points.

My zone 0 can’t be edited in WOD, and the range is well below my zone 1 range. I’m never in that range for a workout so it doesn’t affect me.

The zone 6 is a fair point. Mentally I combine zone 5 and 6, but realistically I just make my Apple zone 5 the same as my WOD zone 5. Looks like zone 6 corresponds to above my max HR, which I never hit by definition. I’m mainly a marathon runner and don’t really get in those zones anyway aside from the odd VO2 max workout, so again it doesn’t really affect me.

TLDR: I just ignore the zone 0 and zone 6 in WOD.

 

[Mcelbo]

Hi there. I climbed Mt. Baker in Washington this weekend and got very odd recordings, unsure of WOD or Apple Health issue. This was an out and back climb from base camp to the peak and back to base camp. Looks like the watch logged about 7.5 miles up and 3.5 miles back. The screenshot I took below is quite weird as the elevation plot looks as you would expect (mostly straight line up, then mostly straight line down), but the point I am hovering over is the peak in the map view but showing about 1/3 down in the elevation view.

For what it is worth, this was recorded using Apples pace and distance calculation. I have since switched it to be GPS for hikes. I notice the note at the bottom that says GPS distance is 4.6 mi shorter, which aligns with what is supposed to be the true distance of about 6.5 miles (about 3.2 mi each way)

Main questions:
1. If switching to GPS mode is the solution, is there a way to change all this data to be gps driven instead of Apple driven for this previously recorded workout?

2. Any idea what is going on with the elevation plot and map view not being in sync?

 

[MaxSto]

Hi there. I climbed Mt. Baker in Washington this weekend and got very odd recordings, unsure of WOD or Apple Health issue. This was an out and back climb from base camp to the peak and back to base camp. Looks like the watch logged about 7.5 miles up and 3.5 miles back. The screenshot I took below is quite weird as the elevation plot looks as you would expect (mostly straight line up, then mostly straight line down), but the point I am hovering over is the peak in the map view but showing about 1/3 down in the elevation view.

For what it is worth, this was recorded using Apples pace and distance calculation. I have since switched it to be GPS for hikes. I notice the note at the bottom that says GPS distance is 4.6 mi shorter, which aligns with what is supposed to be the true distance of about 6.5 miles (about 3.2 mi each way)

Main questions:
1. If switching to GPS mode is the solution, is there a way to change all this data to be gps driven instead of Apple driven for this previously recorded workout?

2. Any idea what is going on with the elevation plot and map view not being in sync?

I had the same note, that the gps distance is quite different, a various of times as you can see in the screenshot below.
I don’t know why this happens.

 

[cfc]

Got it, but if I understand correctly:
- recording a workout with native Apple Watch App does record/write/show heart rate zones within Apple Fitness
- recording a workout with 3rd party app does not write heart rate zones within Apple Fitness (bit within 3rd party apps itself - if available within app).

Actually Apple does have everything from a workout through an 3rd party app to write those heart rate zones within Apple Fitness (as it has all the heart rate data) but it doesn't write those zones at all?

Kind of stupid, as it does have it's own calculation for those zones?!

There is no concept of apps saving hr zones. They save hr readings (bpm) and then apps can decide how to convert those readings into zones.

I think the reason that Apple's Fitness app does not show zones for workouts created with third party apps is because it knows those apps may have their own configurable zones (like WOD does) and therefore showing Apple's zones for such workouts would be inconsistent with the zones shown in the app that created the workout.

Maybe one day Apple will allow third party apps to access the zones that they use, and when they do they may show the zones for workouts created by such apps. However it would probably need to be optional to allow for apps that don't want to use Apple's zones for whatever reason (e.g. allowing more zones than Apple).

 

[cfc]

I had the same note, that the gps distance is quite different, a various of times as you can see in the screenshot below.
I don’t know why this happens.

Both of you seem to have strange GPS issues. The GPS distance should not be that different. Please could you send me the wkt file for those workouts and I will take a look. To do this tap the Export button 3 times quickly and send to info@workoutdoors.net.

 

[leescottdavis]

Anyone else having issues with WOD5 crashing on WOS10? I did two workouts today where WOD5 crashed. The first a run, the second a walk. It has been bulletproof until now.

 

[cfc]

Anyone else having issues with WOD5 crashing on WOS10? I did two workouts today where WOD5 crashed. The first a run, the second a walk. It has been bulletproof until now.

Please could you see if you have any diagnostic logs for that time, especially WatchMap or Jetsam files. To do this go to Apple's "Watch" app on the iPhone and tap General and then Diagnostic Logs. If there is one for the time of the problem then please email it to me at info@workoutdoors.net . If they appear as “null” when you try to send them then please try again in an hour or so as they sometimes seem to take a while to be available.

I have fixed a couple of crashes in the code, so the next beta will hopefully be more stable.

 

[leescottdavis]

Just these but none today 🤷‍♂️
I’ll see if anything appears tomorrow.

 

[cfc]

Just these but none today 🤷‍♂️
I’ll see if anything appears tomorrow.

Apple delete the logs very quickly so it is best to look soon after problems.

If the app crashed (as opposed to being killed by watchOS) then the logs should eventually come through the TestFlight systems to me. I won't know who generated them but I will see what went wrong.

 

[kplunk]

I’m beta testing WOD5 and also (regrettably) WatchOS10 on my Ultra. When I’m in a hiking workout, and long press the screen for options, none of them work? I either have to force quit the app on the watch which loses the workout or assign pause / end to the physical buttons as a work around. This is happening in all workouts. I’ve left beta feedback on TestFlight but wondered if it was just me? I’ve uninstalled/ reinstalled and rebooted both several times etc..

 

[javataco]

I’m beta testing WOD5 and also (regrettably) WatchOS10 on my Ultra. When I’m in a hiking workout, and long press the screen for options, none of them work? I either have to force quit the app on the watch which loses the workout or assign pause / end to the physical buttons as a work around. This is happening in all workouts. I’ve left beta feedback on TestFlight but wondered if it was just me? I’ve uninstalled/ reinstalled and rebooted both several times etc..

Not just you - seems like everyone currently on WatchOS10 has reported this.

 

[oboe5150]

Not just you - seems like everyone currently on WatchOS10 has reported this.

It’s seems to be a common feature but switching out into another app then back into WOD will bring up the menu you’re after ie to save workouts.

It’s a pain but it works

Ow

 

[leescottdavis]

It’s seems to be a common feature but switching out into another app then back into WOD will bring up the menu you’re after ie to save workouts.

It’s a pain but it works

Ow

Actually just lowering and raising your wrist works too

 

[Akrapovic]

Actually just lowering and raising your wrist works too

Nice find!

 

[oboe5150]

Nice find!

Thanks!!

 

[cfc]

Not just you - seems like everyone currently on WatchOS10 has reported this.

The current version of the beta was not aimed at watchOS 10 because I tend to ignore watchOS betas until the 4th or 5th beta. I have wasted too much time in the past investigating bugs that Apple fix in later betas.

However I have been working on it now that the 4th developer beta is out. I thought I had got it working because it worked on the simulator, but unfortunately it still had problems on an actual device (thanks Apple!). So I am trying to work around that now.

In the meantime any testers using watchOS 10 may want to install the release version of WOD again if the problems are show stoppers for you. To do this simply install it from the App Store, over the beta. Do not delete the beta first or you will lose the data.