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leescottdavis

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Sorry Ian, another one for you. Small though.

I was looking for an activity type. I couldn't find what I wanted, so I scrolled to the bottom and chose 'Other Activities'. Scroll to the bottom of that and select 'Activity Menus' for the toggles. Once on this screen, there is no button to navigate back.

AWU/WOS 10b7/WOD beta5 (36)
 
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Sorry Ian, another one for you. Small though.

I was looking for an activity type. I couldn't find what I wanted, so I scrolled to the bottom and chose 'Other Activities'. Scroll to the bottom of that and select 'Activity Menus' for the toggles. Once on this screen, there is no button to navigate back.

AWU/WOS 10b7/WOD beta5 (36)
Thanks for spotting that. Does it go back if you tap the "Activities" title? If so then I probably just need to change that to "< Activities", but if not then I need to figure out another way.

The app uses a combination of the main screens, which are now written in Apple's new SwiftUI coding language, and the settings screens, which were written in an older language. Unfortunately watchOS 10 doesn't handle this combination correctly in terms of navigating between the different screen types.

As a result I have had to change the way the screen navigation works (in coder-speak I was forced to use modal presentation of screens instead of pushing a screen onto a navigation stack like before). This meant simulating the navigation stack by changing titles to have a "<" character, which I forgot there. So hopefully this is that simple to fix.
 

Chillpascal

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The app doesn't do anything differently based on workout type in terms of the heart rate. Usually the reason it works for some activities and not others is because the sensor struggles more for some activities.

Try tapping the 3 dots and then Open Workout because then you get a big start button and (with the beta) can wait for the HR lock before starting. If you start exercising without waiting then it can make it even harder for the sensor to get a lock whilst your wrist is moving).

The fact that going to Apple's app causes WOD to get a HR reading shows that WOD is correctly reading the HR. Apple's app uses uses infra-red light for one-off readings whereas the watch uses green light for frequent readings during workouts. So the watch gets a reading via infra-red and sends that reading to all apps that have registered an interest in HR, which includes WOD. Also this infra-red reading sometimes helps the sensor to get a lock with the green light.

I seem to have to same issue. Since the updatet beta with AOD-support the watch seem to have lost the heartrate connection during many workouts. I use my Garmin HRM-Pro when running, which works perfectly fine with WOD. But when I'm doing another workout it seems like my AWU has some trouble fixing the heartrate. In many cases it failes to fix my heartrate in the first 10-15 seconds. If that happend, no matter how long the workout is, it will never show my heartrate. Usually when I stop the workout and start another it will immediately get my heartrate.

Any idea?
 

Petter3434

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Hey, I am on IOS17 beta and Watchos 10 beta. Whenever I want to end a workout It does not respond. When i press «END» nothing happens so I have to double tap the digital crown to open the active apps and then re-enter the Workoutdoors app. Then I will get the question «Are you sure that you wish to end the workout». When I press Yes nothing happens so I have to repeat the prosess to get to the summary page. Is this a know problem?
Thanks for spotting that. Does it go back if you tap the "Activities" title? If so then I probably just need to change that to "< Activities", but if not then I need to figure out another way.

The app uses a combination of the main screens, which are now written in Apple's new SwiftUI coding language, and the settings screens, which were written in an older language. Unfortunately watchOS 10 doesn't handle this combination correctly in terms of navigating between the different screen types.

As a result I have had to change the way the screen navigation works (in coder-speak I was forced to use modal presentation of screens instead of pushing a screen onto a navigation stack like before). This meant simulating the navigation stack by changing titles to have a "<" character, which I forgot there. So hopefully this is that simple to fix.
Hey, I am on IOS17 beta and Watchos 10 beta. Whenever I want to end a workout It does not respond. When i press «END» nothing happens so I have to double tap the digital crown to open the active apps and then re-enter the Workoutdoors app. Then I will get the question «Are you sure that you wish to end the workout». When I press Yes nothing happens so I have to repeat the prosess to get to the summary page. Is this a know problem?
 

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I seem to have to same issue. Since the updatet beta with AOD-support the watch seem to have lost the heartrate connection during many workouts. I use my Garmin HRM-Pro when running, which works perfectly fine with WOD. But when I'm doing another workout it seems like my AWU has some trouble fixing the heartrate. In many cases it failes to fix my heartrate in the first 10-15 seconds. If that happend, no matter how long the workout is, it will never show my heartrate. Usually when I stop the workout and start another it will immediately get my heartrate.

Any idea?
I get the odd report of HR problems but that is the same with the release version, and always have been. Some people have problems with the wrist sensor and need to use an external sensor.

The reason it works if you stop the workout and start again is probably because you stop moving. It is much easier for the sensor to get a lock on the HR if you are stationary.

Have you tried using the 3 dots icon and then waiting for an HR reading before starting via the Open Workout screen with a big start button? That is possible with the beta. If that works then you can configure the app to show the start screen every time you tap the menu by enabling Precision Start in the Start Options for that activity.

If that doesn't work then it is best to use the external sensor.
 

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Hey, I am on IOS17 beta and Watchos 10 beta. Whenever I want to end a workout It does not respond. When i press «END» nothing happens so I have to double tap the digital crown to open the active apps and then re-enter the Workoutdoors app. Then I will get the question «Are you sure that you wish to end the workout». When I press Yes nothing happens so I have to repeat the prosess to get to the summary page. Is this a know problem?

Hey, I am on IOS17 beta and Watchos 10 beta. Whenever I want to end a workout It does not respond. When i press «END» nothing happens so I have to double tap the digital crown to open the active apps and then re-enter the Workoutdoors app. Then I will get the question «Are you sure that you wish to end the workout». When I press Yes nothing happens so I have to repeat the prosess to get to the summary page. Is this a know problem?
There are known problems with watchOS 10 beta which will be fixed with a new release of WOD before watchOS 10 is released (in the next two weeks). If you want to try the beta then please email info@workoutdoors.net.
 

Philoustetou

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I get the odd report of HR problems but that is the same with the release version, and always have been. Some people have problems with the wrist sensor and need to use an external sensor.

The reason it works if you stop the workout and start again is probably because you stop moving. It is much easier for the sensor to get a lock on the HR if you are stationary.

Have you tried using the 3 dots icon and then waiting for an HR reading before starting via the Open Workout screen with a big start button? That is possible with the beta. If that works then you can configure the app to show the start screen every time you tap the menu by enabling Precision Start in the Start Options for that activity.

If that doesn't work then it is best to use the external sensor.
Hi from France :)
I hadn't seen it, I had the same problem yesterday, no HR sensor on the wrist during a walking activity.
Philippe
 

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Hi from France :)
I hadn't seen it, I had the same problem yesterday, no HR sensor on the wrist during a walking activity.
Philippe
Please check that you have given the app permission to read and write all the health data. To check this go to the Settings app on the iPhone and select Privacy / Health / WorkOutDoors. Make sure that every health setting is enabled (you may need to scroll down to turn them all on).

If they are all enabled then you may be experiencing a rare bug with iOS/watchOS where the watch seems to lose the permission. To fix this switch all of the permissions off, then reboot both the iPhone and the watch, and then switch them all on again. This procedure nudges iOS into sending them to the watch again.
 

xerxas

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Sorry, this is due to a strange issue with the newest Stryd devices which seem to occasionally publish strange data. I worked around this in the previous version with sanity checks on the data but my workaround wasn't complete and they were still included in the averages. This has now been fixed in the code so it should be ok when the next version is released next month.
Is this fixed in the beta? I know there was an beta update today but last week I was still having this same issue.
 

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Is this fixed in the beta? I know there was an beta update today but last week I was still having this same issue.
As far as I know it was fixed in the code a long time ago. If it is still not working then please email the wkt to info@workoutdoors.net. To do this tap the Export button 3 times quickly.
 
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dmccombs

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My bike computer is out of commission and a replacement is on the way, so I used WOD cycling for the first time. I was surprised at how well it worked out. I paired my S8 watch to my power pedals, then set up some WOD screens to show my power output and cadence. WOD displayed the data well, recorded the ride, and sent it to Strava after the ride. :D

My only issue was that I found it difficult to flip between screens while riding. The roads were bumpy so riding no-handed to switch screens was difficult. I had to lift my hands off the bar to activate the screen, then use my other hand to flip screens. Is there a way to keep my watch hand on the bars, then use the other hand to flip screens?
 

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My bike computer is out of commission and a replacement is on the way, so I used WOD cycling for the first time. I was surprised at how well it worked out. I paired my S8 watch to my power pedals, then set up some WOD screens to show my power output and cadence. WOD displayed the data well, recorded the ride, and sent it to Strava after the ride. :D

My only issue was that I found it difficult to flip between screens while riding. The roads were bumpy so riding no-handed to switch screens was difficult. I had to lift my hands off the bar to activate the screen, then use my other hand to flip screens. Is there a way to keep my watch hand on the bars, then use the other hand to flip screens?
By default swiping left or right changes screens but also tapping the watch 3 times will move to the next screen, so that may help.

Or you could use the shortcuts (Settings / Commands / Shortcuts) to configure a different gesture to show the next screen. Maybe pressing both side buttons at once, or just tapping the screen once.
 

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By default swiping left or right changes screens but also tapping the watch 3 times will move to the next screen, so that may help.

Or you could use the shortcuts (Settings / Commands / Shortcuts) to configure a different gesture to show the next screen. Maybe pressing both side buttons at once, or just tapping the screen once.
Thank you for the reply. Will these things work when the watch is not in raised position (the screen is idle/blank)?
 

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Thank you for the reply. Will these things work when the watch is not in raised position (the screen is idle/blank)?
The buttons should work but tapping may require a tap to wake the watch first before doing the gesture.
 
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Hello, Is the launch of AOD right around the corner? I’m excited to say the least!
Yes, I plan to release it to the App Store sometime this week, barring any last minute showstopper bugs.

Hopefully Apple will approve it and that it will be available before Sept 12th when watchOS 10 will probably be released.

I must admit that I am a bit nervous because it isn't ideal to release a major rewrite of the app so close to the release of a new version of watchOS. Fingers crossed. 🤞
 

Project Speedforce

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Again, outstanding work on WOD and creating a feature packed application! I have questions regarding pairing the Stryd sensor and using on runs/races where others nearby might also have a Stryd sensor. Is the Stryd pairing locked to a serial or unit specific identifier? Is there the possibility of incorrectly pairing to another nearby sensor?

On a separate note, related to Stryd. It has been documented that the newer versions of Stryd with wind sensors, that there is a 2-4% reduction in power when transitioning from outdoor to indoor running. This has been discussed/documented in the Palladino Power Project Facebook Group. The typical work around has been to adjust weight in the Stryd App, but I have found this tends to mess up RE, LSS, and other metrics. I have been using Golden Cheetah and/or the Fitfile tools website to compensate for indoor running power. When you revisit the sensors in a future update, would it be possible to add a X.XX% calibration to power like pace/distance? Specifically for indoor/treadmill runs.
 

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Again, outstanding work on WOD and creating a feature packed application! I have questions regarding pairing the Stryd sensor and using on runs/races where others nearby might also have a Stryd sensor. Is the Stryd pairing locked to a serial or unit specific identifier? Is there the possibility of incorrectly pairing to another nearby sensor?

On a separate note, related to Stryd. It has been documented that the newer versions of Stryd with wind sensors, that there is a 2-4% reduction in power when transitioning from outdoor to indoor running. This has been discussed/documented in the Palladino Power Project Facebook Group. The typical work around has been to adjust weight in the Stryd App, but I have found this tends to mess up RE, LSS, and other metrics. I have been using Golden Cheetah and/or the Fitfile tools website to compensate for indoor running power. When you revisit the sensors in a future update, would it be possible to add a X.XX% calibration to power like pace/distance? Specifically for indoor/treadmill runs.
The watchOS Bluetooth system maintains a unique identifier for each device that it is paired with. However apparently this identifier can disappear if the watch is rebooted. In that situation the app looks for a device with the name that it was paired with.

However Stryd devices do not have a unique serial number included in the name (unlike every other sensor) so there is the theoretical chance of connecting to the wrong sensor. To avoid this it is best to pair with Stryd on the day of a race to be sure that watchOS has the unique identifier for the footpod.

However the app has supported Stryd for many years and I can't remember anyone reporting this issue, so it may be more of a theoretical issue than a real world issue. Maybe watchOS always preserves the connection even after rebooting.

In terms of calibrating power, that is on my to-do list but rarely requested so very low down. Sorry about that. I will probably implement it when I next revisit the sensor functionality, but that is unlikely to be for a while.
 

Mitch8

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With running, which is what you mentioned before, the pedometer is best for current pace. For distance it's up to you whether to choose GPS or Apple. GPS requires a good signal and Apple requires good calibration. When they were very different like you saw last month then calibration is probably required.

For cycling, which is in your screenshot this time, it normally doesn't matter what you use for distance. This is because I think Apple must use the GPS for their distances, because I don't think there is an alternative. However the app uses Apple by default in case they do anything clever with accelerometers.
Now i saw, that Apple Health doesn‘t count the distance & speed from WOD when cycling. Running and Komoot ist okay. In cycling-profil was „gps“ selected. But why it do not show distance & avg speed ?? All other data are there, also map with gps position, high.

In WOD are all datas (pace,elevation,avg speed …)

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Please check that you have given the app permission to read and write all the health data. To check this go to the Settings app on the iPhone and select Privacy / Health / WorkOutDoors. Make sure that every health setting is enabled (you may need to scroll down to turn them all on). Note that if you have installed on a new iPhone then you may need to give permission again.

If they are all enabled then you may be experiencing a rare bug with iOS/watchOS where the watch seems to lose the permission. To fix this switch all of the permissions off, then reboot both the iPhone and the watch, and then switch them all on again. This procedure nudges iOS into sending them to the watch again.
 

unis_89

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Hi! First of all, thanks for all the support and the great app that you created for us. I really appreciate your amazing job.
I have 2 questions, for future updates, if you are considering or maybe an idea to add.
Are you going to include Trail running in sports category, as part of different type of running activity?
Is it possible to add, a feature that I saw in Suunto watches, that you can add a route, and in the watch you can see the profile of the route, and see in which point of the route you are exactly? That would be helpful because you can see when is the point of the race that you would be going up, or down.
Something like in the picture:

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I know that for now, you can see the profile of the route, but only when you run through, not the same.

Sorry if I didn't explain too well. Thanks a lot!!
 
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